Open 798 | PYPX/Y+I/M | Game Over!

[the worst]

vote count 5.02

Not voting

: davesaz, Something_Smart, Best Bird, Hoopla, Smoke and Mirrors, Infinity 324, Not_Mafia

Deadline: (expired on 2020-12-05 14:00:00)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

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[Infinity 324]

I really expected Infinity to be the NK

I really don't like this reasoning for possibly suspecting me given that there was a decent amount of support for my elim yesterday (bird, s_s) and I'm in the redirector pool.

Why not? I thought it made the most sense for me to protect the slot that didn’t claim to have a watcher/neighbourize that I was most strongly tr at the time. So why wouldn’t Peta NK have made me less sure on that? I would think that if it hadn’t made me less sure, that should be what should logically make you suspicious.

Fair enough, but I’m not sure why you expected a possible redirector slot to be the NK is what I’m saying. I thought it would be hoopla or maybe n_m since people were talking about how neighborizer is almost always town.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

It's worth noting that scum killed in the redirector group, which is widely seen as a misplay, but S&M has shown that they think a kill in the redirector group would have been reasonable.

Why not? Are you arguing that scum never makes NKs to confuse town? That’s exactly what happened in Surprise Mafia. Scum actually NK’d a freaking lurker slot. And that wasn’t the only NK in that game that didn’t make any sense. None of them did and that’s probably what they were going for.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Not too much interesting here, but the lack of lilith CW means that scum is likely to have been not voting/less active, which makes s_s and JV likely partners.

Also S&M could be town

Calling bullshit on mena. I jailkept NM last night. I think mena is lying about being blocked to avoid having to give more results.

Also mena’s play D3 makes no sense as a cop receiving an innocent result on skitter. I want crumbs.

This kinda feels like TMI.

@s_s Were you ever able to get a good read on lilith?

The slot is so scummy that I want just to vote there, but it doesn't look like I'll get the votes.

s_s, who's scum (with me)?

Why would you fypov, even want to execute a slot that can’t possibly be redirector?

[Something_Smart]

Why not? Are you arguing that scum never makes NKs to confuse town? That’s exactly what happened in Surprise Mafia. Scum actually NK’d a freaking lurker slot. And that wasn’t the only NK in that game that didn’t make any sense. None of them did and that’s probably what they were going for.

I'm arguing that scum NK's usually have more of a reason behind them than "confuse town", though that may be part of it. Confusion doesn't help scum unless it actually drives town to do something scum want them to do.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

You read it right, obviously from my pov neither of us will flip scum-not-redirector barring some total bullshit.

How did I miss this post?

[Smoke and Mirrors]

You read it right, obviously from my pov neither of us will flip scum-not-redirector barring some total bullshit.

How did I miss this post?

#4232 and this post really don’t make a lot of sense.

[Infinity 324]

@4253 I’m paranoid as hell of the n_m redirector gambit, and you make the most sense as a partner there. I also think you make the most sense as a partner for s_s/dave or just with s_s and n_m. But maybe the most logical thing to do would be to vote s_s. Idk.

[Infinity 324]

You read it right, obviously from my pov neither of us will flip scum-not-redirector barring some total bullshit.

How did I miss this post?

#4232 and this post really don’t make a lot of sense.

Hmm?

[Smoke and Mirrors]

My priority there would always be denying town the cop

The problem with doing this is then you pretty much have to claim cop. And skitter can tell you how well that goes :3

Hmm

What about Skitter? @SS

[Smoke and Mirrors]

I’m arguing against the idea that me and s_s are both scum. If that was the case, it would be a big risk since if one of us flipped not-redirector, the other one would basically be confirmed to be redirector. In that case, we almost certainly wouldn’t have killed peta (and probably one of us would’ve claimed cop).

First post of yours I’ve read so far today that’s actually making sense to me. Which makes it even stranger that you’d be pushing us. That’s what’s confusing me.

[Infinity 324]

That post has nothing to do with your alignment, all it’s saying is that I am not scumbuddies with s_s.

Also how good is your scum game?

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Well someone in the draft above TGP took the cop slot, since TGP went for cop and didn’t get it. Of the players currently alive, that’s me, s_s, dave, you, and n_m. Dunn confirmed that you got jk, and peta confirmed that dave got watcher. That leaves me, s_s, and n_m. n_m claimed neighborizer, and dunn verified that the role is in the game. However, since we don’t know that n_m is the neighborizer, it’s possible that n_m is instead the redirector and one of n_m’s scumbuddies (probably bird) is the actual neighborizer.

But how would Dunn have known that role exists then? In CoD, Maria informed us we had a neighbourhood but they didn’t tell us who with, so if Tris hadn’t have shown up and we didn’t pm the mod, we never would have known that.

[Infinity 324]

Dunn didn’t say who the neighborizer was.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

-snip-

But what does any of this have to do with the possibility of a roleswap? We know there's a redirector regardless.

I already explained my reasoning on that to Infinity in #4262.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

I mean

You say you’re town for not being active. I say ok, that may be true in general, but if it’s RL then it’s NAI

and

there are many reasons why scum might want to lurk in this game and not others.

No, that isn’t what I said at all. Please read my post again. What I did say that as town my activity is far more likely to be inconsistent, where as scum I’m usually a lot more active. I never ever said I couldn’t be active also as town. I’m saying that lack of engagement in a game is town indicative for me, which is basically what I think Creature was arguing.

[Infinity 324]

I mean

You say being inactive is towny for you. I say ok, that may be true in general, but if it’s RL then it’s NAI

and

there are many reasons why scum might want to lurk in this game and not others.

EBWOP, it really doesn’t change my argument.

[Not_Mafia]

Infinity pushing this redirector angle is gross

[Infinity 324]

Well you not neighborizing someone when you’re not actually confirmed to be neighborizer is gross.

[Not_Mafia]

I am confirmed

[Smoke and Mirrors]

I really expected Infinity to be the NK

I really don't like this reasoning for possibly suspecting me given that there was a decent amount of support for my elim yesterday (bird, s_s) and I'm in the redirector pool.

Why not? I thought it made the most sense for me to protect the slot that didn’t claim to have a watcher/neighbourize that I was most strongly tr at the time. So why wouldn’t Peta NK have made me less sure on that? I would think that if it hadn’t made me less sure, that should be what should logically make you suspicious.

Fair enough, but I’m not sure why you expected a possible redirector slot to be the NK is what I’m saying. I thought it would be hoopla or maybe n_m since people were talking about how neighborizer is almost always town.

I did also consider Hoopla as well. Why would I jk a claimed PR? If I were a role stopper otoh, that would obviously be different. I think the reason I chose you was because you seemed to be the most against the Mena wagon but Peta being the NK confused me because it just doesn’t make any sense that it would be him over you or Hoopla.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Why not? Are you arguing that scum never makes NKs to confuse town? That’s exactly what happened in Surprise Mafia. Scum actually NK’d a freaking lurker slot. And that wasn’t the only NK in that game that didn’t make any sense. None of them did and that’s probably what they were going for.

I'm arguing that scum NK's usually have more of a reason behind them than "confuse town", though that may be part of it. Confusion doesn't help scum unless it actually drives town to do something scum want them to do.

Well I invite you to read that game and explain to me wtf scum were thinking because it still doesn’t make sense to me.

[Infinity 324]

Yeah I would’ve JK’ed hoopla, but *shrug*

Peta is a weird kill to be sure and that’s why I’m consider the n_m redirector thing.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

@4253 I’m paranoid as hell of the n_m redirector gambit, and you make the most sense as a partner there. I also think you make the most sense as a partner for s_s/dave or just with s_s and n_m. But maybe the most logical thing to do would be to vote s_s. Idk.

Voting a slot that has 0 chance of being redirector is definitely not logical especially since I know you’re wrong about me.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

You read it right, obviously from my pov neither of us will flip scum-not-redirector barring some total bullshit.

How did I miss this post?

#4232 and this post really don’t make a lot of sense.

Hmm?

I think that’s already been covered. I thought it made no sense you were pushing me after making that post.