Open 802: Jungle Oligarchy [Game Over]

[Taly]

Ego will be reading stuff later probably

VOTE: Taly!

VOTE: taly
murdercat townblock activated

Also if someone could explain how to actually approach this setup that would be great. I'm guessing wolves first and try to go into good nightless numbers is ideal because there won't be cross kills? But I'm not sure how we actually manage to control that

We don't? I'm not sure what you're asking here. We hunt scum, and try to figure it out from there.

VOTE: Taly

DAMN I'm really hot shit huh?



Tired as hell but I promise I'll contribute if I'm pushed to L-1 just

a little

quicker.

VOTE: Murdercat

Let's see how durable that townbloc truly is,

Plus

.

[Taly]

Titus

, I may shelve you until D2 if you assist me in chastising the flareon.

[Taly]

Titus

, I may shelve you until D2 if you assist me in chastising the flareon.

Who says I live to D2?

luck on both of our ends

Hello old friends and new friends!

deas <3

vote to lim something id love the thrill of going to sleep knowing im at L3 off page 1.

[Taly]

on that note, i shall sleep soundly.

[Taly]

mmmm, you guys feel to be a bit slower paced, so digesting this thread via rereading just rose with importance

VOTE: Taly up the votes, we got ourselves a wagon

Hahahahaha

clever one, aren't ye?

Do I know your main

Also lol at Taly wagon

where's the spice, fire kitty? >:3

what was your goal with the wagon?

Taly is at E minus 1

i have thoughts best said after

titus

replies to her votes

I'd wager Taly is more likely town than anything, with both scumteams contributing to the wagon somewhere.

Reasonable assessment, but who are the scum and is it townled at all?

[Taly]

what was your goal with the wagon?

Hey I was first, I just RVS'd
I agree with the logic that you are probably town because I think that there's a lot of townies who get uncomfortable with early wagons because ??? So I think there is scum voting here, it's just probability. But also you could still be scum with other scum voting for you, in 2172 I made that mistake.

I'm also not sure what the scum motivation is for accelerating your wagon because obviously we aren't going to yeet you.
Or maybe we do but anyone who hammers is scum claiming.

I'm assuming a 1 for 1 is still good in this setup so I'll miss you if that were to happen but I think I'd still take it

what's your take on my response to the official L1 i am at? and to all those who have posted since

BM's

vote?

@bolded

wouldn't be so sure either way, multiball's are wild.

Reasonable assessment, but who are the scum and is it townled at all?

This is kind of weird to me though, I started the wagon and I still wouldn't consider it to be town led. No one had posted yet, it's random led

i also feel iffy with the assertion that i am town based on the wagon since several players did not join into the thread to contribute on RVS before solvy stuff began,

clidd/iam

, so its hard to get a grasp on the thread on a hollistic level.

i mean, the latter half of

klick's

statement was what i meant as

"reasonable"

and where my question was directed

I'd wager Taly is more likely town than anything,

with both scumteams contributing to the wagon somewhere.

but then, i suppose youve still made some assessment of the game within the past 3 pages? something... a bit more interesting than a townlean.

Titus is my best guess for scum on the wagon atm. Weird sheep without comment, and then the fuss about E-1 without unvoting.
MURDERCAT's vote seems NAI, and tbh I'd expect Battle Mage to do the E-1 vote as any alignment. The sus votes are in the middle, when the wagon is actually being talked about as a wagon. A decent question at this point is, is there anyone adding pressure on you that wouldn't have done so as town? If so it's going to be somewhere in {PlusJOYED, Marashu, Titus, Klyne}.

But also there's almost certainly bound to be town guiding the wagon as well

klick

is a quick one with reads but it is productive here.

Setting Taly up at a fake L minus one would clear the way for a fake hammer gambit, which is one of my favorites. I have never seen it done in RVS but I figured why not? Worst thing that happens is more conflict and activity which is good to get us out of RVS.

got a little annoyed with 28 and 33 spoiling the fun because i figured you were reaction testing.

anyway, i like this approach. +1

I don't think Taly should be town just because he got a few votes in RVS

is this why your vote is still on me?

p-edit

Do you expect me to have definitive answers by the 3rd page of the game

do you have

A

definitive answer or jsut

"

taly

may not be town because of RVS wagon itself"

?

give me something hehe

[Taly]

what's your take on my response to the official L1 i am at? and to all those who have posted since BM's vote?

I think I'm not clear about what you are asking with the first part of this.
As to the second part, I want Titus/Klyne to work itself out before I comment on it, but I have thoughts there.

im asking you if any of my content so far is AI in your eyes

do you have A definitive answer or jsut "taly may not be town because of RVS wagon itself"?

give me something hehe

I had no read on you up until this point and anyone who pretends they did is lying

ill take your read at face value here but i feel like youre focusing on why the assessments on me so far are invalid rather than creating one yourself.

In fact,

VOTE: Kylne

again, this is sus as hell

if

taly flips red

yeah, im not a fan that you keep your RVS vote on me and then say someone less-voted is suspicious depending on an S/S association, which you don't seem confident due to the

"if"

condition.
VOTE: PlusJOYED
your stance is unclear and i dont know if that is intentional.

also 68

titus

answered this but ill see if you can find where.

[Taly]

im asking you if any of my content so far is AI in your eyes

After Kanna's game, no
Maybe I will ask you directly, what do you think your tells are? Because you seemed really solvey as scum still.

fair, i really went hard for that deepwolf angle.

I really don't like to give self-meta, especially during games, I feel like it can easily be turned into me manipulating your perception of my slot, whether I do that subconsciously or not. Plus, I have a MASSIVE tonal range as a mafia player, so I can't faithfully tell you that my mental or emotional state is plainly scum or town even if I were sincere upon saying it.

Few people onsite has ever read me correctly via meta.

So, instead of tells, I'll just give you

factors

that POINT to a likelier alignment that I am

(Because You Asked )

-

Spoiler: yucky self-meta, you have been warned.

Pro-Town Taly

+ More conversational, informal tone, spews a lot more
+ If there are reservation of thoughts, it is for a purpose usually given later
+ Can be very difficult to predict read and POV wise, may actually be a bit convoluted with ideas
+ Focus on avoiding mislims.

NAI Taly

+ GIFs and "showiness"
+ Walls, those unfortunately happen everywhere
+ Usually cares about game cohesion and playstyle usually is oriented to work with players.

+ I do everything possible to get information from others. Regardless of my alignment. I question a lot.

I actually can't tell if vote timing is AI for me.

Anti-Town Taly

+ More stagnant, refined, I keep myself less exposed, and I am less "messy" with every aspect of game.
+ If there is a reservation of thought, it is to gain information to help me adapt to gamestate I can survive in
+ If you

BoP

me, you would likely lay my ass to waste in an argument.
+ The times where I'm actively against mislims as scum, is because I'm playing the long game and have won off towncred from that. Me being correct by itself is not exactly town.

In practice, my

town/scum games

are subtle upon observation, unless you're peak-strength with tone reading.

Which is why I'd rather just link my scum-games instead (Least Relevant to Relevant):

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=60966 - First completed mafia game ever. Won as a Serial Killer.
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=63741 - First groupscum game. Won after I was a planned bus.
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=76118 - Hardly a game really, but I was in a 41p multiball with tons of vigs...
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=76098 -

Perfect scum victory.

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=76341 - Was a fucking traitor... UGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHHHH... I/my slot always outlasts groupscum.
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=79036 - A TRAITOR AS A HYDRA. KILL ME.
viewtopic.php?f=84&t=78138 - 2-in-1... I was town AND scum.
viewtopic.php?f=54&t=82724 - 3p I replaced out, but still... very recent tbh.
viewtopic.php?f=52&t=82289 - 4p scum hydra >:3
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=84987 - Most recent and credible scumgame.

Murdercat

was introduced to me in this game.

ok this post was waaaaay too much effort, bye.

[Taly]

yeah, im not a fan that you keep your RVS vote on me and then say someone less-voted is suspicious depending on an S/S association, which you don't seem confident due to the "if" condition

i guess claiming isn't really a thing in this type of game huh.
i prefer to put pressure to see how people act. more pressure gives more info usually though without claiming maybe I'm going about this wrong.
way i see it is you're null leaning scum and killing you will help me ascertain titus greatly. so i see no reason to move

so we went from

"im RVS voting

Y

to

X

is likely Scum if

Y

is Scum"

to

"

Y

is null-leaning scum now"

to

"killing

Y

helps me read

X

"

the logical leap in 80 posts from voting a random wagon to justifying it by doubtcasting another player's alignment reads as disingenuous.

but you know, im just fine with leaving this thought here for now.
i prefer to put pressure to see how people act.

[Taly]

<3 eeeee murderkitties

I'm going to be candid about my POV with

Titus

I don't have a strong mechanism of sorting them.

I just have an easy way of understanding them because I've town-hydra'd with them before (cannot go into details to uphold site rules.)

So my biggest way to sort that slot now is to just read, take notes, and don't shelve yet.

[Taly]

Hm. Early takes right now: I'm thinking Titus is town. I was townleaning Taly based on reactions to the wagon until I saw the post about meta reads. That one makes me feel apprehensive (though I can at least promise that I will not be reading through those games to fact-check). I'm feeling scum!murdercat is a very real possibility. I'm also getting gut scumpings from Klick, but I also know BM is better than me at finding scum. Klick did have a good point about Klyne, though.

Light TL on Plus. Deas might be scum? So right now I'm feeling {Murdercat, Klick, Klyne, Deas} with one more to find.

UNVOTE:

P-Edit: VOTE: Klyne - now explain your vote.

what does

murdercat

-scum look like? your commentary implies that you're looking for something specific with that slot.

ok

this post was waaaaay too much effort

, bye.

it was, my Taly-vote stands.

glad we understand each other. i was wondering when someone would scumread me based off effort rather than the content i provide.

And.. That's it. I don't think I will do more than that. Maybe I'll adapt to the real-time chat.

VOTE: Titus

I'm having many mixfeelings right now, but I want to sort this first ^

are you into questions as a means to do a real-time chat? id like you to throw me tons of them.

Point a:

- Delay on vote by Titus is towny.

Point b:

VOTE: Titus

How did you get from Point a to Point b?

small tidbit, i liked that

marashu

didn't read a page-by-page analysis passively.

p-edit

DV

up until 126 i had no impression on at all which pinged me.

DV

, are association tells ever useful to find in this setup?

and what impression have you garnered from the other 8 players?

[Taly]

i feel like people are ignoring me in this game

im not ignoring you bb

<3

but yeah, what reactions are you expecting that you haven't garnered yet?

Taly, I'm finding it difficult to read your posts.

If you could quote on different posts, it would be better.

k, ill keep quotes down

ill just work on post linking more, does that help?

[Taly]

Taly, can you summarize all your reads so far? you don't need to detail anything, I just want to know where your head is at the moment.

i take my time with reads but here is my POV rn:

Some Degree Of Town Read: Clidd, Marashu, Klick, Murder

Sorting: iam, ORAM, JacksonVirgo, Titus, BM, DeasVail, Klyne

Some Degree Of Scum Read: PlusJOYED

(im still sorting everybody tbh, but the mid-category is without actual thoughts leaning me one direction or another on alignment)

i have actual thoughts with

BM/Klyne/DV/Titus

but nothing that i think AI just yet.

p-edit

ORAM

, what do you think about all the wagons so far?

{taly/titus/klyne/plus}

just noticed the wagons are literally just 2

"somewhat-1v1s"

huh. thats gonna make later VCA analysis interesting.

[Taly]

I'll catch up today, have lots of going on in these next two days but I'll get to this.



also omg

integra

is awesome

[Taly]

oh and i invite questions

biiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[Taly]

Just did my morning catch-up, but a quick question for Taly - I'd like to know your take on ORAM.

absolutely loved their 139 because that post will make it quite easy to read back onto them as the game progresses, im also happy that they actually answered my question in full and didnt seem to inject their POV on why they should.

ill get to their question about the

murdercat

townlean, its mainly gut and me only experiencing

murdercat

as town

(which is why i asked you about scum-

murder

)

228 is interesting because it implies that

ORAM

had a reason to keep his vote up later but I'm taking that post at face value for now, and that his disposition is hard to fake and is likely coming from a town stance that isn't hindered by potential teammates rn.

i could be pocketed because the theme of his posts seem to support me as a townread, but thats not a thought process ill entertain at all right now so

townread is my feels for

ORAM

.

[Taly]

137 and 138

Klyne

Why is your read on me based on one post where I townlean

Marashu

?

And your scumpool consists of people who are bussing each other in both scumteams if it were realistic, do you think this is a plausible solve?

I ask because I get the impression that your reads are based around controlling what people should think versus a personal solve from you.

The

"unadultered NOOB SCUM FEAR"

is too hyperbolic for me to be convinced by your read there.

Taly, Murdercat is stuck at hard null for me, sell me on your townlean there

Murdercat

in 82 had the ability to tear into my 79 self-meta/link spew and instead they took it in good faith.

They have good reason to be paranoia about me

(because I duped them me OP as scum hehe)

but their

"I'm going with my heart a bit here"

feels genuine, and if it were scum trying to pocket me, I feel like there would be MORE or LESS caution in solving me.

Your townpool is basically what I'm thinking too.

Regarding your wagon, what is your impression of the growth it had in a short period of time?

All alignments were on it, probably. I don't think any votes were serious when posed, and it's disingenuous for votes to remain because it feels like justifying an in-context-RVS-vote is lazy.

Who are the 2 people you like on the wagon,

clidd

? 210

Is this post more readable clidd? I can adjust further if necesssary.

Spoiler:

Some Degree Of Town Read: Clidd,

Marashu

, Klick, Murder

Do NOT do this

His back-off from me was the freaking scummiest thing all game, even beating Titus. The way he unvoted was absolute unadulterated NOOB SCUM FEAR.

He thought "Oh shit, maybe I was a bit over-performative in the way I described my reads, I guess from now on I'll be more vague because he thought that was scummy, whew"

Marashu isn't likely scum. Marashu lurks a fair amount as scum. I could be wrong because even scum have a reason to hunt here, but I strongly don't think he is.

I think you're just attacking everyone against you.

hmm ok

You think I'm being pocketed by

Murder, Titus

, or

ORAM

?

I ask about each person here for different reasons.

[Taly]

I was talking about MC and Klick on post 210, Taly.

Do you think the actual pace ingame says something?

not this early. it will depend more on the plist's style.

im so busy irl this week and next week that im happy as long as i can keep up with the game.

i extend my question posed to

Plus

, to you. am i mislead on my townreads?

and what do you think of my assessment of

klyne's

137/138?

[Taly]

VLA until Sunday.

[Taly]

will get to this tomorrow

love questions btw

[Taly]

I have posts I want to reply to saved but since

DV

is most recent here, I'll focus on them

DV, are association tells ever useful to find in this setup?

Yes, and I do think that these sorts of things are worth keeping in mind, but I think that they can also be very premature and a useful way for scum to post thoughts on the game without too much investment or commitment.

Unless

DV

is very subtly defending

Titus

(which I doubt), I don't think this POV is voiced by scum in a setup like this. Want to see how true

DV

holds to this line of thought.

Also

DV

, are you meta'ing

Bulge

, or is your scumread there based on in-thread posts?

[quote="In

Townreads for me are currently: clidd, Titus, iama

I am also considering townreads on Taly and Marashu and am less interested in PlusJoyed as scum than I was previously

UNVOTE: PlusJOYED

I am a bit skeptical about MURDERCAT and therefore the townreads of him. His posting has this way of making me feel like he's really thinking about how he is coming across with each post and I was actually interested in Marashu thinking that Murdercat was scum.
(And would therefore actually be quite interested in hearing what Marashu thinks about this now!)

I can actually relate to a lot of Titus' thoughts on Klyne. The posting feels like a front, a facade of sorts. This could be explained by Klyne wishing to use this account to have that particular style but there's certainly nothing particularly town to me about the slot so far.

Perhaps of anyone in the game right now,

ORAM's posting feels the most easily made by scum.

Breakdown your thoughts here?

[Taly]

Good start, Bulge.

I'm looking forward to your catch up too.

What was good about the start?

My TRs are usually on point actually, it's my scumreads that are bad.

I don't feel like pushing this slot further. I think their recent spew is more understandable.

VOTE: Klyne

I want to see something.

I wouldn't be, multiball scum is my favourite

This doesn't answer

DV's

assessment of you. Have you caught up?

[Taly]

breaking this into 2 posts

Spoiler: robbed queen 3 times on BB

(actually that's a lie, i did play with taly once as well! hi taly!)

Da'Vonne

is amazing and you're officially top tier human for this hiiii

<3

@username

No, I've been suspicious of Titus for some time and I'm tired of the static game state. Let's see if the wagon resumption causes any productive friction.

I asking for his case about Titus after voting to understand his motivation inside the wagon, considering that I have no other slot at the moment that I feel as strange as Titus and that I really intend to vote.

By extension, I found Klyne's sporadicity in the last few posts kind of not something that I would expect from scum.

I think

Klyne

is AtE'ing.

They singled your vote out in 423 but make no mention of mine.

taly's page one lust for a wagon on himself strikes me as gut-townie for some reason.

@taly

, do you usually show such bravado early in the game?

Yup, usually.

I even think about how I'm going to unnerve, piss off, or confuse people with early-game.

Gets me freaky.

[Taly]

---

page two:

if klick is scum, taly is probably his buddy. i imagine scum!klick would drop the lolhammer in 37 if taly weren't with him in the scum pt. or klick is town. either one.

Bit confused, is

Klick

a scum or a townread for not yeeting my ass?

titus's 46 seems...

fine

? i saw baltar's last page assessment of my and titus's slot, and i feel weirdly nervous even commenting about her because i have a feeling i'm gonna get scumread for it one way or the other but whatever.

---

oh no i like titus in 57/58 oh god oh fuck

Why the concern with being scumread?

@taly:

what was the thought process behind asking oram his thoughts behind wagons specifically (136)? for some reason it pings me as an odd question. not scummy, but something i feel there's a bigger thought process behind it and i'd like to peek into it.

titus's play kinda strikes me in a "scum would play better here" way.

titus/murdercat conversation strikes me as ~weird~.

okay my eyes are glazing over i'll be back at some point.

I figured if

ORAM

was scum with

Titus/Klyne/Plus

then they'd either be ALL OVER their wagon OR avoid it like the plague and dismiss it.

I also wanted to see if they'd find rationality for me to be scum off my wagon that wasn't entirely serious at some point, or try to buddy me by shading specific votes I took issue with at some point

BM/Plus

who kept their vote on me due to some form of scumread or reason they'd double down on.

I was looking for potential associatives OR at least have

ORAM

spew his ideas on several slots in a way that would probably confine or worry scum. The more he spews, the more he can contradict himself, or make himself clear.

Essentially, my question was multi-folded and a way for me to evaluate his progression upon review AND evaluate it more easily in the future.

You keep alluding to a net-neutral read on

Murder

but you mention him often, do you have a concrete read?

[Taly]

my mental energy has been divided to lots of stuff aside from this, ill get to the thread soon

questions or direct comments on my votes/thoughts are top-tier ways to see my POV and motivate me

*sneezes, farts, and then dies*

[Taly]

so, i like

VP/Klyne/Titus

for town

has

plus

posted since D2 started?

Dat's

agreement with

Titus

on

MC

but voting her anyway is a bit ??? on the previous page but

MC's

pocket is very warm so



im posting nonstop

integra

gifs to become re-engaged with this game because half the plist replacing out randomly assaulted my wim a lot

p-edit

Right now my working theory is

Bulge DV wolves
MURDERCAT and Taly for mafia

Right now my working theory is

Bulge DV wolves
MURDERCAT and Taly for mafia

Hey









We agree

no. shhhhhh

bad

titus

bad

klyne

shame

[Taly]

galaxii (7): VP Baltar, Datisi, ben dover123, Klyne, DeasVail, iamausername, clidd
Klyne (2): Titus, Taly
Titus (1): The Bulge
VP Baltar (1): galaxii
Taly (1): PlusJOYED

This looks good for VP and bad for Titus and Taly. Plus and Bulge are also off the wagon, Plus probably looks a bit worse of the two because I think Bulge is also on scum But maybe Titus is a wolf.

As for scum on wagon it's hard to say and really depends on Titus/Klyne. It's hard to know what the motivation was for the wagon at the moment. I might expect other mafia towards the end of the wagon when it became inevitable? But as for wolves they could be anywhere on the wagon, especially if one of the other wagons was on a wolf.

This is very selective analysis. MURDERCAT has been doing that the entire game. Votes peeled off both Kylne and myself. This suggests that if Kylne is scum, he's a wolf. Mafia wouldn't peel off Kylne to vote out their own.

MURDERCAT also doesn't say why the wagons are bad for me and Taly. He just throws out a boilerplate guess that's username's thoughts but weaker and recycled.

MURDERCAT is scum.

Kylne could just as easy be mafia with other mafia voting for you who bussed when it was inevitable. Are you getting confused?

It is bad for you and Taly because you aren't on the wagon, it was obvious I was discussing who wasn't voting for galaxii.

This is weak OMGUS Titus

why am i desperate

nobody is voting for me

You are partners with Titus probably

MC

, the scum-assessments here come to no concrete conclusion on

Titus/Klyne

but your focus is to rationalize the scumread on

Titus

, even when you present the reality that the wagon on

Titus

was mafia-motivated and one where

Titus/Klyne

are Mafia/Mafia at that... which never makes sense in this game.

It doesn't look like you believe your stance here.

What is the deal here with all my townreads voting for me and my scumreads wking me?

Most everything I'm saying at this point has the additional motive to get a foothold on the game, because I admittedly did not do anything D1 and have not kept up with the game since my last post, and even then, I wasn't too vested into the game's progression until now.

[Taly]

this is old as fuck but this segways into my current POV

Also, Taly, how are you feeling about that Klyne vote?

D1 was because I figured he intentionally inflated with intensity to AtE the thread, and I don't recall him ever following up on my POV there so it felt like a deflection from his strengthening wagon.

I'm not so apt on a

Klyne

vote now because he bussed

galaxii

which plummeted the trajectory of the

Titus

lim option. Also because he was within the mafia list, and I don't see why mafia ever puts one of their own onto an NK-list AFTER a scumpartner lim D1.

So a solve with

Klyne

-Mafia is one of the least likely solves I can imagine in this game right now.

Because of this, I can see a reality where

Klyne/Titus

are wolf/wolf assuming they did a shit-ton of theatre D1, but that's far-fetched since werewolves have greater incentive to survive and scumhunt than mafia do because of being lower in numbers AND Mafia in a 1:1:1 scenario... So I strongly doubt that this is the case.

I feel like a likelier gamestate is that

{Klyne/Titus}

has

at least one town (I'm leaning on both town because of the wagon stagnation and counter-wagon hitting Mafia)

, and the narrative that the thread wants to perpetuate a 1v1 comes from a scum-led motive.

VP

is also a townread because I don't know why the hell he busses as the Mafia partner

galaxii

.
Yes, it could be a deflection from wolf-

Titus

or wolf-

Klyne

lim, but on a lazy skim of

VP's

ISO, I like their posting.... and this is a very WIFOMy argument so I'm not a fan of pursuing it here.

so

{klyne/titus/VP}

checks out

[Taly]

I'm not so apt on a Klyne vote now because

as mafia, that implies

he bussed galaxii which plummeted the trajectory of the Titus lim option. Also because he was within the mafia list, and I don't see why mafia ever puts one of their own onto an NK-list AFTER a scumpartner lim D1.

lmfao, that edit fail looks bad

im gonna throw myself into a garbage can, bye

[Taly]

Taly I want you to be town here but I am sadly not feeling the obvious town-vibes that I have felt from you in previous games. I know that you probably can't give this game you're all right now and that's okay but I want to start a conversation.

true, i have not left my scumrange all things considered.

im being reminded why i dont play more than one mafia game at once, but im done with my fall semester so i have more time on my hands... mental energy less so, until im fully invested in this game here.

what games are you referring to? i remember we have played before but i dont remember where

my approach rn is to find a strong town core and then PoE to see if it fits a full-game solve, also looking at how people interact with

galaxii

-mafia/wagon is my starting point

so far im at

{Taly/Titus/Klyne/VP/

Ben

/(3 More Slots)}

1)

Do you think 926 is accurate on a solve AND gamestate viewpoint?

2)

What are slots you have issues or reservations reading right now?

[Taly]

i like

clidd/murder

from earlier posting but im taking another look there.

[Taly]

I don’t have the exact game on my mind right now Taly but I remember there being a game once upon a time where you were obvtown. It is not super relevant to me reading you but I appreciate your acknowledgment that you are not outside your scumrange.

I also have reservations about your townreads, particularly VP and Klyne. VP is not someone I am planning to pursue right now but maybe in the near future

why not pursue

VP

?

also why

Klyne > MC

in terms of vote, since you seem strong there 894?

I am so obvtown it hurts DV. That is a wild take.

I still haven't seen a clear case for DV scum here.

Bulge - should we go after a wolf or mafia today?

Taly, same question.

We're currently at 2:2 so numbers don't matter much in this respect.

MECHANICS
Day start.
Mafia have daytalk. Werewolves do not.
The Mafia have no factional kill of their own. Instead, each day, they can (in their private topic) submit a hit list of 3 players. They are free to change this list up until end of day.
At the end of each day the Mafia's hit list will be made public. If the Werewolves choose to kill that night, they must kill someone on the list.
If no list, or a list not containing three living players, is submitted, the Werewolves may kill anyone they want.
Likewise, if all Mafia are dead, the Werewolves may kill anyone they want.
Day start.Mafia have daytalk. Werewolves do not.The Mafia have no factional kill of their own. Instead, each day, they can (in their private topic) submit a hit list of 3 players. They are free to change this list up until end of day.At the end of each day the Mafia's hit list will be made public. If the Werewolves choose to kill that night, they must kill someone on the list.If no list, or a list not containing three living players, is submitted, the Werewolves may kill anyone they want.Likewise, if all Mafia are dead, the Werewolves may kill anyone they want.

If I read correctly, werewolves are the only ones capable of NKs.

So wolfhunting sounds ideal.

Do you agree?