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[MathBlade]

I didn’t have anything with Battle Mage that pinged me, however, i do normally town read him when he is town, and his Outer vote does make sense as scum, so NPOM/Battle Mage does make sense. I don’t think either Outer or Alchemist are bussing NPOM, so that means it’s probably NPOM/BM/No Elim.

Which sucks because the masons give NPOM strength.

Alternatively, I’m wrong on Outer, but I need within NPOM and the masons today.

I was kinda hoping you would defend Battle Mage so I could con Mathblade into eliminating him correctly. What really pinged me (aside from our earlier fights) is his historical vote pattern. He's third on NPOM on earlier days, but when the time comes back, he votes Outer instead. He then scurries off (likely because IRL but still).

Outer would likely only be scum with NPOM anyway because Outer claiming not VT gives NPOM's claim some legitimacy because it would be accurate.

Why are you not considering NPOM town?

[Titus]

I don’t give scum what they want.

This is princess bride worthy.

You and Flavor Leaf each must drink a glass to exit a room. (Don't cheat the premise.) Flavor Leaf knows which is poisoned.

He tells you "Drink the one on your left."

Do you drink the one on your right, solely because you think Flavor is scum? If so, that makes you very easy to manipulate.

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t really want a Battle Mage fade today, that’s just going to cause tomorrow to be between NPOM and Masons for me.

[Titus]

I didn’t have anything with Battle Mage that pinged me, however, i do normally town read him when he is town, and his Outer vote does make sense as scum, so NPOM/Battle Mage does make sense. I don’t think either Outer or Alchemist are bussing NPOM, so that means it’s probably NPOM/BM/No Elim.

Which sucks because the masons give NPOM strength.

Alternatively, I’m wrong on Outer, but I need within NPOM and the masons today.

I was kinda hoping you would defend Battle Mage so I could con Mathblade into eliminating him correctly. What really pinged me (aside from our earlier fights) is his historical vote pattern. He's third on NPOM on earlier days, but when the time comes back, he votes Outer instead. He then scurries off (likely because IRL but still).

Outer would likely only be scum with NPOM anyway because Outer claiming not VT gives NPOM's claim some legitimacy because it would be accurate.

Why are you not considering NPOM town?

I did attempt to entertain it last night.
The issues with his claim are too volumnious.
The vote wagon history is too bad.
The fact that the Ben wagon should have scum on it somewhere.
Battle Mage's vote patterns.

I did look. I did entertain it. I just can't see it with any rational scenario.

[Titus]

I don’t really want a Battle Mage fade today, that’s just going to cause tomorrow to be between NPOM and Masons for me.

So this means we should fade Battle Mage right?

[MathBlade]

I don’t give scum what they want.

This is princess bride worthy.

You and Flavor Leaf each must drink a glass to exit a room. (Don't cheat the premise.) Flavor Leaf knows which is poisoned.

He tells you "Drink the one on your left."

Do you drink the one on your right, solely because you think Flavor is scum? If so, that makes you very easy to manipulate.

It depends on who he’s been hawking it to. Let’s call NPOM the drink on the left.

He was hawking NPOM scum soon as NPOM voted him in the 300s. He and Alch have been coordinated on this before I came in. It’s not a fair comparison.

[MathBlade]

Vote Count 1.FINAL

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate.

benhalkum

(7): Alchemist21, Flavor Leaf, superbowl9, Titus, NoPowerOverMe, benhalkum, OutWorldER |

ELIMINATED

Titus

(2): Non lmh, hessian

superbowl9

(2): Rannygazoo, Andresvmb

NoPowerOverMe

(1): Battle Mage

Not Voting

(1): wiyvern

Mod notes:

I am using Thesp's automated votecounter - please notify me if there are any errors.
hessian is V/LA until Sunday.
wiyvern will be prodded in the night. if they do not respond, they risk being replaced.

Ben wagon does have scum in Alch and FL and Outer

[Titus]

Vote wagon analysis...

Two scum are not going to start a counterwagon when they could just get on superbowl instead that's driven by two town.

Ben's wagon was driven by his implosion, which NPOM jumped on.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Probably fl ower Titus is the scumteam.

[MathBlade]

Probably fl ower Titus is the scumteam.

Possible but Alch is more likely and one of Titus/FL being town derp is more likely.

[NoPowerOverMe]

When it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

[Titus]

Probably fl ower Titus is the scumteam.

Possible but Alch is more likely and one of Titus/FL being town derp is more likely.

You realize that NPOM's scumteam just happens to be three players who aren't going to vote each other prior to his flip right? It's pretty blatantly transparent.

[MathBlade]

Look at the join date Titus. They’re a newb. They’re probably a me who suspects everyone who suspects them badly.

[NoPowerOverMe]

I'm willing to consider alch at least.

[Titus]

Look at the join date Titus. They’re a newb. They’re probably a me who suspects everyone who suspects them badly.

Their join date has zero to do with their personality.

You're pitying them because they remind you of you. That's not evidence Math. Look at their play.

You can't suppose they're town in the justification.

[NoPowerOverMe]

It doesn't have to do with my join date I play poker and in poker you play what you're dealt.

[MathBlade]

Let’s try this another way.

Assume NPOM scum and Outer town like you’re theorizing.

Why does NPOM scum claim a guilty on Outer who is town?

It’s a bad scum move unless preplanned agreed?

[Titus]

Let’s try this another way.

Assume NPOM scum and Outer town like you’re theorizing.

Why does NPOM scum claim a guilty on Outer who is town?

It’s a bad scum move unless preplanned agreed?

NPOM didn't claim a guilty. NPOM claimed that Outer was just not a VT.

Outer then verified the claim as a bg claim.

[MathBlade]

Okay fine. Why does NPOM scum do that? I said earlier any other PR claim was going to be suspicious.

[NoPowerOverMe]

The only possible town ower solution is scum has a buttload of power.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Or masons are lying

[MathBlade]

Exactly. (Well minus the me lying part) This if NPOM scum is 100% designed for me to elim them. So if I assume NPOM is scum I don’t want to do that whoever scum is. NPOM could be scum but if we elim Outer we can demonstrate this is indeed what scum wanted or if I force scum to be on NPOM same thing occurs.

[Titus]

Okay fine. Why does NPOM scum do that? I said earlier any other PR claim was going to be suspicious.

Get a buddy bus cred? Survive because a VT claim likely wouldn't?

The why depends on his teammates and what their objective is. My big theory is to bus him, but they could have just relied on you hard townreading NPOM.

[Titus]

Exactly. (Well minus the me lying part) This if NPOM scum is 100% designed for me to elim them. So if I assume NPOM is scum I don’t want to do that whoever scum is. NPOM could be scum but if we elim Outer we can demonstrate this is indeed what scum wanted or if I force scum to be on NPOM same thing occurs.

TLDR

Or just NPOM is scum because a) he lied and b) too much power

We don't need to eliminate town to get at scum.

[MathBlade]

Okay fine. Why does NPOM scum do that? I said earlier any other PR claim was going to be suspicious.

Get a buddy bus cred? Survive because a VT claim likely wouldn't?

The why depends on his teammates and what their objective is. My big theory is to bus him, but they could have just relied on you hard townreading NPOM.

I agree. NPOM if scum is absolutely a bus.

So if NPOM is scum I am going to force almost if not the entire scum team to do so.