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[Flavor Leaf]

Wait....

DGB/A50....?

[DrippingGoofball]

If scum!VP is trying to get townpoints for saying what needs to be said, it's working

Talk to me about Scum!VP because he's one of my strongest TRs. (The very fact that I'm engaging you despote having you in my PoE shows how little confidence I have in my own reads on D1. I don't think the game is THAT easy, so you have every chance to change my mind if you can convince me)

I would say that VP and A50 aren't scum together, because that's some heavy whiteknighting right here.

[Flavor Leaf]

The DGB/DKK connection that wins by tying me to them, check

Benefits from A50 bussing DGB here to successfully take me down Day 6, check

Doesn’t kill me in any scenario beyond fear for A50.

[DrippingGoofball]

Jackson, Taylor, DGB probably have scum, maybe multiple in them. I don't really think DGB/Taylor are partners.

Jackson, Taylor, Not Mafia could be the team.

I low-key TR FL now (and for a weird reason I assure you).

Scum!FL knows what he's doing and his thoughts are traditionally well-organized. He may try to produce as much noise as possible to confuse everyone, but he does say "Jackson, Taylor, Not Mafia could be the team" while his vote is on DGB!!!

Good observation.

[Flavor Leaf]

The fact that it seems to be a harder time for some of us than others makes me think it could be Not Mafia-A50

[Flavor Leaf]

Jackson, Taylor, DGB probably have scum, maybe multiple in them. I don't really think DGB/Taylor are partners.

Jackson, Taylor, Not Mafia could be the team.

I low-key TR FL now (and for a weird reason I assure you).

Scum!FL knows what he's doing and his thoughts are traditionally well-organized. He may try to produce as much noise as possible to confuse everyone, but he does say "Jackson, Taylor, Not Mafia could be the team" while his vote is on DGB!!!

Good observation.

Could be TMI

[DrippingGoofball]

Targeting A50

I wish you didn't yield, but I aslo wish you hadn't claimed in the first place.

Now let me lay down my "moon!logic": MM has done nothing short of outright claiming Watcher. I am reluctant to accept it at face value, so I developed the theory he is Scum who wanted to know your target to evaluate whether killing you tonight is best or if shooting elsewhere was better. (And now that I said that allowed they may just shoot you anyway).

The thing is it didn't make sense to me for the Watcher to out AND demand knowing the target of the Detective in advance, when Detective doesn't even give clears (only solid guilties can be counted on). Hypothetically speaking, if all of Infinity/MM/A50 are alive tomorrow NONE of them is confirmed anything. MM confirming Infinity did visit me does NOT confirm MM's role or alignment. Infinity claiming I didn't kill does NOT confirm me as Town. Infinity's claim does NOT need outside confirmation (and if I was Scum I could have used this mess to win the game already, but I won't explain how now)

I also hinted I think there are way too many PR claims/crumbs. I stand by that, and will reassert the one that does convince me the most is Infinity's. Anyone else could or could not be a TPR (or a PR at all).

I am iso'ing A50 in order to mine scum tells
... but instead I am finding a lot of good stuff.

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, i told you I town read him early in the game.

[DrippingGoofball]

FL what do you mean by TMI?

[Flavor Leaf]

Like the tell when scum is telling the truth about why they town read someone, but they only know it because they are scum and know that player is town

[Flavor Leaf]

He might only have been able to read me like that if he was scum, and made a good post because he saw exactly what was happening because he didn’t have to wonder if i was town or not, that’s why it can sound really good.

However A50 can read me, and he has caught me out as scum too, he made the push that caught me in Team Mafia. I slipped, but I would have talked myself through it if A50 didn’t push me like he did there.

[VP Baltar]

Part of me feels like we don't yeet FL today and give him a chance to prove his claim.

Which by default would probably mean I'd want NM today. I have a hard time seeing this much town power being true. There are so many claimed ways to confirm town. It feels OP.

I don't have a strong scum read on NM, outside of him consistently feeding the VP vs Taylor/infinity dynamic.

[VP Baltar]

I'm gonna take the night off the game and do some thinking.

[DrippingGoofball]

Part of me feels like we don't yeet FL today and give him a chance to prove his claim.

That should not be the reason. In this small pool of players, and coming down to the wire, chances are too high he will target (1) the NK or (2) the scum - intentionally if he is scum, unintentionally if he is town.

[DrippingGoofball]

The only two living PRs are N_M and FL.

[Flavor Leaf]

At this point, don’t not fade me for the chance, I guess.

You gotta just read me as town.

[Flavor Leaf]

PR’s don’t matter here, with 2 unflipped scum, there is a chance both slots are town if scum have a strong role, which would make sense. Usually i go 1 strong role, 1 weak role, 1 goon, mail man is the weak role, they have the strong role and the goon, even if Not Mafia is scum. The power of that last PR would differentiate the amount of PR’s, though, but it’s probably Not Mafia if they are scum that is the PR.

[DrippingGoofball]

There's a case to be made for everyone being town.

I was hoping to avoid this but it looks like I might have to wade into DkKoba's iso. Wish me luck.

[VP Baltar]

I was hoping to avoid this but it looks like I might have to wade into DkKoba's iso. Wish me luck.

DGB might be town here

[Flavor Leaf]

Yeah, I’ve been down that rabbit hole, VP. I don’t know where i am on it anymore, and am kind of just enjoying the slide now

[VP Baltar]

I am just drinking beer now, but damn, I'm enjoying this game and your play even if you're fooling on me FL.

[VP Baltar]

Which is terrible! Never vote based on who you like! That's a trap I exploit all the time.

[DrippingGoofball]

It would be an extremely rare occurrence if FL and VP were town on the combined geraint and Gamma wagons, especially with Koba coyly abstaining.

geraintm

: 4 (VP Baltar,

Marky Mark

,

DrippingGoofball

,

Andresvmb

)

Gamma Emerald

: 3 (

JacksonVirgo

, Flavor Leaf,

Infinity 324

)

Andresvmb

: 1 (

Gamma Emerald

)

DkKoba

: 1 (

Tayl0r Swift

)

Infinity 324

: 1 (

geraintm

)

JacksonVirgo

: 1 (

DkKoba

)
Not Voting: 4 (Not_Mafia, Almost50)

These wagons are too small to draw conclusions.

Flavor Leaf: 3 (

Gamma Emerald

,

Infinity 324

, VP Baltar)

JacksonVirgo

: 2 (

Tayl0r Swift

,

Andresvmb

)

geraintm

: 1 (

DrippingGoofball

)

Gamma Emerald

: 1 (Flavor Leaf)

DrippingGoofball

: 1 (

Marky Mark

)

Infinity 324

: 1 (

geraintm

)
Not_Mafia: 1 (Not_Mafia)

DkKoba

: 1 (

JacksonVirgo

)
Andrewsvmb: 1 (

DkKoba

)
Not Voting: 1 (Almost50)

These wagons are too small to draw conclusions.

Flavor Leaf: 3 (

Infinity 324

, VP Baltar,

DrippingGoofball

)
Not_Mafia: 2 (Not_Mafia,

Gamma Emerald

)

JacksonVirgo

: 2 (Flavor Leaf,

Tayl0r Swift

)

geraintm

: 1 (

DkKoba

)

DrippingGoofball

: 1 (

Marky Mark

)

Infinity 324

: 1 (

geraintm

)

DkKoba

: 1 (

JacksonVirgo

)
Not Voting: 2 (Almost50,

Andresvmb

)

There may be some bus'ing of Koba here. What concerns me is another Koba wagon that happens later, where these same two players abstain from voting them.

DkKoba

: 5 (

JacksonVirgo

, Not_Mafia, Flavor Leaf,

Marky Mark

,

Tayl0r Swift

)

Infinity 324

: 3 (

Andresvmb

,

geraintm

,

DkKoba

)

geraintm

: 3 (

Gamma Emerald

,

DrippingGoofball

, VP Baltar)

Gamma Emerald

: 1 (

Infinity 324

)
Not Voting: 1 (Almost50)

I would expect mucho scummo in VP Baltar and Almost50.

geraintm

: 7 (ELIMINATED)
(

Gamma Emerald

,

DrippingGoofball

, VP Baltar,

Infinity 324

,

Tayl0r Swift

, Almost50,

Marky Mark

)

Infinity 324

: 3 (

Andresvmb

,

geraintm

,

DkKoba

)

DkKoba

: 2 (

JacksonVirgo

, Not_Mafia)
Not Voting: 1 (Flavor Leaf)

=======================
See? Flavor Leaf and Not_Mafia are not on the Koba wagon this time...

DkKoba

: 3 (

Tayl0r Swift

,

JacksonVirgo

,

Infinity 324

)

Infinity 324

: 2 (Not_Mafia,

DkKoba

)

DrippingGoofball

: 2 (Flavor Leaf,

Marky Mark

)

Tayl0r Swift

: 1 (

DrippingGoofball

)
Not Voting: 3 (

Andresvmb

, VP Baltar, Almost50)

Wagons too small.

VP Baltar: 3 (

Tayl0r Swift

, Not_Mafia,

Infinity 324

)

DrippingGoofball

: 2 (Flavor Leaf,

Marky Mark

)

Tayl0r Swift

: 2 (

DrippingGoofball

, VP Baltar)

Infinity 324

: 1 (

DkKoba

)
Not Voting: 3 (

Andresvmb

, Almost50,

JacksonVirgo

)

Taly0r was an easy wagon for scum to push if they set their minds to it.

Tayl0r Swift

: 6 (Eliminated) (

JacksonVirgo

, Flavor Leaf,

DkKoba

,

Marky Mark

, VP Baltar,

Andresvmb

)
VP Baltar: 4 (

Infinity 324

, Not_Mafia, Almost50,

Tayl0r Swift

)
Not Voting: 1 (

DrippingGoofball

)

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VP looks pretty good here, I recall he tried to stop the Marky Mark wagon. As scum he didn't have to say a thing. I have to give him a lot of credit for that.

Marky Mark

: 5 (ELIMINATED) (

Andresvmb

, Not_Mafia, Flavor Leaf,

DkKoba

,

DrippingGoofball

)

DkKoba

: 3 (

JacksonVirgo

,

Marky Mark

, VP Baltar)
Not Voting: 1 (Almost50)

========================
Too few flipped players on this flashwagon.

DkKoba

: 6 (ELIMINATED) (Almost50, Not_Mafia, Flavor Leaf,

DkKoba

,

JacksonVirgo

, VP Baltar)
Not Voting: 1 (

DrippingGoofball

)

[DrippingGoofball]

i think im comfortable outting a little flash reads chart based on entrance tone:

towny:

andres, taylor

, ndmath/(now Flavor Leaf)

null: anyone not listed in above or below

scummy(god pls someone do something to let me narrow this down more):

goofball, shellyc (now Gamma Emerald), infinity

, zdenek(now Almost50)

[DrippingGoofball]

town:

andres mark gamma jackson(but bad) DBG

troll town: not_mafia
null(not sure):

gerain

, vp baltar, FL, zdenek (now Almost50)
scum:

infinity taylor