Guns & Roses V [Game Over]

[Bell]

No, but i’m seeing either fake confirmation via or real confirmation bias.
Your house of cards where i’m The foundation for all your other reads and interactions is a scaffolding that falls apart the second I flip.

Dunnstral’s already voting me btw.

[Bell]

I think my main suspects would all be contained within:

Bell, Akarin, Rosé, Iconeum, JohnnyFarrar

You don’t suspect dunnstral?

[Bell]

No, I want reasons, not a list.

[Mr Sandman]

Dunnstral is more on the neutral side to me than the actively scum side. There's also the fact that things seem to be defaulting towards his execution and I would imagine that scum would be trying to resist that, whereas I am not seeing a lot of pressure on any of the people I suspect.

[Bell]

If i’m NOT scum who is scum?
Who’s the counter wagon to my wagon?
Why is there a distinct lack of interest in Dunnstral who is contentless?

[Bell]

Dunnstral is more on the neutral side to me than the actively scum side. There's also the fact that things seem to be defaulting towards his execution and I would imagine that scum would be trying to resist that, whereas I am not seeing a lot of pressure on any of the people I suspect.

How are they defaulting towards his execution when I have more votes than him?

[Bell]

Dunnstral is more on the neutral side to me than the actively scum side. There's also the fact that things seem to be defaulting towards his execution and I would imagine that scum would be trying to resist that, whereas I am not seeing a lot of pressure on any of the people I suspect.

Uh, aren’t you suspecting me. Am I not under pressure?

[Mr Sandman]

Why would I spend a lot of time entertaining you not being scum when that's my most likely prediction for the game? But, that being said, it's possible that Akarin could be white knighting you there, as could Rosé. Iconeum I would need to re-evaluate but mostly he seems to be very flexible in what he believes and I'm not sure the reasons really add up, with one example being his change on you, another being his sheep vote on Hiraki. JohnnyFarrar has done truly nothing (not even push back at anyone) and could be scum who just doesn't know what to do.

You are not the top wagon, dunnstral is. Therefore, dunnstral is the counter wagon to you trying to be wagoned. I suppose if you are town the chances of dunnstral being scum and piggybacking onto your wagon are possible, but that seems unlikely as it's currently only me and Hiraki, who I think are both town, and who scum are not that keen to see go through.

I think there seems to be a reasonable amount of interest in dunnstral, the votes just haven't followed yet? If he's the compromise candidate, which is how it seems, there's no need for scum to run the wagon up early if they feel confident that he'll be compromised on in the end.

[Mr Sandman]

Dunnstral is more on the neutral side to me than the actively scum side. There's also the fact that things seem to be defaulting towards his execution and I would imagine that scum would be trying to resist that, whereas I am not seeing a lot of pressure on any of the people I suspect.

How are they defaulting towards his execution when I have more votes than him?

This is untrue as of the last VC I saw.

Dunnstral is more on the neutral side to me than the actively scum side. There's also the fact that things seem to be defaulting towards his execution and I would imagine that scum would be trying to resist that, whereas I am not seeing a lot of pressure on any of the people I suspect.

Uh, aren’t you suspecting me. Am I not under pressure?

I am, I mean aside from me (and Hiraki). There seem to be a lot of people suspecting dunnstral or at least nobody calling him town other than maybe Gamma Emerald. You do have a number of supporters helping to alleviate pressure from me and Hiraki. In the case that today is a compromise, it seems more likely that the person nobody town reads will be executed than the person that some people do.

[Mr Sandman]

Note to self: need to finish catching up on pages 14-17 inclusive.

I have to go now. I may be available again tomorrow.

[Bell]

Look sandman.
There are a lot of potential explanations.

Dunstral and I are both town so scum don’t care.
Dunstral is scum so they’re trying to avoid pushing at him when they usually would because it’s easy.
The scum team is mostly or entirely in the inactive section and everything is mostly town driven and the town is eating itself because scum don’t exist in the town’s minds.
If you believe that people are discernible and that players get more discernible as the game goes on, what does that say about you that you’re scum reading the highest content poster in the game?

[Gamma Emerald]

PSA: Deadline is in just under 2 days unless there is an extension because JohnnyFarrar hasn't posted in this thread since Monday. Tanner also isn't too far off from prod range.

V/LA 48H

VOTE: Bell
If ABR's not gonna justify his Dunn vote I don't feel okay voting there today.

[Gamma Emerald]

Can you expound on why you don't think Akarin and Bell would be scum together? That seems perfectly likely to me. If they're not mafia together, which do you think is more likely to be mafia? And would you be willing to vote there with me?

I think their in-sync-ness doesn't seem like scum grouping, I think one of them is just buddied maybe. My vote answers the second and third questions.

[Bell]

Gamma why are you voting me.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think you're engaging people with town motivation here

[Bell]

Elaborate.
Since that’s obviously untrue.

[Bell]

actually don’t elaborate. I don’t care about why you’re wrong and why you’re unable to use your meta knowledge of me to discern my alignment this game.

[Gamma Emerald]

why do you think this is a meta read?

[Bell]

I don’t, I think you’re just not using it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Then why bring it up the way you did?

[Bell]

I hate being voted and I want to go on a long diatribe about why everyone sucks. But the. I’ll be dead instead.

I guess when I did time i’ll Just lay out everything i thought and hope everyone isn’t totally incompetent at recognizing the truth?

[Bell]

Because you use meta and you white knight people and give off crazy reads all the time.
You seem confident in meta and use it regularly.
Why not here? What’s stopping you from using it?

[Bell]

I don’t have a huge amount from iconeum but they wanted to day vig me in the last game we were in together so, at least they’re consistent.

[Gamma Emerald]

I try not to use meta as a crutch. I think it's a good side dish, not so much a full meal. If I can explain a read without it I will do my best to.

[Bell]

I don't think Uncrowned and Gamma are scum together. Due to the earlier interaction about asking for a TR. I'd be surprised if they were. I know probably nobody ares or will use it going forward but I'll probably complete a readslist at some point and you can do what yo will with it, even though it will be of limited usefuness and accuracy due to activity issues and limited AI moves.

I have a minor town read on Hiraki. Due to gut and trying to get the game going in their own way. It's at least fair sportsmanship if the scum team are all lurked out and it's a town eating itself thing. Perhaps I should say it's well intentioned. Though I have done similar prodding about activity as scum before. Sorry for fence sitting, but that's life in a nutshell.

@Sandman, It was RVS, I go with gut feelings and hot takes to get the game going and fake confidence early game. I will eventually get around to thought spewing more than I already am per 445. But I'm trying not to neglect otherstuff.