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[Battle Mage]

I feel more confident in my reads since no one died last night, but I suppose everyone should feel that way.

what is this supposed to mean?

It's an error. I missed Andres dying.

yes but what would you have meant, if nobody had died?

[Battle Mage]

like what were you getting at, when you claimed not to realise somebody had died

[Titus]

I feel more confident in my reads since no one died last night, but I suppose everyone should feel that way.

what is this supposed to mean?

It's an error. I missed Andres dying.

yes but what would you have meant, if nobody had died?

like what were you getting at, when you claimed not to realise somebody had died

If nobody died, given Ben flipped roleblocker, a doctor would likely be the save. Since scum don't shoot people with bad reads (generally), it makes more sense to double down on reads.

[Battle Mage]

Battle Mage is here too he knows.

but real talk at worst I hammered a VT who was playing anti-town and at best we caught scum.

real talk, i like you, but you hammered a town PR and didn't even let me post my shit first.

I think it's obvious him and FL are probably town given the reactions at EoD yesterday.

have you played with him before?

Overworld no. FL yes. Such brazen moves are unlikely to be scum. FL!scum is unlikely to outright locktown such behavior.

S v T is just not happening.
T v S is possible but unlikely given the locktown status granted by FL. Be suspicious if FL walks this back.
S v S is unlikely as it's too dramatic a link.
T v T is the most likely scenario.

I've played with Outworld before. I definitely wouldn't agree the way yesterday ended makes him "obvious" town. I also think there's a balance to strike here - generally agree that brazen moves more often come from town but an all-round endorsement of recklessness is problematic for the game.

I still need to read properly.

[Titus]

Great, when you do, talk to me about superbowl9.

[Battle Mage]

I feel more confident in my reads since no one died last night, but I suppose everyone should feel that way.

what is this supposed to mean?

It's an error. I missed Andres dying.

yes but what would you have meant, if nobody had died?

like what were you getting at, when you claimed not to realise somebody had died

If nobody died, given Ben flipped roleblocker, a doctor would likely be the save. Since scum don't shoot people with bad reads (generally), it makes more sense to double down on reads.

I suppose that would make sense, if everybody had identical reads.

But they don't.

So what in the heck are you on about?

Are you really saying that, if there is a doc save, everyone must believe they were shot for their own amazing reads? not everybody is so arrogant. And why does the Doc save even matter in that context?

I'm so confused

[Titus]

I feel more confident in my reads since no one died last night, but I suppose everyone should feel that way.

what is this supposed to mean?

It's an error. I missed Andres dying.

yes but what would you have meant, if nobody had died?

like what were you getting at, when you claimed not to realise somebody had died

If nobody died, given Ben flipped roleblocker, a doctor would likely be the save. Since scum don't shoot people with bad reads (generally), it makes more sense to double down on reads.

I suppose that would make sense, if everybody had identical reads.

But they don't.

So what in the heck are you on about?

Are you really saying that, if there is a doc save, everyone must believe they were shot for their own amazing reads? not everybody is so arrogant. And why does the Doc save even matter in that context?

I'm so confused

I think everyone should be that arrogant, at least at SoD, yes. It gets the opinions out there. It gets clashing ideas and town rallying around the best ones. The best ideas come to the top when

all

people are included.

To that end, please catch up. I want to discuss superbowl9 with you.

[Titus]

Spoiler: Quotes

Not sure why ben is self-voting at this stage, dont we have soooo long to deadline and he’s the first wagon? Comes off as scummy > desperate/defeated town imo

Not sure why ben is self-voting at this stage, dont we have soooo long to deadline and he’s the first wagon?

Comes off as scummy > desperate/defeated town

imo

None of the above.

Indifferent.

Indifferent people don't self vote at L-2

pedit: welp

Can we policy that tomorrow it needs to be punished from either alignment

(unless ben's scum in which case they escape with a warning)

Battle Mage is here too he knows.

but real talk at worst I hammered a VT who was playing anti-town and at best we caught scum.

Nope please do not minimize your quickhammer. The bad thing about them is that they mess up the normal flow of games/wagons and cut off our discussion time, which is especially important in this type of game where there wasn't much content to go off of

This rapid shift from we got scum wagoned to Ben is likely town, policy lynch OutWorldER is particularly jarring.

Bolded is showing the read shift.

Underlined is where Superbowl9 shows he has no interest in sorting OutWorldER if Ben flips town.

It's chaining lynches in its worst form.

For when you do catch up

[Rannygazoo]

I for one am not going to pretend that this is okay. VOTE: OutworldER

FOS FL for saying yesterday that quickhammering makes one locktown

[Titus]

It's not ok. But lynching town because they were stupid is worse.

Do you think OutWorldER is town?

[Titus]

I mean executing.

[Rannygazoo]

Look at his ISO. His reads are even more inconsistent than superbowl9’s. He goes from townreading Ben to quickhammering him in TWO POSTS. And for what?

[Titus]

Look at his ISO. His reads are even more inconsistent than superbowl9’s. He goes from townreading Ben to quickhammering him in TWO POSTS. And for what?

He reread between those posts. He even mentioned in his ISO and made a meta comparison post flip. That indicates OutWorldER thought he was legit hammering scum.

Superbowl9 has no such explanation and might be buddying you in fact.

[Rannygazoo]

And anyone else who hammers this early in the day would be lock scum.

you wanna fuckin bet

VOTE: Benhalkum

This is a gambit, but the gambit has nothing to do with ben and everything to do with how ER is read after the flip. The motivation here is backwards. Town should try to flip scum first and worry about how they how they're read second, while scum does it the other way around.

my post is memey but I had to do a big think and reread for that.

then I realized ben was bamboozling me. get the fuck outta here with that.

Uh huh. The trying to explain it away comes during twilight.

Battle Mage is here too he knows.

but real talk at worst I hammered a VT who was playing anti-town and at best we caught scum.

Already trying to minimize the impact when ben flips town.

[Rannygazoo]

Superbowl9 has no such explanation and might be buddying you in fact.

Where? I missed this.

BTW congrats on surviving to day 2.

[Titus]

I think FL was implying he would self-hammer, but that’s clearly not happening

Honestly it would never happen if it was announced that the E-1 vote was just a test. And anyone else who hammers this early in the day would be lock scum.

Not sure why ben is self-voting at this stage, dont we have soooo long to deadline and he’s the first wagon? Comes off as scummy > desperate/defeated town imo

None of the above.

Indifferent.

Indifferent people don't self vote at L-2

pedit: welp

Can we policy that tomorrow it needs to be punished from either alignment (unless ben's scum in which case they escape with a warning)

Rapid read switch that happens to support your position.

[Titus]

And anyone else who hammers this early in the day would be lock scum.

you wanna fuckin bet

VOTE: Benhalkum

This is a gambit, but the gambit has nothing to do with ben and everything to do with how ER is read after the flip. The motivation here is backwards. Town should try to flip scum first and worry about how they how they're read second, while scum does it the other way around.

my post is memey but I had to do a big think and reread for that.

then I realized ben was bamboozling me. get the fuck outta here with that.

Uh huh. The trying to explain it away comes during twilight.

Battle Mage is here too he knows.

but real talk at worst I hammered a VT who was playing anti-town and at best we caught scum.

Already trying to minimize the impact when ben flips town.

This is tunnelvision.

The time between the posts supports the conclusion that OutWorldER did a fast reread.

Also, if you look at the game he was comparing to, it makes sense that he thought Ben was scum.

[Rannygazoo]

Oh, it doesn't count as buddying if I'm right

[Titus]

Oh, it doesn't count as buddying if I'm right

Smh. So basically you're saying that the pattern I am seeing is indeed correct but it doesn't matter because it doesn't match with your read?

[Rannygazoo]

No, I’m being facetious

Normally I’m wary of buddying and that didn’t ping me though. Not that I need it to scumread sb9

[Titus]

No, I’m being facetious

Normally I’m wary of buddying and that didn’t ping me though. Not that I need it to scumread sb9

So you're scumreading sb9 yet his sudden read shift to agree with you didn’t set off buddying alarms?

I think I am moving you closer to town because you aren't getting defensive and putting forth townie inconsistent logic.

[superbowl9]

VOTE: outworlder

[superbowl9]

I dont want there to be any universe where a player thought “oh i quickhammered a PR but it was okay because i stayed alive” regardless of alignment. I will always advocate for punishing poor behavior

[Rannygazoo]

Just to be clear, I don’t think SvS for superbowl9 vs outworldER is impossible

But I’m playing to win, not to punish bad play

[Battle Mage]

if OutworldER is scum, he has experienced teammates. Would probably imply at least 1 of Titus/Flavor Leaf as scum too.