Among Us Mafia [GAME OVER]

Blitzo · Post Post #2175 (ISO) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:08 pm

Also if you want me to start moving my vote around you have some convincing to do.
Being coy with why I shouldn't vote someone is not going to work here.
PEDIT - Btw are we discussing that super weird conversation earlier?
I remember BM being a part of it but I can't recall who the other participant was.
I can dig it up though I'm sure.
Though I think Gamma may have been the one to initially point it out.

Akarin · Post Post #2176 (ISO) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:08 pm

In post 2173, Gamma Emerald wrote:Tbh I could point out how it went from 6 to 3 just through VCs, but a big thing to realize is it wasn’t a straight descent, it wobbles around 6/5 a bit, and sticks at 4 for a little while

Yes, this game has way more VCs than most (which is great.)

ISO · Post Post #2177 (ISO) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:10 pm

VoteCount 1.59

titus [4]

haschel cedricson pookythemagicalbear battle mage gamma emerald

MURDERCAT [3]

outworldER xRECKONERx thegoldenparadox

Battle Mage [3]

blitzo DrippingGoofball titus

thegoldenparadox [3]

taly murdercat alisae

sircakez [1]

bell

Haschel Cedricson [1]

Akarin

no elim [1]

sircakez

Not Voting [1]

flea the magician

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

Akarin · Post Post #2178 (ISO) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:11 pm

In post 2175, Blitzo wrote:Also if you want me to start moving my vote around you have some convincing to do.
Being coy with why I shouldn't vote someone is not going to work here.

I want to write up a thing on Haschel instead, but I don't want to just leave you two hanging on too many things. Just the one thing.

I need to pry Gamma off me and just do the two things I wanted to do in this game before going to bed.

And I have my reasons. If I explained my reasons they would be irrelevant in this case.

Blitzo · Post Post #2179 (ISO) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:14 pm

Nevermind, I got the conversation you guys are talking about mixed up with a conversation between MC and BM.
If anyone cares, and for my own notes, it was on page 64.
Anyways.
@Akarin - how is it that explaining why you townread someone make you not townread someone anymore?
That doesn't make

any

sense.

xRECKONERx · Post Post #2180 (ISO) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:16 pm

i'm not reading 3 pages ping me if something is worth responding to

MURDERCAT · Post Post #2181 (ISO) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:34 pm

Ok I feel encouraged to actually play the game now based on another game ending recently and some feedback about my play in it. Please unvote me, I would like to actually avoid being miselimed. My LAMIST play is to actually look back over the VCs and try to make something from the wagons as I do think no elim is more likely to come from town as scum probably want to push for miselims still. Early game is all mech talk, I am looking at wagons that reach 4 votes, as those actually have some weight behind them.

In VC 1.29, there is a wagon that reaches 4 votes on BM. Members of the wagon are OutWorldER, Flea, DG, and Blitzo.

Spoiler: BM votes

These votes are all pretty weak, even the surrounding context doesn't add much. I like Outworlder's the best and I think that any of the others could come from scum, but are generally NAI.

BM stayed at 4 votes until VC 1.37 because

Spoiler: DGB moved to Taly

The Taly vote isn't really pushing a scum agenda at all nor does it come off as trying to look towny, so I guess it is worth some town points for DGB?

The next wagon to hit 4 votes is blitzo in VC 1.39

Spoiler: Blitzo Votes

Of note is this

Spoiler: Titus vote

That puts BM back to 4 in VC 1.40

This seems to be in response growing pressure on Titus that maxes out at VC 1.41

Spoiler: Titus votes

In post 547, Bell wrote:VOTE: titus
*hugs*

In post 1125, Haschel Cedricson wrote:Alright that was a lot of pages and surprisingly little substance.

A few notes.

Flea asks if I was joking about Pooky Sus or not. I was not joking.

In post 730, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 274, Haschel Cedricson wrote:
In post 270, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 250, Haschel Cedricson wrote:
In post 224, Flea The Magician wrote:So in theory it seems all tasks are a post restriction of some sort, I'd expect them all to be "short" style tasks.

O2 and Reactor MUST BE FIXED or imposters win.
Comms would be a global post restriction maybe?
Lights might hide kills?
...

What good can
possibly
come from this line of discussion?
People were asking, and I know some people enjoy setup spec.
Oh well if they enjoy it then I guess that's okay no wait the opposite of that.
Drops this like it's a bad fart, and promptly leaves. No contribution, no commitment, just ε=(｡◕ฺˇд ˇ◕ฺ｡）
Why did I not follow up on a conversation about a topic not being a great thing to talk about? It is a mystery.

Blitzo's iso bothers me. I like a lot of the questions he's asking, but I don't feel like there's a lot of follow-up.

Titus wrote:I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.

Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do

Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.

Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.
Option A has a big problem here. Can anybody else see what it is?

Her reads in 580 are terrible, too. Misrepresentation of my game + Wildly overreacting to BM's 254 + Appeal to meta + 3 reads with literally no substance behind them.
Unvote; Vote: Titus

Taly is by far my strongest townread for being the person who is visibly doing the most scumhunting. OutWorldER looks good too for similar reasons and also I like a lot of his posts.

That's all for now.

In post 1425, DrippingGoofball wrote:VOTE: Titus

Haschel, you with me?

In post 1442, Flea The Magician wrote:♪└(￣◇￣)┐♪ Wind Waltz / Confuse ♪└(￣◇￣)┐♪

In post 14, Titus wrote:*sees the RQS*

*puts a down payment on a condo in dead chat*
Hah! It ain't
that
bad. ◕‿↼

In post 144, Titus wrote:
In post 35, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:should we all claim task number? i see no reason not to

I have 2
I have one.
I plan on doing mine asap so I can pick up one of the other tasks and then do it.
I like this, nice and open and clear in intent.

In post 158, Titus wrote:
In post 153, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 148, Titus wrote:
In post 70, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 64, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:every1 claim what rooms you need for your tasks

i will excel it and figure out optimal pathing

alisae will probly do it faster and better
electricity room?

In post 71, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:wait you really only have 1 room to go to?
Same and it happens to be the same room.

So it looks like BM and I are sharing a room for the night.
goshdarn Titus, are you going to kill me?
Nope but given tasks can repeat, we may have the same task (if you're town). If not, you can't use your bonus kill on me. So I'm uneasily ok with staying with you.
We may have the same task if you're town... Scum might just mimic you and pretend to have the same task.
Then theres the "Well you can't bonus kill me, but I guess I'm ok with this..." which is a little odd? TMI or paranoid... not sure.

In post 184, Titus wrote:
In post 177, Akarin wrote:I wanna not do the RQS because I'm feeling grumpy and was gonna complain about it, but I like surveys

1)PR I want: Loyal Vig
2a)Scum miselim: Gamma
2b)Scum NK: Titus
2c)Scum buddy to be bussed by:
Taly

3)Mech-skill: decent but no one will listen to me
4)Candy: Maple candy, the kind that's just maple sugar that dissolves in your mouth, not the hard or artificial flavored stuff.
5a)Biggest strength: Townreading miselim-bait after initially scumreading them.
5b)Biggest Weakness: I'm too towny and care too much.

In post 11, Alisae wrote:I wanna do some RQS as well.
Green?
My real estate agent called. They said even less of a down payment is needed for my condo.
Oooooo you getting a good deal? [̲̅$̲̅(̲̅ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°̲̅)̲̅$̲̅]

In post 244, Titus wrote:
In post 234, Alisae wrote:
In post 221, Titus wrote:I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.

Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do

Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.

Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.
Cool ur with me
Ok great. Then Battle Mage can come too. I won't feel so awkward having someone I know there with me.
This makes the previous TMI or Paranoia look like TMI...
Bearing in mind I'm looking at this out of context of the rest of the thread.
Titus and BM initially, TMIs that BM can't use their bonus nightkill. Now Alisae is in Titus is more confident...

what... maybe I'm reading too much into this... My brain is doing the fuzzy wuzzies.

In post 272, Titus wrote:
In post 254, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 244, Titus wrote:
In post 234, Alisae wrote:
In post 221, Titus wrote:I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.

Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do

Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.

Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.
Cool ur with me
Ok great. Then Battle Mage can come too. I won't feel so awkward having someone I know there with me.
pfft, now i dont wanna come
You have a job to do.
BM potentially has 2 tasks, why suddenly so keen to keep them around? This is bad vibes...

In post 467, Titus wrote:My brain hurts. I have zero idea on how to approach this day play without wagons. My data is my crutch.

I kinda like Taly though.
So make one.

In post 522, Titus wrote:If we go the no elimination route, BM, Gamma and I should take the task of whomever dies. We can split up the tasks so that we can complete them tomorrow night.
Curious why these 2.

In post 580, Titus wrote:If I get mislimmed day one, there's little I can do. I have accepted that with this game state. I have an easy task if I slowly post day 2.

That being said, I do feel my wagon is scum driven though. Consensus is gathering around no elimination but yet people vote me for actually voting for it.

Here are my actual weak reads though.

HC is scum riding off town Reck's coattails to disrupt the game.

BM is scum for waiting on a consensus before voting me. His position on me is just hot garbage in his ISO. He appeared fine when it was just me and him going to electrical but sad when Ali was added to the mix. That would have three in electrical. Removing me makes two in electrical.

Taly and Flea are town because of their metas.

Pooky and Alisae are town.

Cakez is town.
WRONG! There's a LOT you can do, you know, like sharing information and reads, giving town information to work with and stuff.
HC read seems legit, BM read is suspicious at this point.

Reading me as town because of my meta....

Lets go further into this. I'm not a huge fan of meta because it's adaptable and exploitable.
I have 2 completed games on site as of this point I believe, 3 at most.
First game is my newbie game where I'm all over the damn place
Second game is Death Curse. I was a heavy lurker, when I did post it wasn't much until I came under threat and it was again, all over the place. This is also where I decided to change up my play style.
Third game was The Council, School Edition. I posted LOTS and streamed my thoughts fairly well and stubbornly latched on to Ali/Taly's hydra, ultimately getting NK'd night 1.

The Council is the closest to my play here, but still different enough to not be considered my play here.
Could you justify your meta read on me?

In post 592, Titus wrote:
In post 585, SirCakez wrote:Personally I feel OER or Bell are the more likely scums there, not BM
I find Bell's take on me interesting. It's more NAI but suggests a genuine fear of me. If he's town, he knows I can pull some pretty outrageous shit and would fear me. If he's scum, he knows he needs to shade me out of the gate due to my late game prowess if given space.

Starting a train on me serves both purposes.

I don't really have an alignment read on Bell for that reason.
Self meta'ing to read another player is genuinely interesting...

In post 594, Titus wrote:
In post 591, OutWorldER wrote:I'm still in vehement disagreement of No Elim being good here, especially considering recent events.

At the very least, I'd like to flip somebody with hard stances on it, flip Me/Reck or Pooky/Ali. Then use the alignment to determine who's right.
This thinking is a fallacy. It supposes all town think correctly and all scum push incorrectly. It also supposes one correct path. The correct path is to force scum into claiming tasks or get eliminated. This puts us closer towards winning regardless of who is right. Right now, there are no tasks to claim.
This is also interesting, and I'm curious how this would play out.
Given Titus is keen on BM scum I would think she'd push here. Self claimed to be dependant on data she's still on no lim instead of pushing for data.

EUUUUUUGH I did not want to come into this and get a scum read. I was coming in here hoping for a townlean...

The HC read seems strong for what evidence is presented, but still nolim?
Like this is WEIRD to me.

In post 1062, Titus wrote:
In post 1061, Akarin wrote:
In post 1055, MURDERCAT wrote:Everyone agrees this is bad though right? We need to at least let the people who want to group, group.
If it's like 5 people trying to group it's not much different than random is the point.

And no, I'm not sure everyone agrees this is bad. A lot of people keep saying things that make me think they
don't
actually agree this is bad.
Random means we don't accomplish tasks.

I'm not doing random. Period.
I really want to put a message here in Braille as a comment on random period, but I think it would count as encrypted message, even if I put the original text in because it probably couldn't be verified.

In post 1064, Titus wrote:
In post 1063, Akarin wrote:SIGH

I wasn't at any point suggesting going to random rooms.

The assumption of random is that everyone just doing one of their tasks amounts to random rooms, assuming roughly equal distribution of tasks among the rooms.
Except it doesn't. For instance, Alisae has two tasks. One takes her to electrical the other to another room. By actively selecting electrical, we force a room of three (assuming BM lives).

That's a strong reason for BM to live. He has to try and complete his one task and can have another passed off to him from the dead corpse. It's a win-win situation regardless of BM's alignment.
This feels dismissive and stubborn. "I AM RIGHT AND YOU ARE WRONG". I agree with Akarins #1066. The clarification didn't really leave room for misinterpretation here. Like it flagged me a bit at the time but I was a little bit focused on BM at the time.

In post 1083, Titus wrote:
In post 1081, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1064, Titus wrote:It's a win-win situation regardless of BM's alignment.
Not if he's scum????
It is.

We force him to take a task. It auto completes. If he refuses, we kill him.

The task lets us also control what room he goes to. So he's a liability to scum.
This seems legit logic though.
In post 1137, Titus wrote:
In post 1136, DrippingGoofball wrote:So sad that Taly rolled scum.
Why did she roll scum?

In post 1142, Titus wrote:
In post 1141, DrippingGoofball wrote:
In post 1137, Titus wrote:
In post 1136, DrippingGoofball wrote:So sad that Taly rolled scum.
Why did she roll scum?
I believe the roles are srandomly distributed. Luck of the draw.
Why do you think she rolled scum?

*exasperated tone*
And actually pushing something semi-decent. This seems kinda fake reaction though maybe, given how much shes been on BM's butt without the exasperation.

In post 1179, Titus wrote:Can we move on to no elimination and compliance? I am bored and this feels like an RVS that will last forever.
This pinged me a bit. Titus isn't daft, she knows this is the best chance we've got to communicate effectively and seems to be wanting to cut it short. And despite the strong read on BM still wants to nolim...
We're also WAAAAY out of RVS so this seem really dismissive of everything up to this point...

In post 1203, Titus wrote:
In post 1198, OutWorldER wrote:
In post 1179, Titus wrote:Can we move on to no elimination and compliance? I am bored and this feels like an RVS that will last forever.
This is an attitude I see both you and BM spouting and it's just like:

People have solid reads, wagons are being started, people are pushing.

Were also only 3 days into deadline.

How the fuck does this possibly feel like RVS? Why are you so quick to end the day; even if your going with Pooky's plan, there's still a lack of claims so ending the day early with a No Elim vote would be awful?
No one can die. No one should die. Therefore, these votes are meaningless.

We just have me take a task and force BM to take a task after ensuring no one dies. Provided I don't fuck up tomorrow, it leaves us in a great position.

That's the proper play IMO. I have said it a million times.
No one can or should die.
Why?
Going for task win exclusively is BAD as we don't know enough about the setup to know that's a fully achievable wincon. Think about it, assuming some poor soul has 2 long tasks, thats 4 days to victory.
Imposters can kill between 4 and 8. If it's 8 then there's 9 players left.
That's TOO EASY for town to win. There's got to be something here to screw with us. You're not daft. You would think of this.

I can't shift this bad juju feeling (⌯˃̶᷄ ﹏ ˂̶᷄⌯)
In post 1206, Titus wrote:
In post 1204, Akarin wrote:Yeah but if we can't convince at least a majority of the town then it doesn't amount to anything.
I think most of the town is on board. We're just dealing with a vocal minority, thanks to Reck. I think even those voting are on board with the grouping plan.

My action is already decided. Aside from watching, I don't see anything protown to do.
There's ALWAYS something protown to do. ALWAYS.

In post 1233, Titus wrote:
In post 1221, Taly wrote:VOTE: DippingGoofball

I want to start here. Undeveloped thoughts from this slot.
This is OMGUS.
This is something to note for later based on flips I think. This might be me being newbish though.
In post 1234, Titus wrote:
In post 1207, Taly wrote:I want Titus to explain her meta takes and evaluate their strength openly. I think her frustration to DGB is sincere and I want to lean in on the way she approaches this plist read wise.
What in particular?
I'm loving Taly, he's not disappointing my expectations at all.
This question asks for a few things but Titus feels evasive?
To me this reads as:
- Tell me your strengths.
- Explain your Meta reads.

In post 1237, Titus wrote:
In post 1235, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 1233, Titus wrote:
In post 1221, Taly wrote:VOTE: DippingGoofball

I want to start here. Undeveloped thoughts from this slot.
This is OMGUS.
Still more justification than most of Battle mages votes.

*not tunneling I swear - just kinda bored and scatterbrained lol*
No. Battle Mage is pretty transparently scum.
But no vote? When is a scum vote ever a bad vote?
When they're buddies?
I... I don't know at this point.

I'm definitely suspicious of this though, having had it pointed out Titus tried pocketing me by being mega agreeable with me in Death Curse (Seeing as the read on me is meta based, I'll return the favour).

In post 1328, Titus wrote:
In post 1305, Taly wrote:Meta. You townread Flea and I off of it in one of your early spews.
Compare this with Death curse.
I responded to this in my bumper catch up, and further up this post - but it's here again in case you missed it.
In post 1430, Flea The Magician wrote:You mean the game I lurked like hell and didn't wake up until I was on the chopping block?
That was the game where I decided to drop the filter and just think "stuff it lets go".
Also Titus isn't attempting to pocket me this time ★~(◡‿⊙✿)

In post 1418, Titus wrote:Alright, it seems like we finally have a consensus to be dumb. I'm not going to stop the dumbness so I might as well make the best of it.

VOTE: Battle Mage
This happened during my catchup, I don't feel the mood shifted enough to warrant this and it confused me a bit at the time.

V E R D I C T

VOTE: Titus
I can't shift the bad feeling

In post 1447, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:VOTE: titus

the reck endorsement all i needed

I actually think that this is now a second Flea vote that seems to be adding pressure to a wagon and, like I mentioned before, it's a big quote wall with not a lot of actual reasoning behind it. It really doesn't read like a Titus vote should follow that wall.

Finally, my wagon that maxes out in VC 1.47

Spoiler: MC Votes

My wagon is noticeably different from the others in the speed in which it developed. I think this is mostly due to a kind a stale gamestate.

As I said, outworld's vote on me is legitimate. Akarin, Reck, and Ali, all mentioned me before. I think the votes that are most interesting are cake and BM. I already discussed why I am wary of both those slots and why I am wary of BM's vote in particular. He did unvote me though, so I think that dulls it somewhat.

I am getting tired, but here are questions for myself tomorrow:

What happened around VCs 1.37 to 1.41? Were any of those wagons in response to a wagon on scum?
What to make of Flea's wall about my iso, that for some reason did not end in a vote on me?
What to make of TGP, who has had a weird progression on me (as I noticed while doing some of this).

Don't lim me thanks. Good night.

Akarin · Post Post #2182 (ISO) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:47 pm

N1 Plan Draft 1.0

Cafeteria

Akarin
Outworlder
Pooky

Electrical

Titus
Battle Mage
DGB
Blitzo

Security

TGP
Bell
Flea

Admin

Alisae
Taly
A Very Sad Gamma?

Comms

Cakez
Murdercat

Objections?

Something like this is probably ideal right now, then Gamma doesn’t have to be alone on N2.
If DGB or Blitzo have either Admin or Comms it would be good to claim one of those and go there first instead.

If we kill Murdercat I think Cakez should probably play it safe and we'll just have others accompany him on N2 and N3.

Important to talk this out now.

Akarin · Post Post #2183 (ISO) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:48 pm

If we Eliminate Haschel we don't have to adjust the plan around the elimination.

In all seriousness I think that's a plus.

Akarin · Post Post #2184 (ISO) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:52 pm

I think I more than mentioned MURDERKITTY before, I thought I was one of two people actively pushing for a wagon there.

Why does it feel like I slip under everyone's radar so much?

Akarin · Post Post #2185 (ISO) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:53 pm

On planning: We should aim to be the most efficient tonight, front load the efficient parts and do the inefficient stuff later. So there are fewer total tasks to be claimed due to NKs.

Akarin · Post Post #2186 (ISO) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:40 pm

Okay so a bit worried I poisoned the well against myself by pointing out the mech benefit first, but it's actually a really good reason independent of anything else unless Haschel is a townread. That said, I've been lightly scumreading him for quite a while and here's why:

The first thing is his entrance to the game: He comes in ready to talk a bit of mech and only slightly uncooperative. 5 actual minutes later, the plan is "bad and doomed to failure." And Pooky is sus for suggesting it. When Alisae asked him why, all he'd say was"If you don't know then now is certainly not the time to tell you." As if there were some mech reason. Later when I asked him again why this was worth giving scum a free NK (after my big example) his extremely persuasive reason was just "Because it gives the scum waaaaaaay too much room to maneuver and at the moment they have a lot more information about how to use game mechanics to their advantage than we do." That's it. Despite not wanting to tell Alisae earlier, and all the reasoning I gave, his 5 minute turn-around is just that strong.

Also, his desire to not at least engage with the reasoning around the plan, even if he doesn't enjoy it, is extremely hypocritical given his stance on other things:

In post 274, Haschel Cedricson wrote: Oh well if they enjoy it then I guess that's okay no wait the opposite of that.

Akarin · Post Post #2187 (ISO) » Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:56 pm

Then there's how he pushed Titus. Bell was voting there, I had just accused her of trying to deliberately muddy the water around my talk, Blitzo had called Titus scum but not voted, Alisae had Titus in er top 3 scum.

In post 1125, Haschel Cedricson wrote:
Titus wrote:I'm going to electrical. I'm doing my task.

Either a) scum kill me and leave less for y'all to do

Or b) scum kill elsewhere and I can get those tasks.

Agreeing to anything else seems stupid.
Option A has a big problem here. Can anybody else see what it is? (
Titus was wrong about the setup, why is this scummy? And why does Haschel understand this part of the setup but not the rest?)

Her reads in 580 are terrible, too. Misrepresentation of my game + Wildly overreacting to BM's 254 + Appeal to meta + 3 reads with literally no substance behind them.
Unvote; Vote: Titus

In post 580, Titus wrote:HC is scum riding off town Reck's coattails to disrupt the game.

It's a reasonable vote, but it doesn't seem like the strongest thing of all time. Despite that, Haschel treats her very hostilely after this point.

In post 1436, Haschel Cedricson wrote:So his voting pattern both makes him transparently scum and can't make you 100% sure he's scummy. Do I have that correct?

Like this doesn't seem like a damning contradiction to me.

Then there's the whole WHY ARE YOU DODGING THE QUESTION interaction: After Titus votes BM, Haschel: "Oh no. You of all people do not get to just drop a vote with no reasoning and walk away. Why Battle Mage over the other wagons? Does the case against Murdercat make sense?" Murdercat was the other wagon here, and at this point Haschel was saying the BM wagon was bad and Murdercat was good. I actually agree with that at that point in the game, but when Titus says BM has been her main scumread for ages Haschel makes this big weird deal about Titus apparently "dodging the question" of whether the Murdercat wagon makes sense. When Flareon asks what it is, Haschel insists that no one but Titus should answer. Like he's expecting some useful scumhunting trap out of not telling Titus what the Murdercat case is. When she eventually catches up, she says post 1953she has no idea why the wagon is a thing[/url].

Like this level of aggression from that read, and these sort of "gotcha" questions don't seem like real scumhunting to me. Titus wasn't voting MURDERCAT, so what was even the point? It served to put a lot of pressure on Titus but???

Taly · Post Post #2188 (ISO) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 1:37 am

In post 2105, OutWorldER wrote:people state they don't understand why Murder was wagoned and like:

I thought I made my case pretty clear?

Some people who were voting him didn't understand why

I'm worried I'm being pocketed and TR'd for superficial reasons.

If it eases you, I've been pretty upfront with my opinions of the

Murder

wagon and my townread on you began well before that wagon started.

Who do you think contributed most to the

MC

wagon disintegration?

In post 2181, MURDERCAT wrote: What happened around VCs 1.37 to 1.41? Were any of those wagons in response to a wagon on scum?
What to make of Flea's wall about my iso, that for some reason did not end in a vote on me?
What to make of TGP, who has had a weird progression on me (as I noticed while doing some of this).

Don't lim me thanks. Good night.

dw bb i got you

<3

I'll do some VCA myself soon for that first question.

I think

Flea

could be scum based on their pushes rather than how people perceive their content. It's not strong enough for me to pursue and I feel like

Flea

is an easier solve later...

Flea

is the only person in the plist at the moment I think could be pocketing me. But I'm not worried about it, tbh, and I'll avoid getting confbias here.

Congrats with that

TGP

insight, that's where I've been at.

In post 2182, Akarin wrote:
[plan]

Something like this is probably ideal right now, then Gamma doesn’t have to be alone on N2.
If DGB or Blitzo have either Admin or Comms it would be good to claim one of those and go there first instead.

If we kill Murdercat I think Cakez should probably play it safe and we'll just have others accompany him on N2 and N3.

Important to talk this out now.

I think this is the best plan so far if we all want to get the 2-nighter plans out of the way.

I don't think having ONE 2p room is bad IF it's planned.

The reasoning is that IF there's 2 NKs a night and we could verify that a 2p room existed, that narrows PoE, and may even discourage scum from NKing.

But that's as far as I go in condoning that course of action.

~

I want

Hachel

to respond to 2186 and 2187 and I want

Titus

to give input on

MC's

disposition of the wagons in 2181

Taly · Post Post #2189 (ISO) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 1:44 am

I also think 2-nighters MUST be in a 3p group, at the very least for the first night.

{Akarin/Taly/TGP (Provided His Survival)}

I feel I have a strong reason but I'd prefer not to say here.

Taly · Post Post #2190 (ISO) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 1:49 am

In post 2180, xRECKONERx wrote:i'm not reading 3 pages ping me if something is worth responding to

you dont have to comment on all or any but i think these are good posts to get a feel for the plist.

Spoiler: relevant posts methinks

In post 2108, SirCakez wrote:If we do go elim route then I want MC, TGP, Blitzo or Haschel

In post 2110, Alisae wrote:
In post 2108, SirCakez wrote:If we do go elim route then I want MC, TGP, Blitzo or Haschel
oh i could not care what happens to TGP
VOTE: TGP

In post 2115, OutWorldER wrote:A bunch of people said "I don't know why MC was wagoned" and then suddenly the wagon stopped.

Which is the thing I was questioning. I thought I made myself pretty clear.

In post 2120, Alisae wrote:you know what sure
I'll vote haschel too
fuck it

In post 2122, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 2119, Bell wrote:Murderkitty,
I think it's normal for you to do little D1, I also think that without Noraa sucking up all the attention you're gunna get pressured for it early game day and that you'd have some kind of motivation to try and solve based on that or at least live.

I don't think it makes sense that he didn't vote titus, but voted TGP after saying he felt he would die if he tried to vote titus opportunisticaly.

You're here Murderkitty. Respond?
Yeah I'm here. TGP isn't a real wagon, looks less opportunistic (well to everyone except TGP). It's effectively still a no elim vote, but it's showing support to Taly who I think 1. Needs it and 2. Deserves it.

I think I have given reads on everyone in the game. I am solving. I need more info. That could be an elim but night kills and neighbors also work.

In post 2132, Akarin wrote:MURDERCAT
Battle Mage
No Elim
TGP
Titus

In post 2145, Blitzo wrote:I really don't like how Gamma is constantly throwing my name down here.
He says I'm town but I keep showing up in his lim pool, and I have no wagon.
Gamma's play has raised question marks for me before though and wound up being town so maybe wait and see.

In post 2156, Akarin wrote:VOTE: Haschel

Let's mix it up.

In post 2163, Gamma Emerald wrote:Okay actually looking at the mod ISO the MCat wagon never dropped by more than 1 vote per VC
So now I’m quite curious where this allegation of it “dissolving” really even comes from?

In post 2165, Akarin wrote:I guess I'd say Cakez, Taly, Pooky, and BM. And I'm townreading Taly and Pooky.

I guess maybe I contributed too, at least stealing away momentum, but the wagon was feeling like it was going too quickly when I checked in last night and I wanted to make sure it didn't hammer before I got time to come back to the game.

Mcat/Aka

also have had big brain posts on THIS page.

Taly · Post Post #2191 (ISO) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 1:53 am

In post 2177, Thestatusquo wrote:
VoteCount 1.59

titus [4]
haschel cedricson pookythemagicalbear battle mage gamma emerald

MURDERCAT [3]
outworldER xRECKONERx thegoldenparadox

Battle Mage [3]
blitzo DrippingGoofball titus

thegoldenparadox [3]
taly murdercat alisae

sircakez [1]
bell

Haschel Cedricson [1]
Akarin

no elim [1]
sircakez

Not Voting [1]
flea the magician

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-08 15:40:31)

nani

9 hrs till deadline.

Battle Mage · Post Post #2192 (ISO) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:12 am

come on Taly, Titus is a better vote than TGP.

Taly · Post Post #2193 (ISO) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:23 am

but me feels bad if we lim town

titus

and

alisae

sees town there

i know this may seem irrational because holistically the

TGP/Flea/Titus/DGB

team makes sense to me... or I believe at least 2 scum reside here, with

TGP

slightly more likely as scum.

i really want

Titus/Haschel/TGP

to follow up soon, i can make the strongest decision in this scenario.

Taly · Post Post #2194 (ISO) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:25 am

if you want to help

BM

, elaborate on what

Titus

-scum's angle here is in regards to her vote, the wagons, and her POV of the game.

you probably think youve beat this to death already but i think this is the one time to repeat the thoughts.

Taly · Post Post #2195 (ISO) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:30 am

you know what, just remove the solve for a bit instead of trying to rationalize it, it may dissipate into thin air before D2.

i need to just focus on the wagons at this point.

Battle Mage · Post Post #2196 (ISO) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:35 am

while im at work, focus on the fact me and Gamma are actually united on the Titus wagon.

That is borderline absolute confirmation she is scum here.

Taly · Post Post #2197 (ISO) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:39 am

In post 1203, Titus wrote:We just have me take a task and force BM to take a task after ensuring no one dies. Provided I don't fuck up tomorrow, it leaves us in a great position.

I smell a crumb somewhere on here.

Why does scum-

titus

vote for any popular wagons unless she thinks she can't actually no lim? This POV makes some sense because no-limming option has had week-long resistance.

My biggest vex is the

BM

tunnel and insistence that we're all still in RVS even though she has prompted scumhunting earlier in the game.

Her thought process does not feel very clear but I don't know if that's TMI'ing something TAI or SAI.

Taly · Post Post #2198 (ISO) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 2:51 am

In post 2196, Battle Mage wrote:while im at work, focus on the fact me and Gamma are actually united on the Titus wagon.

That is borderline absolute confirmation she is scum here.

What is the significance of

you/Gamma

agreeing on

Titus

?

I'll be back soon.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #2199 (ISO) » Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:06 am

Stuffit, I like the walls, people are gunna moan either way. Don't like it? unlucky! nyeh! ε=ε=((( ^-x-^)ﾉ

But people don't want my fluffy awesome chaotic self, so I'm going to sulk while I do this because ya'll are buzzkills.

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