Open 801: Trust Fall (Game Over)

[Necessary Sneasel]

how pretentious and non-brief.

[Equinox]

Trust Count 2.08

Gloria Cleary (1) - Necessary Sneasel

Not Trusting (7) - Fidget, Gloria Cleary, Jake The Wolfie, PookyTheMagicalBear, Rainbow Reads, shellyc, Akarin

The deadline is Thursday, December 17, 2020, at 8:00 PM EST (UTC-5), which is in (expired on 2020-12-17 20:00:00).

[Necessary Sneasel]

I forgot I trusted Gloria - I won't untrust that but I think she should leave with shelly, or one of akarin/fidget as a compromise, rather than me.

[Gloria Cleary]

I’m convinced they’re scum because they said that didn’t want either Pooky or Jake to get paired, plus Hectic associatives, plus Hectic calling being opposed to RR/Jake leaving proscum, plus Fidget’s RR metacheck, so I can just not respond to them I guess but I think they’re already caught and their complaints about me are just excuses. I would prefer to leave when everyone is onboard with RR never getting paired because I believe if they escape we lose.

I’ll just not engage them then if that will help but honestly think it’s beyond obvious. If they wanted to be “read” it would have happened already. I think that’s what they want me gone, so that they can manipulate everyone else.

[Necessary Sneasel]

You're probably right but you're also confbiased, which means RR's narrative is that they feel oppressed by how confident you are about them being scum. If they don't feel confident that they can play the game with you here, that narrative isn't going to change.

I understand that it's hard to empathize with RR on this. RR needs to engage more with the game, and you're town so we need to remove you at some point. Why not do both of them together?

[shellyc]

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[shellyc]

I support last-pair of RR/pooky and am going to trustfall sneasel in the next 24 hours

[Gloria Cleary]

You're probably right but you're also confbiased, which means RR's narrative is that they feel oppressed by how confident you are about them being scum. If they don't feel confident that they can play the game with you here, that narrative isn't going to change.

I understand that it's hard to empathize with RR on this. RR needs to engage more with the game, and you're town so we need to remove you at some point. Why not do both of them together?

It’s not about empathy it’s about scum getting a foothold. I don’t believe I’m “confibiased”, confibiased means it’s just my opinion, where as all of the available evidence - which I’ve already laid out the points - very clearly leads directly to them.

This isn’t some gut hunch, there’s Hectic posts, meta evidence and RR’s own posts in this game as compared to everyone else’s that lead me to the extremely confident conclusion of RR!scum.

[Gloria Cleary]

I support last-pair of RR/pooky and am going to trustfall sneasel in the next 24 hours

If Fidget is okay with it, I support this.

[Necessary Sneasel]

It’s not about empathy it’s about scum getting a foothold. I don’t believe I’m “confibiased”, confibiased means it’s just my opinion, where as all of the available evidence - which I’ve already laid out the points - very clearly leads directly to them.

I think you're attributing too much negativity to confirmation bias. Confirmation bias on correct reads wins mafia games - I think you're probably confirmation biased on a correct read.

Some of the stuff you're highlighting makes a bunch of sense with scum!RR, some of it is just content which could kind of happen regardless of RR's alignment.

Either way, RR doesn't feel that they can play the game while you're here. You're town so at some point we'll need to TF you. I sincerely think there's a huge benefit in removing you sooner and leaving RR in the game so they either feel comfortable engaging, or if they're scum as we all suspect, need to change their narrative.

I think you're right. All I'm saying by confbiased is that I think you're absolutely certain that you're right - I don't think that's an unfair comment.

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going to trustfall sneasel in the next 24 hours

No objection.

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You won't even talk to me, Rainbow?

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[Akarin]

Let's say we never pair you. Who would you pair of Jake-Sneasel-Pooky? Why?

And thanks for humoring me.

[Rainbow Reads]

Let's say we never pair you. Who would you pair of Jake-Sneasel-Pooky? Why?

And thanks for humoring me.

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[Akarin]

Thanks.

You're right that I don't have anything else that comes to mind to ask.

[Jake The Wolfie]

@Gloria

If you really do TR me, then trust me. I won't accept your proposal.

[Gloria Cleary]

@Gloria

If you really do TR me, then trust me. I won't accept your proposal.

I would do that if it came down to Pooky, RR and you and Pooky refused me.

I don’t want to leave the game yet, so I don’t want to trust anyone rn.

However, I won’t object if someone else trusts you.

[Necessary Sneasel]

Gloria, propose who should leave the game before you.

[Jake The Wolfie]

@Gloria

If you really do TR me, then trust me. I won't accept your proposal.

I would do that if it came down to Pooky, RR and you and Pooky refused me.

I don’t want to leave the game yet, so I don’t want to trust anyone rn.

However, I won’t object if someone else trusts you.

There is only 1 scenario in which you would leave the game, and that is in your loss.

[Gloria Cleary]

Gloria, propose who should leave the game before you.

I ship you and Shelley

for now

That leaves me and two other confitown + Pooky, Jake, RR.

[Gloria Cleary]

@Gloria

If you really do TR me, then trust me. I won't accept your proposal.

I would do that if it came down to Pooky, RR and you and Pooky refused me.

I don’t want to leave the game yet, so I don’t want to trust anyone rn.

However, I won’t object if someone else trusts you.

There is only 1 scenario in which you would leave the game, and that is in your loss.

What do you mean? I don’t think we lose unless someone trusts RR.

[shellyc]

I trust Sneasel

sorry if this loses the game town

[Gloria Cleary]

I trust Sneasel

sorry if this loses the game town

I don’t see why scum!Sneasel tries to push me out of the game to help town!RR. So, good with this because obviously I think it’s the converse.