Guns & Roses V [Game Over]

[Akarin]

Without power roles there's really no good explanation for Duns early play here.

What's this part about?

[Bell]

If you're a power role getting to night and doing your thing is usually more effective than whatever you do during the day if you're not a GOAT.

[Bell]

Let me reword,
Iso dunnstral.
From my POV the only thing he's done so far has been to shade town me.
That sends like every alarm Bell I have off.

[Akarin]

Okay so it's like almost 6 AM and I haven't slept and I'm admittedly townreading Dunn's avatar with like 50% of my brain here,

but

this post, for one, doesn't seem like it's shading you. Don't see that much about you until your revote on him. (I mean, obviously don't see much at all, but grading on a curve)

If he didn't want attention on him, he'd post less, surely

[Akarin]

Comments like that from a few people are part of why I said "still" and had half expected Hiraki to have reevaluated a little bit an was surprised by the "too scummy to be scum" comment btw.

Like I really don't think that's anyone's defense of you, Bell. Was hoping if it was people would say so when I asked about it but whatever

[Bell]

It's 3 am here. Such dedication, also go to bed.
Also, plz don't town read avatars.

I don't disagree with 87, I initially misinterpreted that post and ended up arguing against it. Rather the wording was vague enough that I ~think~ I misinterpreted it.

it's not really a whatever kind of thing Akarin, scum be draggin' their feet.

[Akarin]

Don't worry, I only townread avatars when it's past my bedtime. And Dunn's in particular because it's wonderful.

[Akarin]

Gún and DGB have the other best avatars, if anyone is curious.

[Uncrowned]

i'm so fucking offended right now wtf

[Uncrowned]

everyone knows kakashi is an OG

[Dunnstral]

Bell your reason to vote me keeps changing

If you're implying I never low post as town without a pr you're wrong

[Hiraki]

PSA: Deadline is in just under 2 days unless there is an extension because JohnnyFarrar hasn't posted in this thread since Monday. Tanner also isn't too far off from prod range.

[Albert B. Rampage]

V/LA 48H

[JohnnyFarrar]

Raise your hand if you forgot you were in this game? I'll be here in a minute

[Mr Sandman]

And this too, specifically how you were also getting 3-4 townreads on page 1.

Tanner:

i am slightly +town on bell for post 16. it struck me as an anti-town thing to say, however it rings like one of those anti-town things that scum are less likely to say. if it's accurate, his post felt like a "warning" to scum about albert - that i imagine scum would probably keep to a scum pt.

Johnny:

Your answer sets you up to have to bus your buddies before you even know whether you want to or not.
Or at least vote them at inopportune times.

It's not very strong, rvs etc. But gut.

It wasn't 3-4 reads, where did you think the 4th was anyway? Bell immediately 2nd guessed the Hiraki read.

I think Bell looking at these things this way is town indicative of Bell. (And Tanner for similar reason.)

I don't know if I agree on the Dunn read or not but my ability to read Dunn off so little is probably compromised right now by things that have nothing to do with this game. I'll need more from him before I have a read.

It was an approximate remembrance of the total number of reads. I'm fairly sceptical of anyone being able to have a strong read off that amount of content, and given that Bell said that he's not particularly confident in his scum hunting ability it seemed contradictory that he coupled that with so many reads immediately given.

As I've mentioned, I wouldn't consider myself great at reads, and I certainly wouldn't consider myself confident to have multiple reads on multiple people before even a full page of content is produced.

I think Akarin is quite likely to be mafia and could be a partner for Bell. She entered the thread sussing me but wi try out saying why beyond “I don’t like his post about Bell”. But she didn’t actually explain what she didn’t like.

Why do you think scum is likely to come into the thread sussing you without saying why?

It's two different points. I think you would enter the thread sussing me if I am applying pressure to your partner. I think you would plausibly not give a reason because you have no reason (your motivation is protecting your partner) but you do have a strategic need/desire to sus me from the beginning.

I see we have three votes on Dunnstral, what’s up with that? I’ll probably catch up in the morning, unless I do it now.

Also I noticed while peeking in earlier there’s some complaints about roleplaying, I don’t plan to myself but I won’t discount it entirely. I do think the idea of it being a scum façade might hold weight though?

Welcome. I somewhat like this, but would note a couple of points: if dunnstral is scum, I think Gamma Emerald could be a partner. I also think that in that case it's likely the roleplayers are town.

[Bell]

Bell your reason to vote me keeps changing

If you're implying I never low post as town without a pr you're wrong

Yup, votes are dynamic.
I know you low post, but not even a gut ping by page what, page 17?
No, but you've always been a PR when you've been at your most inactive from my personal experiene, with the least content and the fewest takes.

[Bell]

Perhaps, I should say you'd be more justified. If you were a PR for your current lack of anything resembling...anything.

[Mr Sandman]

Now, sorry for bein' off for a day or so... had a hunt that went all out of sorts, but I'm back. And since you guys seem like genuine hunters, I'll invoke a certain ritual that we're told rarely to touch...

Spoiler:

I will try to make my persona/character more 'readable' though I think that it is already if people genuinely do not like it that much. However, I'll also say that (and I suppose this is because I came into this game knowing I was going to play this sort of character) I find the read of 'roleplay as obfuscation' a very weak line of thought and easy pickings for people to post about in lieu of doing actual scumhunting.

This is much appreciated, thank you.

are the cases on gun and rose actually 'i won't read roleplaying, might as well flip them' or am i missing something?

I believe it is slightly beyond that -- of whether the roleplaying is designed to actually make their posts harder to read, which is something that would be likely motivated by their alignment(s). The fact that both are doing it makes that somewhat less likely, as it would be quite a stroke of luck if both were scum. However, their posts which are very role-play based are still harder to parse and in lieu of a clear scumread on someone else I would be open to voting there as I think it will be harder to sort them on later days compared to players with a better communication style.

i like Akarin

VOTE: Hiraki

Please explain why.

He's acknowledging the chimney boy is starting conflicts by being inflammatory, but also saying he's suspicious for trying not to engage in conflicts."

Upon hearing the comment from Rose, a man in a navy three-piece suit and a questionable top hat frowned, tapping his chin a couple times in thought. Of course, Rose and Gun would come to know of this man as Uncrowned, a regular presence in the town's guard and a man with a reputation that preceded him: Brave, charming, intelligent, observant, open-minded, honorable, loyal and most importantly - as modest as they came.

"Now, I wouldn't be so sure about that, friend."

he said, a dubious tone evident in his voice.

"That Mr. Sandman said a lot, but I'm not sure he was calling the conflict starting suspicious. The way he finessed his way out of that lil' scuffle, though? Now that was something I think out friend had real issue with, don't ya think?"

He took off his hat, whisking it into a bottomless bag strapped to his side. Now he truly reflected his name.

"Uncrowned, at your service. Some call me the Lone Ranger. Others a Keeper of the Peace. But me? Well..."

he chuckled.

"I just like to call myself the Hatless Man."

he said, the poor joke earning him little but for a tumbleweed that solemnly rolled across the otherwise unmoving scene.

"Pleasure to be acquainted, Mr. Hatless Man," Rosé paused for a moment, noticing the dubious tone that was evident in his voice.

"I noticed there's some dubious tone evident in your voice and this rather concerns me," Rosé hesitated, raising her eyebrows. "You question my prowess in investigating? I have a lot of experience over the years, Gún could certainly tell you! Anyways,

I think a large part of the vigilante-reporter's argument was that the chimney boy was attempting to avoid conflict, not wanting to antagonize the dusty peasant

. However, this was in fact not the case, as the little chimney boy

was

inflammatory at parts, which the reporter akwloedged in his column."

Rosé smiled and placed the tumbleweed back in her pocket, hoping the Lone Ranger hadn't noticed her roll it across the floor earlier.

This was not and is not my argument. My argument is that Bell was attempting to present himself as an active and dynamic player through being confrontational and feisty. His attempt to then immediately back off when that was met with pressure in return instead of with a townread is what was scummy. If the logic for the initial behaviour was "mafia would care more about being perceived well" that's still not a good reason to get into a powerful conflict with someone who is apparently a strong scumhunter on D1, therefore there was a lot of motivation for Bell to try to paint it as a TvT conflict from early on and to try to avoid it progressing into a more serious fight.

Uncrowned has a good reads list and seems towny.

what part of it is great? the one where you're my top SR, the other two SRs or the TRs?

This is a good point and I think another reason to be suspicious of Akarin. Would you consider voting for Akarin, Uncrowned?

Bell is pingy as well

Easily given townreads, refusal to engage when called out

Agree

I am curious to see what you make of Iconeum's later reversal of his position.

[Mr Sandman]

I asked because it seemed strange for you to at once dismiss it as scummy (in which case, it's a pointless tool) and yet to answer it at the same time (which would imply you think it has some utility).

I think one useful thing it's given us so far is that Bell described himself as not being very strong as scumhunting in his answer to point 3, but he seems to have been surprisingly confident in the reads he's given out so far. Particularly, if his read on Dunnstral was not a joke that's a strong incongruence.

Pretty sure Ico was giving troll answers.
As for Bell’s scumhunting ability, scumhunting and townhunting are distinct skills.

Oh. I suppose that could be true but I thought his later response to my question about why he bothered to do it implied that he was answering earnestly.

It was funny, really. For a brief moment our roles were reversed, Gún strategizing and willing me forward with her words of encouragement, and I taking the sword, or trident in this case; plunging it true into the werewolf's heart. A loud hissing sound and burrows of smoke marked the monster's demise, as the gleaming silver vaporized it's flesh and it's heart abruptly gave out.

I looked over at Gún shimmering delightfully in the moonlight. The full moon may give these creatures strength, but it paled in comparison to the beautiful bond we shared underneath it.

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. Quite the assortment of events had unraveled in the early hours of the morning. A loud and rowdy chimney boy named Bell had been picking fights across multiple taverns. He was full of fight and vigor that one, and Gún and I both took an early liking to him. His temper may be short and his passion high, but his thoughts and intentions seemed pure at heart.

A strange tiptoer going around town caught our eye. His nametag displayed Albert B. Rampage. We debated for a while on whether Rampage was his real name or if he just thought it sounded cool, and eventually agreed that the B probably stood for Barricaded, as that's how he felt in the way he carefully maneuvered around the town, talking about nothing more than his opinions on guns and roses.

We also had the pleasure of talking with the King of the city. Uncrowned was a commanding yet humble ruler, and his presence calmed both of our fears, giving us hope for this city's future yet, despite all of the horrible rumors circling around. Uncrowned had a good list of people he could trust, and suspects he was keeping an eye on, and we promised we would assist him any way that we could.

Finally, we came across a man who was staring very intently off into the center of town, his eyes on the city.

it took me... over 30 minutes to write this post. sigh.

"Hi there! I'm Rosé. I saw your transcript earlier and I like that you admitted this without shame, but could I ask why it took so long?"

This post is legitimately 10% content. This isn’t good on any level.

Agreed, in addition to the fact that I believe Rosé has been voting me throughout the day but has been doing so based on an argument that I never actually made and has not (I don't think, I have been struggling to get through the RP posts) tried to engage me about that.

Scum are more likely to roleplay too. I love getting into character when I'm about to put a knife in someone's back.

Does the multi-quote feature not work across multiple pages?

Yeah
What I do in situation where I’m trying to multiquote across several pages is I cut+paste each portion as I go along, by quoting everything I want to respond to on X page, writing my responses, and then I (assuming I have existing work in the clipboard) paste in stuff from previous pages, and select all + cut the whole text.

Thank you, but I think my current method of multi quoting everything from the page I'm looking it and posting multiple times in sequence is more manageable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra

Why’d you do this unprompted? Seems a bit odd.

27 minutes til interview now seems like a good time to answer this.

Are you scum for asking this pointless question.
Or are you scum for weighing in on the hiraki/Bel interaction and deciding that one of us looks better than the other, instead of whether either of us are scum.
Though yes, town reading me for Wikipedia linking is silly.
Akarin got -town points for that.

@Sandman, just because I have terrible reads and am terrible at this game doesn't mean I have no playstyle. This is a pretty typical opening for me.

Dun hasn't budged.

VOTE: Akarin
VOTE: Gamma
VOTE: Dunstral

Meh on the fluff/to content Rose-to-gun-ratio.

Bell, I'm not considering you scum for your playstyle, unless you're saying that your playstyle is to provoke and then back-off immediately in which case maybe I am. I'm voting you because I think that your process of doing that could be for reasons that would benefit you-as-scum more than you-as-town.

Generally:

I like hiraki’s posting so far. Seems like he’s trying his best to scumhunt and I think he came out of his conversation with Bell looking a lot better.

I’m really struggling to care enough to read Gún and Rosé because of their roleplaying. I tentatively agree with ABR that this could be a form of obfuscation. I hope the gimmick is not going to last all game.

I think Akarin is quite likely to be mafia and could be a partner for Bell. She entered the thread sussing me but wi try out saying why beyond “I don’t like his post about Bell”. But she didn’t actually explain what she didn’t like.

I think DGB is likely to be town, and the same for Tanner, for reasons provided above.

Uncrowned, could you explain more about what you’re seeing in iconeum’s posting?

Bell is still coming across as scummy to me, and I’d like to see more from both of Johnny and Dunnstral.

What’s challenging about Gun’s posting? His roleplay seems pretty benign at this point, it’s essentially just at the level of flavor text. It makes his posts interesting but still intelligible.
I agree Hiraki seems like town. I get about the same vibe I remember of him from 2fold 2d3.
I think both Akarin and Bell might be scum, but I don’t think both are simultaneously rn.

I'm just struggling to parse it for the bits most relevant to actual gameplay vs the bits which are just being flavourful. I also have a limited amount of time to play and so having to try to do what feels like close reading of text just to find out what they think is frustrating.

Can you expound on why you don't think Akarin and Bell would be scum together? That seems perfectly likely to me. If they're not mafia together, which do you think is more likely to be mafia? And would you be willing to vote there with me?

[Mr Sandman]

I got the job.
Probably hopefully.

Congratulations!

Well it probably doesn’t mean much but I’m still curious.

The best I have for you is that I'm a little more creative and experimental when i roll town so, expect some variance?
This is what I mean tho, it's weird that you don't expect me to vary somewhat. Rather this is the kind of "They're DIFFERENT!" surface shading I would expect from scum, but, not, ya know town.
Though I did notice the Dunstral WKING which is very much town you. So that's conflicting information that.

In the scenario that dnnstral /is/ town this sounds very much like a case of being informed. It's notable that the general perception of dunnstral is that he's neutral/scummy (I find him fairly neutral) so why is Bell calling out gamma's defending of dunnstral as white knighting and not as scum defending a buddy. I like Gamma Emerald so far, but dunnstral being scum would certainly make me reconsider that.

But I thought we were all agreeing that having thoughts on page 1 was for scumlords!

Buddying detected.
Are you my town buddy or a scumbuddy.

Obviously your scum buddy.

^This interaction seemed very forced to me and following on from that:

As for why Dunstral, it's RVS and whatever my reasons are they are by definition bad reasons because it's RVS.

Basically tho, it's cause he voted out the gate and has been awkward ever since.

Just need ABR and DGB to chime in on this now

Aw, yes.

Buddy/buddy interaction.

Bell noticed AWKWARD because buddies always sound awkward. And then when he noticed a little bit too much awkward, he started bus'ing on day 1 to trade a liability for some town cred.

I wonder if it'll work.

DGB, did you not feel the same way about the Bell/Akarin interaction above? To me it looks a lot like two people who think they need to have interaction in thread but don't really have anything to talk about regarding the game or solving, so post fluff and jokes between themselves.

[Bell]

I can’t tell if sandman is fake tunneling or not.

[Mr Sandman]

How have I been awkward?

Imagine going to a potluck and you're the only one that didn't bring anything.

This is a non-answer

Yes. How would you feel about voting here?

I've RVS "scumread" Dunnstral for a while.... I am not voting for him now and I haven't decided where I want to vote yet.

May I suggest voting for Bell?

[Bell]

If i’m not scum who is scum sandman?

[Mr Sandman]

I can’t tell if sandman is fake tunneling or not.

How is this a tunnel? Thinking you are scum does not, by default, mean that I am tunnelled.

[Mr Sandman]

I think my main suspects would all be contained within:

Bell, Akarin, Rosé, Iconeum, JohnnyFarrar