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[TheGoldenParadox]

Vote Count 1.3

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Rannygazoo

(4): Titus, NoPowerOverMe, Alchemist21, superbowl9 |

L-3

Titus

(2): Battle Mage, Non lmh

superbowl9

(2): Rannygazoo, Andresvmb

benhalkum

(1): OutWorldER

Not Voting

(4): wiyvern, Flavor Leaf, hessian, benhalkum

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-12-03 17:23:44).

Mod notes:

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hessian is V/LA until Sunday.

[Alchemist21]

I think Titus is town. But I am rarely listened to day 1.

I agree. The strongest impression I get out of these starting pages is that Titus is Town.

what other impressions did you get

That Battle Mage is a technical player focused on theory. That’s not a read on their alignment, but it’s good to understand the personality of someone you’re trying to read.

[Alchemist21]

Nah i legitimately just forgot, i still don’t even really remember it to be completely honest, last two games with titus she was a weird 3P half-town thing and we teamed up and iirc she was town in some other game? Idk I don’t keep track of games that hard because i don’t value meta that much

1st hand meta from several games’ experience is actually pretty useful and it’s why I’m seeing Titus as Town here.

[Battle Mage]

I think Titus is town. But I am rarely listened to day 1.

I agree. The strongest impression I get out of these starting pages is that Titus is Town.

what other impressions did you get

That Battle Mage is a technical player focused on theory. That’s not a read on their alignment, but it’s good to understand the personality of someone you’re trying to read.

I'm genuinely flattered.

[Battle Mage]

Should be working, so I might not catch up properly tonight, but I have read and I think it's NPOM.

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

I don't think I dislike any of the wagons currently though.

[Battle Mage]

The amount of people townreading Titus would ordinarily make me think she is slightly more likely to be town, given high-profile scum tend to have a low level of heat as their partners distance from them. and it's normally fair to assume a proportion of those early game premature townreads is just scum buddying town.

However, I imagine Titus-scum would have been pretty zero-tolerance on her teammates undermining her in any way, so maybe not true here.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Why am I scum?

[Titus]

The amount of people townreading Titus would ordinarily make me think she is slightly more likely to be town, given high-profile scum tend to have a low level of heat as their partners distance from them. and it's normally fair to assume a proportion of those early game premature townreads is just scum buddying town.

However, I imagine Titus-scum would have been pretty zero-tolerance on her teammates undermining her in any way, so maybe not true here.

Let's suppose I am just any other player. Who do you think is buddying me? What standard do you use? Would it change based on if I was right or wrong on Ranny?

[Titus]

I think Titus is town. But I am rarely listened to day 1.

I agree. The strongest impression I get out of these starting pages is that Titus is Town.

what other impressions did you get

That Battle Mage is a technical player focused on theory. That’s not a read on their alignment, but it’s good to understand the personality of someone you’re trying to read.

That would explain why BM started discussing RVS theory. It says nothing about his alignment though.

[OutWorldER]

UNVOTE:

I thought 59 and 87 were scummy at first but I reread and I can actually see the viewpoint now, it just took me a minute.

i have a couple places I'd want to go for votes but first:

@ranny

why are you pushing up superbowl and ignoring NPOM completely? I'd argue NPOM's posting is even more devoid of content than superbowl?

@alchemist

you stated impressions on BM and Titus, what's your impression on ranny, the guy you're currently voting?

[benhalkum]

yoVOTE: titusdidn't get the nk thing

I think Titus is town. But I am rarely listened to day 1.

I agree. The strongest impression I get out of these starting pages is that Titus is Town.

what other impressions did you get

It bothers me these are the only two post from them.

BM and I went into detail with Titus yesterday on the "NK thing" but a lot of the other players are town reading her. However, you simply gloss over that and just say it bothered you.

Why?

I know why it bothered BM and I. But this seems SUS as hell to me.

[benhalkum]

UNVOTE:

I thought 59 and 87 were scummy at first but I reread and I can actually see the viewpoint now, it just took me a minute.

i have a couple places I'd want to go for votes but first:

@ranny

why are you pushing up superbowl and ignoring NPOM completely? I'd argue NPOM's posting is even more devoid of content than superbowl?

@alchemist

you stated impressions on BM and Titus, what's your impression on ranny, the guy you're currently voting?

Yes, but you voted for me in 10, as I believe, a random vote. (Although second or third in a random bandwagon).

So... you vote for me randomly, which is fine. But your justification for unvoting for me now, points back at much later post you believed were scummy but now aren't? All the while, you're pointing at someone else, Ranny, who currently has a bandwagon going on them.

Feels a bit off to me.

[Rannygazoo]

Let's suppose I am just any other player. Who do you think is buddying me? What standard do you use? Would it change based on if I was right or wrong on Ranny?

Since we’re doing hypotheticals, I’ve got one for you: you say your current play is because you’re frustrated with getting night killed with a different play style. How do you think scum!titus would be playing, that’s different from what you’re doing now?

[hessian]

Hi, just now starting to read this thread. By the way, I'll be

V/LA Wednesday - Sunday

due to Thanksgiving.

[Rannygazoo]

@ranny why are you pushing up superbowl and ignoring NPOM completely? I'd argue NPOM's posting is even more devoid of content than superbowl?

Interesting that you lump those two together. For me, it’s alchemist and superbowl9 who are most similar. But alchemist is just null to me. They’re not contributing, but they’re not contributing first. Then superbowl9 sees that they can get away with a content-free playstyle and follows suit.

My last game was with NPOM, and I pushed him there, and it was a useless experience. I’m watching him, and I have my own things to look for.

[OutWorldER]

UNVOTE:

I thought 59 and 87 were scummy at first but I reread and I can actually see the viewpoint now, it just took me a minute.

i have a couple places I'd want to go for votes but first:

@ranny

why are you pushing up superbowl and ignoring NPOM completely? I'd argue NPOM's posting is even more devoid of content than superbowl?

@alchemist

you stated impressions on BM and Titus, what's your impression on ranny, the guy you're currently voting?

Yes, but you voted for me in 10, as I believe, a random vote. (Although second or third in a random bandwagon).

So... you vote for me randomly, which is fine. But your justification for unvoting for me now, points back at much later post you believed were scummy but now aren't? All the while, you're pointing at someone else, Ranny, who currently has a bandwagon going on them.

Feels a bit off to me.

I voted for you in 10 to get a wagon going which was then justified by your reaction (which I standby was a bad reaction), afterwards I took a break for a bit, read back through the thread, and now we're here.

And I'm not pointing at Ranny? I want to engage him and Alch first before deciding anything.

[Titus]

Let's suppose I am just any other player. Who do you think is buddying me? What standard do you use? Would it change based on if I was right or wrong on Ranny?

Since we’re doing hypotheticals, I’ve got one for you: you say your current play is because you’re frustrated with getting night killed with a different play style. How do you think scum!titus would be playing, that’s different from what you’re doing now?

Scum!Titus is more protective in her aggression, when she is agressive at all. Scum!Titus prefers to kill with kindness, since kind people, usually, get more credibility day one.

[Titus]

@ranny why are you pushing up superbowl and ignoring NPOM completely? I'd argue NPOM's posting is even more devoid of content than superbowl?

Interesting that you lump those two together. For me, it’s alchemist and superbowl9 who are most similar. But alchemist is just null to me. They’re not contributing, but they’re not contributing first. Then superbowl9 sees that they can get away with a content-free playstyle and follows suit.

My last game was with NPOM, and I pushed him there, and it was a useless experience. I’m watching him, and I have my own things to look for.

This is just wrong. At a minimum, all three players expressed town reads on me which is content.

Do you have any certain reads?

[Rannygazoo]

Acting more certain than I am isn’t really my style

[hessian]

It's late for me, and I've only managed to skim the thread. I imagine it'll take me some time to adjust to the frequency/ style of posting here; this is a completely different vibe than my previous game.

For now I'll VOTE: Titus. The justification that "being brash makes mafia hesitant to NK" doesn't sound correct to me at all. If anything, I imagine mafia would NK a loud player to implicate other town players.

[Rannygazoo]

this is a completely different vibe than my previous game.

I haven’t been in many games so I’d like to hear more about this. Maybe postgame if you think it’s irrelevant

[Rannygazoo]

Scum!Titus is more protective in her aggression, when she is agressive at all. Scum!Titus prefers to kill with kindness, since kind people, usually, get more credibility day one.

I see. It’s moot because town!titus acts differently too. I guess that means you’re neutral.

I’m still with Ben on this one. Playing hard and fast does help form wagons, but if it gets results for town, won’t you then be a target? Playing in a way to intentionally avoid night kills could just be scum trying to have an excuse for surviving at night.

[Alchemist21]

UNVOTE:

I thought 59 and 87 were scummy at first but I reread and I can actually see the viewpoint now, it just took me a minute.

i have a couple places I'd want to go for votes but first:

@ranny

why are you pushing up superbowl and ignoring NPOM completely? I'd argue NPOM's posting is even more devoid of content than superbowl?

@alchemist

you stated impressions on BM and Titus, what's your impression on ranny, the guy you're currently voting?

It’s actually null. I voted there for a joke but I don’t see a reason to move my vote yet.

[superbowl9]

Can yall use [post] tags when you put a post number?

[Alchemist21]

My take on Titus’ mood here is that she would have been using it to push a specific slot if she were scum, rather than entering with a general annoyance not aimed at anyone in particular as she did here.