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VP Baltar · Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:15 am

In post 4689, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 4687, VP Baltar wrote:Hey DGB, what was up with that hammer yesterday when it was clear mark was town in "twilight"
It sure wasn't clear to me...

See it from my perspective, I am town and MM was tunneling on me all game, everything I posted was scummy, even my town tells were scummy. It was difficult for me to see it as coming from a townie who is honestly trying to solve the game. The obstinacy reeked of scum trying super hard to have consistent reads.

Who are the scums now?

VP Baltar · Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:47 am

In post 4694, DrippingGoofball wrote:that

Cannot target a person on back to back nights. Doctors and also sees if someone visits his target.

So allegedly a protective investigative.

VP Baltar · Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:57 am

In post 4695, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 4693, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4689, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 4687, VP Baltar wrote:Hey DGB, what was up with that hammer yesterday when it was clear mark was town in "twilight"
It sure wasn't clear to me...

See it from my perspective, I am town and MM was tunneling on me all game, everything I posted was scummy, even my town tells were scummy. It was difficult for me to see it as coming from a townie who is honestly trying to solve the game. The obstinacy reeked of scum trying super hard to have consistent reads.
Who are the scums now?
I have no idea right now.

Who are the town's right now?

VP Baltar · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:28 am

In post 4379, Not_Mafia wrote:DGB N1
You N2

Neither were visited by anyone else

VP Baltar · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:29 am

You = Flavor Leaf

VP Baltar · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:29 am

In post 4403, Not_Mafia wrote:VP/Marky/Andres

Haha, check out this scum list from yesterday

VP Baltar · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:46 am

In post 4707, DrippingGoofball wrote:Yesterday, it was all about Koba vs. Mark with one of them needing to be scum.

I forget why, probably because I never quite got it.

What?

I mean, you're not reading the game right? If you're town, I need you to tune in a little bit here.

VP Baltar · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:47 am

In post 4703, DrippingGoofball wrote:VP, who do you think is scum?

I think the likely solve is Koba/FL/(DGB or NM)

VP Baltar · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:49 am

In post 4708, DrippingGoofball wrote:NM's role is super powerful.

How does that even exist? With a Friendly Neighbor?

How does either exist with a Detective, Role Watcher and Universal Back up?

There is obviously at least some scum in the claimed power so far

VP Baltar · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:50 am

In post 4711, DkKoba wrote:I agree me FL dgb and nm are towncore

I appreciate the disinfo campaign, but no one is even going to pay attention to what you're saying at all, so it's just thread spam that is wasting your time

VP Baltar · Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:58 am

How mad is Andres going to be at you lol

VP Baltar · Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:44 am

In post 4722, DrippingGoofball wrote:I feel that DkKoba is trolling, cornered scum. I am regretting my earlier town reads.

Koba is already caught and dead. Mark and Koba were in a 1v1 yesterday due to counter claims. I'm pretty sure you knew this already. Since mark flipped town with your hammer, we know 100% Koba is scum.

This seems like an act from you

VP Baltar · Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:48 pm

I don't feel like you're trying to solve today FL, just worrying about not getting yeeted

VP Baltar · Sat Nov 21, 2020 12:57 pm

In post 4747, Almost50 wrote:What the freak is this thread??

Hit me with as many thoughts as you can before the thread gets locked

VP Baltar · Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:00 pm

In post 4750, Flavor Leaf wrote:@VP - what else am I supposed to do here?

What good is it to try and solve here if you lot ain’t gonna listen. I’ve explained what my read is on every single player in this game between yesterday and today.

If i am faded, town lose. That is equally as important to this game as finding scum. Getting correctly town read is quite possibly more important to the majority of players in games rather than straight solving the game. Only so many people can have the correct read at the right time with the momentum to lead a wagon.

I'm just saying, the way I'm going to feel better about you is seeing you work through what the logical solution is here.

Saying, "I'm town" is useless.

There are a million reasons you and NM should both be dead last night, and yet here you are. Of course it is suspicious

VP Baltar · Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:37 pm

VOTE: Koba

VP Baltar · Sat Nov 21, 2020 2:44 pm

How many pages do you still need to read DGB?

VP Baltar · Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:05 pm

In post 4783, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 4780, VP Baltar wrote:How many pages do you still need to read DGB?
I just needed a summary of claims and actions, I have lost track. Not that it matters anymore tenor togameday.

Claims:

FL - Odd night Friendly Neighbor

N1 - confirmed to scum Koba
N3 - attempted to confirm to Jackson, who didn't get the message

Jackson - universal back up

N2- became detective after Infinity NK
N3 - didn't check anyone because Koba scum was caught?

Not Mafia - Indecisive Voyeur Doc

N1 - DGB
N2- FL
N3 - Jackson

Vp - unclaimed

A50 - unclaimed

VP Baltar · Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:09 pm

In post 4793, DrippingGoofball wrote:JV didn't check anyone N3???

I am going off memory, but I think that's what they said?

The reasoning was that Koba had been doing the kills obv and therefore no check.

Definitely weird if I'm remembering correctly

VP Baltar · Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:16 pm

In post 4796, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 4794, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 4793, DrippingGoofball wrote:JV didn't check anyone N3???
I am going off memory, but I think that's what they said?

The reasoning was that Koba had been doing the kills obv and therefore no check.

Definitely weird if I'm remembering correctly
Still could have checked Koba!?!

It would have been pointless tbf.

Koba was already caught when you hammered mark yesterday

VP Baltar · Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:30 pm

In post 4801, DrippingGoofball wrote:Someone else could have been making the kills? He could have gotten a guilty on koba, then he would have known who made the kills?

That is

If the claim is even true.

I could be misremembering too. They should speak for themselves or I can go find the post later when I'm not on my phone

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:18 am

You may as well send a postcard saying who the scum are here.

Ready to hear from A50 and DGB in full.

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:19 am

And Not_Mafia with his "results".

Basically, I need to know who I can townblock with here and wrap this puppy up.

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:24 am

In post 4808, Not_Mafia wrote:A50, no one else targetted him

Why target A50?

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:24 am

In post 4809, Not_Mafia wrote:Can't wait to hear about Flavour Leaf's 'friendly neighbour'

Whatchu mean?

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:35 am

In post 4813, Flavor Leaf wrote:Personally, I’m starting to think it’s VP-Not Mafia, but DGB could be flipping it on me.

You are either drunk or scum if you think I'm scum here.

I'm willing to hear you out today, but making trash arguments is not going to make me believe you're being set up here.

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:37 am

In post 4814, Flavor Leaf wrote:After the day was ending yesterday, VP wa slushing like Jackson didn’t target that night.

Jackson specifically stated they targeted me

You mean when I stated I was going from memory and could be wrong? You mean the same Jackson I said was townblock from the start of the day?

That one?

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:39 am

In post 4817, Flavor Leaf wrote:No, I have a legit reason since you “forgot” Jackson’s action.

I'm expected to recite every night action and target from memory without flaw? gtfo here.

I literally said I had to check and I stopped DGB from going off about it because I was not sure if I was correct

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:43 am

Lol and the confirmed town isn't dead. Cool story

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:45 am

But you're right, I tried to stop the wagon on the role watcher to yeet my buddy Koba. Makes perfect sense.

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:45 am

In post 4824, Flavor Leaf wrote:Who is confirmed town?

You allegedly.

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:53 am

In post 4830, Flavor Leaf wrote:You acting like it doesn’t make sense is scummy.

I fully expect scum to come after me because I biffed Taylor.

It's not scummy at all for me to call that shit immediately. You're trying to make me being helpful into "scummy" behavior because I couldn't remember Jackson's action. I'm not going to say 'oh boy, good point!' that's stupid tinfoil garbage.

If you are town here, I'd expect you to see my reversal on Koba as very clear town play and help me identify a scum so we can keep you alive to confirm being FN.

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:54 am

In post 4832, Flavor Leaf wrote:Rolewatcher/Voyeur don’t both exist for town, just saying, VP.

There's clearly too much power claimed. And yeah, I can dig that point.

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:02 am

In post 4835, Flavor Leaf wrote:Thing is, logic wise, it made sense to go Marky Mark. And that happened after Not Mafia came in and claimed.

I agreed that Mark made sense logic wise. I had already stated that.

Thing is, once we were in "twilight" it was clear that Mark was telling the truth. That is when I tried to reverse the tide. There would be no scum motivation to do that when I had already said things indicating I was willing to vote for Mark.

I know you can say everything is WIFOM here, but I find that more than a stretch of logic. It makes no sense.

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:20 am

In post 4844, Flavor Leaf wrote:In fact, i have no clue where you stand in regard to all 4 of us,

The watcher voyeur point you made is notable.

I also think DGB's hammer to stop my progress saving Mark is scummy af.

I have been towning you but you have to admit it looks like a series of suspicious circumstances around your role.

A50 is probably town given there is a preponderance of evidence elsewhere, but he has been not involved with the game and it is hard to tell.

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:55 am

In post 4850, Almost50 wrote:What exactly do you want to hear from me?

You haven't really weighed in on serious events for two day phases. I'd like to hear general game state thoughts from you. Why are you scum reading DGB/fl?

Do you have any town reads?

Any thoughts on our strategy here?

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:22 am

In post 4857, Almost50 wrote:They're both too good to elim the Cop over the guilty. They BOTH were on that wagon.

What do you think of FL's point that town probably doesn't have a role watcher AND a voyeur?

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:28 am

In post 4856, Almost50 wrote:become much more useful towards the end of the game.

We are in perpetual Xylo. This as late as the game gets.

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:33 am

In post 4862, Almost50 wrote:I think we all agree DGB is the correct elim for today. We are debating who the second one is (and let's not forget one IS the second one, so don't disregard distancing)

I'm not opposed to this position

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:34 am

We should probably mass claim as well today to lock people in? I think just A50 and I are left

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:39 am

In post 4863, DrippingGoofball wrote:We are five.

I am town.

Randomly I have a 50:50 chance of hitting scum today.

Who is scum?

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:39 am

VT as well. Just checking!

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:45 am

In post 4931, Not_Mafia wrote:In the game the above post is quoted from (VP and A50 were both in that game too and can attest to this) I called a scum fake claim because the player was obvscum, everyone went on about how it didn't make sense for scum to fakeclaim that role and my post above was ridiculous. Guess what? The player was scum, logic is overrated, it's a social game.

I was not in this game.

FL getting frantic about me is weird.

A50, you're the person I guess I most confidently town read here. Can I get your thoughts on what FL is saying here? I know I'm not scum, so I obviously find it scummy to say I'm always scum here. But maybe I'm just being reactionary

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 11:46 am

In post 4947, Flavor Leaf wrote:I wanna talk to VP again before anything is decided.

I'm here, just at work, so I'll pop in and out as I can.

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:27 pm

In post 4953, Not_Mafia wrote:In my defence, he's also a man

Tough but fair

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:31 pm

In post 4947, Flavor Leaf wrote:I wanna talk to VP again before anything is decided.

You there?

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:43 pm

In post 4950, Almost50 wrote:I mean, he says N_M\s role doesn't go with the flipped Voyeur and soon after calls me scum with VP. He admits DGB is heavily tied with DkK but wants to eliminate VP today. This is FL flailing hard, and it's desperate FL if I've ever seen him getting desperate. He would not be as desperate if the DGB elimination wasn't the correct one. Not just because she is his scum buddy, but because she is the "mysterious role" they were hoping to endgame.

It occured to me just now how absurd a VP-DGB or VP-A50 combo is here.

That would be FL suggesting town has ALL that power? I can't imagine a setup where that is remotely balanced.

The logic would be that at least one of FL/NM are scum here. At least, that would be my own mindset if I was town in FL's position.

I wish I had more experience with FL.

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:24 pm

In post 4959, DrippingGoofball wrote:Not only is there no evidence of a roleblock beyond FL's word, but there's no evidence of any phantasmagorical scum role.

This is a solid point. We haven't had a lot of people claim results, but scum knew Mark was a PR since D2 at least, yet didn't block him.

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:26 pm

Plus if they had a RB, why wouldn't they RB Jackson last night and kill FN?

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:20 pm

FL, I truly do want to figure out if you're town here. You see what I'm saying about how weird it is you're saying all the claimed PRs are town though, right?

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:21 pm

In post 4984, DrippingGoofball wrote:I am at that point where I make points and then immediately make the counterpoint LOL

Haha, this is absolutely me in endgame....gahhhhh

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:24 pm

In post 4986, Flavor Leaf wrote:I think it’s VP because I think he’s a strong enough player to have orchestrated this. That’s essentially why I think I’m leaning you, VP.

I mean, I appreciate the compliment, but I've never pulled a gambit like that. As scum I'm just better at managing the social game. Mechanics and role trickery are not my strong suit

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 2:28 pm

If Andres was still around, I fully believe he would have voted already. I wish I had the guts for that

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:05 pm

Part of me feels like we don't yeet FL today and give him a chance to prove his claim.

Which by default would probably mean I'd want NM today. I have a hard time seeing this much town power being true. There are so many claimed ways to confirm town. It feels OP.

I don't have a strong scum read on NM, outside of him consistently feeding the VP vs Taylor/infinity dynamic.

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:07 pm

I'm gonna take the night off the game and do some thinking.

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:37 pm

In post 5017, DrippingGoofball wrote:I was hoping to avoid this but it looks like I might have to wade into DkKoba's iso. Wish me luck.

DGB might be town here

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:45 pm

I am just drinking beer now, but damn, I'm enjoying this game and your play even if you're fooling on me FL.

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 3:46 pm

Which is terrible! Never vote based on who you like! That's a trap I exploit all the time.

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:52 pm

DGB is town I think for sure. Wagon analysis is genuine.

Who do you want to yeet today DGB?

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:57 pm

The biggest prob with VCA in this game is the inconsistent VCs. Lots happened between each VC.

The reason I like DGB here is she is being open in her analysis. It's about intentions.

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:04 pm

Wow bold move

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:05 pm

So ok, leave the vote FL. Seems like it has to be NM or FL today.

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:21 pm

I'm here and still not voting. I'm going to bed though.

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:22 pm

Like, it is very possible there are three town here sniping.

VP Baltar · Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:25 pm

In post 5109, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don’t think it matters which of them is faded, tbh

I'm gonna go to bed and I'll probably vote tomorrow. I'll see if they respond with anything noteworthy.

Pedit - fl+DGB is still possible, but I think increasingly unlikely

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:28 am

Oh dammit. For some reason I thought you had left your vote on Not Mafia overnight FL. That would have been enough time without a hammer to be confident.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:50 am

In post 5124, Almost50 wrote:- DGB faked a result on Infinity that directly lead to him outright claiming preemptively

Gah, I had totally forgotten this. This is a really good point. Odds would be low that she randomly guessed infinity had a night action.

Plus the quick hammer to end mark. Those are two strong points for DGB scum in this scenario.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 5:56 am

This is the big problem with FL and DGB. They are both good players and yet had a series of bungles throughout the game that I have to believe for them to be town. My heart wants to believe them I think, but A50 makes good points about DGB that makes me feel like I'm just being soft.

NM has been scummy toward me, but I fully admit my own confirmation bias in that situation.

A50 - so your premise is that DGB is probably the common denominator here and we will figure out the other scum tomorrow?

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 7:21 am

In post 5150, DrippingGoofball wrote:A50 you are reminding me of Marky Mark a lot right now.

Lol mark was town though.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:40 am

Can you walk me through your thought process leading up to the fake out on infinity? Why'd you do it, when did you decide to, why infinity, etc?

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:52 am

This should not take a long time

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:10 am

Over here smashing that refresh button and waiting

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:24 am

@FL - it can't be NM & DGB why?

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:25 am

In post 5176, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 5163, VP Baltar wrote:Over here smashing that refresh button and waiting
I had to leave to get my flu shot!

Fiiiiiiiine.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:32 am

In post 5174, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 5161, VP Baltar wrote:Can you walk me through your thought process leading up to the fake out on infinity? Why'd you do it, when did you decide to, why infinity, etc?
I suspected infinity, and was bored.

As VT i thought I could gage reactions. It's not complicated.

You never really suspected infinity D1 actually. You had them in your "null" reads list. Only suspicion I see in your ISO was you quoting koba when they said they suspected "infinity, taylor and mark"...to which you said "good reads".

You had also already started your spat with Mark a little bit at that point. It's weird you picked infinity to pull a gambit on. I would find that play against mark a little more believable given your animosity with him this game. It's also a big coincidence you hit an actual investigative, don't you think?

Give me more detail. What did you find suspicious about infinity specifically?

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:36 am

In post 2134, VP Baltar wrote:Will say, weird Koba didn't die after soft claiming power.

lol, I'm a fucking idiot.

My biggest problem since I came back is just not trusting my instincts.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:39 am

The interplay between DGB and koba at the start of D2 is very noticeable.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:40 am

I mean, what if the balance for the town power is scum having a number of investigatives too? Infinity and Mark were the crosshairs immediately at the start of D2. It's just too targeted to be a random occurrence.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:42 am

gah, you guys were busy while I was working.

FL, you feeling sure about NM? I'm maybe willing to give this a shot.

My gut is saying DGB, but you're the most logical partner for her and I'm not certain at all you're scum here.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:43 am

but NM could also totally be scum with DGB. I don't get why it HAS to be NM & A50 necessarily.

I'm just wifoming myself into every possible combination here.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:43 am

In post 5241, Flavor Leaf wrote:UNVOTE: Not Mafia

so not sure then

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:52 am

In post 5248, Flavor Leaf wrote:f it's VP/DGB, good game.

we could have hammered last night if that were the case.

This is the only possible combination that's been ruled out as plausible.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:58 am

ugh, my gut says DGB so much here though. She is charming and smart and tricksy!

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:59 am

but also, NM's reaction to this commitment stinks to scum high heaven.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:59 am

In post 5264, Not_Mafia wrote:Yes and then, on at least 2 occasions, you've said I'm just openly stating my scum strategy

huh?

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:00 pm

In post 5269, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 5266, VP Baltar wrote:but also, NM's reaction to this commitment stinks to scum high heaven.
I don't know what this means

You're trying to be nonchalant and logical in response to FL's vote. I'd be flipping a shit as town if someone was voting me unless I thought that person was absolutely scum.

You think FL is scum?

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:08 pm

In post 5278, Flavor Leaf wrote:I replaced into Betrayal of the House, and claimed I went away to make a grilled cheese sandwhich, and I got food tell yelled at me, and I was scum (i replaced into a deadslot like Day 4, it was like mechanically confirmed scum)

lol

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:11 pm

In post 5279, Flavor Leaf wrote:@VPB what flipped you on DGB?

The thing sketching me out about DGB most is after i started rereading the opening to D2 when Koba/DGB successfully outted both infinity and mark as PRs.

DGB did her fake out, then disappeared and koba started saying "DGB didn't even claim a result!" DGB stayed out of the thread until infinity claimed detective, then returned after that.

I mean, could totally be a coincidence that looks bad for DGB, but koba and the scum certainly benefited highly from how all of that went down.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:15 pm

In post 4478, Andresvmb wrote:I think DGB is also very obvious actually. It really is going to come down to that last vote.

^ Plus if andres is right in his dying words, he'd be mad at me if I fuck this up.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:19 pm

In post 5291, Flavor Leaf wrote:It also doesn't lose us the game if the team is A50/Not Mafia.

but it does if it's you and DGB. This is my paranoia scenario.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:21 pm

But I also really don't know FL. Just scared because everyone clearly thinks you're an outstanding player.

I mean NM could be scum here.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:21 pm

HOW IN THE HELL DID I GO FROM THINKING I'D BE AN OBV MISYEET TO BEING A DECIDING VOTE.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:28 pm

In post 5295, Flavor Leaf wrote:Infinity did die the night DGB was getting targeted.

Right, there are just a lot of coincidences. And I'm willing to give you another chance to confirm your role tonight, but we never get that with DGB.

Still, it'd be bold af play if the team actually was DGB-koba-FL. There are too many obvious connections for it to be true across the board. Which means I'm jsut being overly paranoid and we should yeet NM.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:33 pm

Ok. I'm going to trust FL is town here. Let's do this. (don't be mad at me if I lose this game dead thread).

VOTE: Not Mafia

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:33 pm

PAGETOP

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:35 pm

UNVOTE:

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:39 pm

I'm here too, but I need to deal with something at work real quick.

NM -- the fact you don't immediately think FL is scum since you haven't been hammered multiple times when he popped a vote on you makes me think you have to be scum here.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:40 pm

posting posting

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:49 pm

fucking dammit

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:49 pm

gg scum

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:50 pm

I was right that someone had to be tied to DK there! Just picked the wrong one

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:52 pm

In post 5339, Almost50 wrote:@DGB: You trolling?

P-edit 2: Everyone's congratulating Scum as if you ALL knew the flip already. What am I missing?

don't be like that man.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:52 pm

could be NM & FL though I suppose

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:54 pm

I am jack's deep sense of murderous rage

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 12:58 pm

In post 5355, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 5352, VP Baltar wrote:I am jack's deep sense of murderous rage
You thought I was scum, you could have been the one laying down the first vote on me.

It's true. I would have been wrong either way. I was probably going to vote NM today, fwiw.

I should have stuck to my FL read when he started coming after me with very little provocation at the start of the day.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:04 pm

In post 5368, DrippingGoofball wrote:My mafia-self-esteem is officially in the dumps!!!!!

Haha, same! I don't know if I can win a game anymore.

The infinity/taylor/vp fight was my downfall and scum didn't have to do much there. We all tunneled each other out of existence.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:06 pm

The lack of daytalk would have made me crazy as scum.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:09 pm

Still was a fun game regardless. Thanks for playing everyone.

pedit @ FL- I mean maybe, that's not really how I perceived it. The reason I got involved in that is because infinity and taylor were 'locktown' reading each other for BS reasons and then trying to gang up on me with bad reasoning. It stank of scum duping someone who they play with a lot.

I think a hard thing with coming back is I am at zero experience with most people I play with. So it's hard to know people's personalities and what their weak/strong points are.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:18 pm

In post 5380, Flavor Leaf wrote:You're gonna get Flavor Fever after this and scum read me when you play with townMe next.

I can see that happening to people. It's probably more just now I know that there's no reason to trust coincidences in your favor.

Yeet thy neighbor who does not deliver.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:23 pm

In post 5384, Flavor Leaf wrote:Kkoba and I were the highest posters this game, too.

lol, well that's just koba right?

plus A50 brings your average down

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:37 pm

haha, just realized I'm in a game with you and ABR on a team. I'm going to policy yeet that D1, so sorry in advance.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:39 pm

I should have trusted my NDMath scum read! I'm so susceptible to sweet talk.

It's annoying 2/3 scum lurked out of existence D1. That put town at a big disadvantage all game.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 1:44 pm

why did you kill gamma N1?

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:38 pm

In post 5403, DkKoba wrote:
In post 5399, Glitch wrote:
Roster

Player Name Alignment Role

Tayl0r Swift
Town
Vanilla Townie

JacksonVirgo
Town
Universal Backup

Andresvmb
Town
Vanilla Townie

Gamma Emerald
Town
Vanilla Townie

Not_Mafia
Town
Indecisive Combined Doctor Voyeur

Infinity 324
Town
Detective

DrippingGoofball
Town
Vanilla Townie

Flavor Leaf
Mafia
Goon

geraintm
Town
Vanilla Townie

DkKoba
Mafia
Multitasking Mailman

VP Baltar
Town
Vanilla Townie

Almost50
Mafia
Goon

Marky Mark
Town
Role Watcher
they gave town 3 investigatives and a backup and all scum got was a damn mailman

Haha, this played to your advantage I guess because it was too wild to be believed

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:47 pm

In post 5410, Flavor Leaf wrote:I don't think A50 was ever going down this game, tbh.

This would have been the sticking point. He was just so absent all game it would have been hard to pick out.

Perhaps if DGB had helped me yeet Koba over Marky, I would have seen her as obv town and the lim pool would have been a hell of a lot smaller.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:48 pm

In post 5420, Flavor Leaf wrote:Yeah, Dkk called out Taylor for being Votato in scum PT, then a couple days later I saw them get banned.

Whoa. I didn't know that. That totally explains some of that weird friction.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:55 pm

Thanks for modding, Glitch!

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:02 pm

In post 5443, DkKoba wrote:speaking of that @vp if you fake guiltied me a day before lylo it would have actually won you the game I think in that game we played.

Yeah, possibly! Good point. I was on like day 4 of faking a claim was way too nervous to be risky at that point haha. I should have done that though and it would have bought aldusskel some more time I bet.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:39 pm

the complete randomness that she actually hit a PR with the reax test

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:41 pm

In post 5488, DkKoba wrote:theres a certain tendency to scumread PRs, because PRs by nature are partially informed parties. especially masons.

Yeah that's true. Happens to me often, probably because they are trying to avoid getting killed.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:46 pm

I was actually thinking throughout this game that no day talk might be an advantage in some ways because it makes the scum act more organically in thread.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:47 pm

In post 5494, Flavor Leaf wrote:Encryptor would have been nice in the place of a goon.

Yeah, that would have made sense.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:47 pm

In post 5501, DkKoba wrote:
In post 5498, VP Baltar wrote:I was actually thinking throughout this game that no day talk might be an advantage in some ways because it makes the scum act more organically in thread.
lol

from my notes PT:

In post 18, DkKoba wrote:not having access to scum chat actually helps me get into the town mindset better LOL

ha!

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 3:53 pm

In post 5504, DkKoba wrote:with this setup the way it was built if i ever join another normal if a PR claim is scummy idc what they are. you are GONE. esp after VP's fiasco in our game where I backed off bc ppl were telling me off >.>

Basically this. Like all game I kept talking myself out of it. SO STUPID!

I was like, "don't believe shit role claims, that's how you got so deep in that game"...and then I let it slide anyhow.

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:50 pm

In post 5509, Gamma Emerald wrote:Fuck this game. Glitch you were a great mod.

I was mind melding with you D1 and was so sad when you died

I was ready to join your wrecking crew

VP Baltar · Tue Nov 24, 2020 4:57 pm

Lol Koba you were gonna rick roll me you bastard!

VP Baltar · Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:43 am

In post 5540, Glitch wrote:The activity level this game really was intense. I honestly didn't tear 2 everything. I expected it to slow down a lot after each night like most games do, but no. This crazy high activity was maintained to the very end. It was like day 1 activity forever. Lol. Impressive.

Seriously! I had to really not let myself fall behind in this game or it would have been an even bigger disaster

VP Baltar · Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:10 am

In post 5561, DkKoba wrote:Thats not to say town was weak lol.
But yall did get gerain d1 so

I mean, the instinct to yeet the lurkers was correct though. Math and Zedenek both got pushes. Just the wrong lurker in the end!

Plus D1 is always a throwaway.

I think what really screwed us were just a few key tunneling errors.

The gambits were smart and bought time. Town just needed to come together a bit more and we might have turned it around.

VP Baltar · Thu Nov 26, 2020 3:39 am

In post 5585, Andresvmb wrote:Now I know that VPB tunneling a low information slot early in the game isn’t a sign of being Scum haha

It's never a bad play to toss dead weight early in the game. Plus, town made the mistake of letting D1 go on way too long.

If we had speed yeeted Math, which I would have been perfectly happy with, we would have caught scum.

Plus it would have saved us 100 pages or whatever. Haha

VP Baltar · Thu Nov 26, 2020 4:03 am

Reading back....of course it was Taylor who single handedly derailed the math speed wagon

Koba was eager to jump off too. That could have been so good!

Player Name	Alignment	Role
Tayl0r Swift	Town	Vanilla Townie
JacksonVirgo	Town	Universal Backup
Andresvmb	Town	Vanilla Townie
Gamma Emerald	Town	Vanilla Townie
Not_Mafia	Town	Indecisive Combined Doctor Voyeur
Infinity 324	Town	Detective
DrippingGoofball	Town	Vanilla Townie
Flavor Leaf	Mafia	Goon
geraintm	Town	Vanilla Townie
DkKoba	Mafia	Multitasking Mailman
VP Baltar	Town	Vanilla Townie
Almost50	Mafia	Goon
Marky Mark	Town	Role Watcher