BooneyToonz XIV: A Little Boonie Told Me [END]

[Happy Unbirthday Boon]

I have not read back yet but none of those claims are real.

Ari can you expand on why this was your take about the ascetic claims?

[Aristophanes]

I have not read back yet but none of those claims are real.

Ari can you expand on why this was your take about the ascetic claims?

Okay so i just looked back at posts 1-84 for "claims" and am going to go through some thoughts.

The fuck how are u first it's my job >:C

Anyways claiming Town Parallel Universe (Ascetic) brb in ~2 hours

Possibly true actually. Tho why is Parallel Universe Ascetic and not a Commute?

Anyways claiming Town Parallel Universe (Ascetic) brb in ~2 hours

Vanilla Noraa
I harm claims

-norbear

I mean, obviously fake.

Oh god no pls don't

dont what?

also we are ascetic... interesting.

this and the above post were taylor

This is Shelly now right? Has shelly confirmed being a "parallel universe" flavour as well?

I am having troubles posting with the hydra account. I have informed Boonskiies.

For now, I will make an important announcement. We have a situational negative utility modifier. We are never ascetic or a miller or a gravedigger or anything else. Our modifier is not listed, so I presume we are a boonbank role.

Sorry this should be variant not boon bank.

I mean, we have confirmation on this now but this is a pretty legit claim imo. And the change to variant should explain why the counterclaim wasn't done by...Sam right?

I claim N1 kill lightning rod

Obvious Meme Claim

Endless Terror

Has there ever been a more appropriate name for a hydra?

I claim Ascetic Nihilist.

Obvious Meme Claim

Vanilla Noraa

Welcome ! You are a

Vanilla Noraa

You may each night use your factional kill

Your goal is to kill 2 town PR's

Sample Noraa PM

You're just asetic? Nothing more / flavor? Anyways i'll leave now got work to do

thats all i want to claim now. at the very least i need to check with shelly.

do you know if your role is described on the booney toonz wiki?

-taylor

Parallel universe is just flavor, basically my role PM tells me that i live in a parallel universe and that i can't be affected by non-killing actions there

This is a bit rolefishy from gypyx. Also it highlights the flavour discrepancy which may be an alignment indicator of some sort.

Town Parallel Universe (Ascetic)

wait is this legit? like one of those things where like gravediggers are supposed to claim first or something?

Yep, false guilties roles are supposed to be claimed around the first posts to prevent scum from getting away with claiming those when guiltied once we left the early game

Using the term "false guilties" rather than "negative utilities" here raises an eyebrow high. Wtf do you mean "false guilty roles" when you aren't a miller!? Wtf is this!?!?
Also possible scum interaction imo.

But to actually answer the question at hand...

I claim N1 kill lightning rod

is this a meme I'm unfamiliar with or a serious claim?

I claim Ascetic Nihilist.

What does a nihilist do?

I have not read back yet but none of those claims are real.

84 was in direct response to the two posts quoted above, as I had not read back yet. Both are the obvious meme claims (other than Vanilla Noraa).

[Happy Birthday Boonskiies]

Uhh there's a world where hectic had access to scum pt on his main and posted there and noraa meant to reply to his presence there instead of here and slipped

Why does noraa know hectic is in this game on page 2 without a scum pt interaction to that effect? I'm just baffled by that post's existence

I would point you towards:

Little rude, I don't think people's weights are relevant here.

hey hectic!

for the record gypyx, i think your claim is true

-taylor

HECTIC IS HERE?! O_o

Did you miss that?

[Happy Birthday Boonskiies]

I HEAR I'M NEEDED FOR A CLAIM

To claim or not to claim, hm hm hm....

[Happy Birthday Boonskiies]

Okay, fine, I'm a Town 1-shot Recharged Weak Friendly Neighbor

Excite, right?

[Gypyx]

Recharged?

Who did u fn?

[Happy Birthday Boonskiies]

Eh, maybe I shouldn't have. I wonder if you guys would've forced me to with a claim or die situation if I really insisted not on doing so.

The person I FNed is confirmed town. You really want me to say? YIKIWN - crumb

[Happy Birthday Boonskiies]

(Weak means I die if it's on someone who's unaligned with me)

[Gypyx]

Is it like commuting or what?

-confusionbeario

I feel like someone already talked about this post being important (shoshin?) But it still really jumps out at you on reread lol

I'd kinda like shelly, gx, and ydra to all comment on their current take of this post when they can

Well, imo there are 2 possible reasons for that post

- a mafia commuter

- a mafia informed

I think that given the density of PR's, we can reasonably guess that we are in a 11v4, plus informed *some kind of strongman* is a weird role to put imo

[Happy Birthday Boonskiies]

HBB I have a theory you're not a VT!

Want to claim so we can do a final PoE?

Also TGP is that just your read or are you making a mech claim adjustment?

This is an absurd theory and you should be ashamed for even daring to think about it

its not absurd

this is an absurd post, getting absurd vibes here

[Gypyx]

Eh, maybe I shouldn't have. I wonder if you guys would've forced me to with a claim or die situation if I really insisted not on doing so.

The person I FNed is confirmed town. You really want me to say? YIKIWN - crumb

I guess it's up to you if you feel like we'd benefit from that player being revealed, and what's the recharged modifier?

[Happy Birthday Boonskiies]

ASIVVD

Recharged means if my ability were to fail, I'd be informed of my action being refunded back to me

[Happy Birthday Boonskiies]

Watch the ladders, but you should be good to go

What does this post mean?

If there's a ladder, there's a water cooling system

[Aristophanes]

Wait so we have 2 conftown in theory?

Can someone plz claim being FN'd?

[Happy Birthday Boonskiies]

Oh hey, Sam can enchant me tonight. Do that please.

The person I targeted is dead and they heavily crumbed I FNed them. Let's see who can figure it out.

[Gypyx]

Or how about we don't play puzzles and you give us that person with the associated crumbs?

[Aristophanes]

Or how about we don't play puzzles and you give us that person with the associated crumbs?

I like this solution XD

[Happy Birthday Boonskiies]

Or how about we DO play puzzles and you find out the person with the associated crumbs. There's only one town player who didn't die on night 1 or this recent night, Gypyx. If you look VERY closely, you'll find that person is Shoshin on night 2.

Now, if you look at the pool of [Shoshin], can you figure out who I targeted? I'll work with you here.

[samantha97]

uhh I hope you aren't referring to last night, cause I targeted you thinking BEF was safe until the next night

pedit: ok nm then lol

[Gypyx]

Hmmm, still kinda hard for my dumb brain, could you like drop the avatar and the whole combined ISO of everyone in the pool?

On a serious note, kinda weird for the person you FN'd to push you semi-hard

[Aristophanes]

Wait so did shoshin not commute N1 or N2??

WHY!?

[Happy Birthday Boonskiies]

Crumbed I'd be targetting NicoRobin in the event of my death. "Charge" refers to the Recharged part of my role:

Huh, NicoRobin is a slot in this game who still only has 2 posts

NICOROBIN NICOROBIN NICOROBIN

Maybe she just needs people to repeat her name to

charge

up her motivation to play

Crumbed I targeted Nico (now shoshin) start of day 2:

Hi, can anyone give me a quick summary of the game so far?

Tsunami Slayer replaced out. People thought this meant they were scum. They also had some scummy posts.
Vaxkiller replaced them, he spewed scum.
Some people pushed him, some bussed, some attempted to counterwagon Samantha.
Vaxkiller flipped scum.

I recommend looking at that wagon and the surrounding events!

And Happy Birthday!!! Hope this has

charged

you up with energy.

I'd also argue that Nico was fairly obvious town before I replaced, so... I dunno. Can you assume I'm town for our discussion?

This is shoshin crumbing I FNed her. "assume I'm town". I probably should've ran with it a bit more and asked her to assume the same about me.

Gamma & HBB are also town, which is nice.

Technically a read, but more crumbing probably.

shoshin then goes on to read me as town amongst other discussion. At this point, I'm a UTR and good candidate for the scum nightkill.
So, shoshin comes out with this string of posts to protect me a little:

Very disappointing play lately from HBB.

It could even be HBB/Bell/Sam.

HBB's recent posting is scum gibberish.

HBB seems to know more about what Vax & scum was thinking than town would. If Sam's town, HBB's likely scum.

Soooooo Ari went back to elitelling (posting in other games but not this one) hard as soon as pressure was lifted off him. That isn't a good sign either.

HBB'a logic that scum tried to push a Sam CW doesn't square with a world where Ari is scum.

Vaxkiller replaced them, he spewed scum.
Some people pushed him, some bussed, some attempted to counterwagon Samantha.

HBB has been pushing this Sam CW argument for a while... Didn't realize this until now. The CW argument also doesn't square with HUB as scum, which is something that HBB was pushing earlier. The whole of HBB's scumhunting lacks internal consistency (a massive scum-tell).

BEF, I understand what you're saying about HUB but I don't think it's the same as what I'm saying about HBB. HBB is forcing the idea that scum tried to build a CW when there's no evidence of a coordinated effort to lynch Sam -- even Vax barely pushes or cases Sam. The idea that scum bussed Vax, on the other hand, just makes a lot of sense. It doesn't require a scum perspective because it's a natural towny thought to have.

And then, there comes these posts:

Let's say Shelly/Gypyx/Sam are town. We both want to include Golden as town.

I think Ydrasse/HBB are likely town.

I think Bell/BEF are probably town. This leaves who in the poe? Gamma, & Ari. It's a simple solve that makes a lot of sense when you think about it more.

If Sam's actually town enchantress, though, then scum must have a role that kills commuters. I guess I'll just claim to clarify why. I'm also a town parallel universe. This is part of why I suspected Gypyx earlier. Nico didn't commute last night but I will definitely be commuting the rest of this game.

That's three commuters, plus a role that allows for two more town commuters. That's five players that scum can't kill. Five. This doesn't seem plausible.

shoshin can you give me the gist of the ~case~ on gamma, not just how gamestate-wise gamma fits as scum here?

I don't know what you mean by "gamestate."

Let's start with who the town are. You're town. I'm town.

I also read Golden, HBB, Bell, Ydrasse, BEF, and HUB as town.

The poe leaves Gamma/Ari/Gypyx/Sam.

I'm happy to clarify why these players are town if you don't understand.

Gypyx/Sam are scummy behavior-wise, but I'm bracketing this today. If you assume they're town because of role, then you need to look at who's left. I'd rather leave them alive for now while we collect more information about the setup. If scum are able to kill commuters, that lends more credence to all of commuter claims being town. If scum can't kill commuters, then we need to look closer at these players. For today, I'm bracketing.

Gamma & Ari don't have anything towny about them. Ari isn't actively scummy, just unengaged. The interesting point, though, is that Gamma has come out defending Ari like he knows Ari's alignment. It's almost mason-tell level if you assume they're town. Gamma's reasoning doesn't square with the boldness & confidence of Gamma's read. This is the first thing that concerned me about Gamma.

If you assume Gamma's town, how do you explain his behavior? The early vote on Tsunami looks like an inspired read, but the rest of his play around Vax felt hollow. He's a townie who doesn't care too much about what happens, just letting others control the game. But then he suddenly thinks Ari is so town that now he cares a lot & begs people to trust his Ari read. This highlights for me the strength of Gamma's read on Ari. It's out of character for him, so if Gamma's town, it's worth sheeping this read. I strongly believe in sheeping my teammates when they're this confident about a read. If Gamma's town, you also have to believe that he misreads me as scum based in behaviors I do in every game. I'm not sure how to explain it. You also have to believe Gamma is okay with mislynching me without any caution despite his past experiences with mislynching me, which strains credulity. But let's say he doesn't have any regrets or human emotions when it comes to killing me, despite knowing I'm a town asset. Okay.

Compare this to a scum profile. Gamma votes Tsunami early on based on bullshit reasons to create some distancing. Scum don't expect this wagon to take off the way it did, or for Tsunami to implode the way they did. Lots of players would say Nora is strong scum who is unlikely to get lynched D1, for example. So Gamma tries some early distancing. When the Tsunami wagon takes off, he keeps his vote on his partner (doesn't want to look suspicious so he's hedging) but attacks YOU for voting Tsunami. Your reasoning was really good, but he gaslights and tries to pretend the only reasons are angleshoot. He can't take his vote off Vax anymore but he certainly doesn't drive the wagon. If there had been a viable CW, he'd jump on that. But none materializes. So the he kills Titus, who was suspecting Gamma most of D1 and was probably making life very exhausting and difficult for scum Gamma. Then D2. He's just blah blah blah, nothing happening, very underwhelming play, letting town kill themselves as scum like to do. He takes the opportunity to pocket townies where he can -- BEF for example. Then he gets the opportunity to build a wagon on biggest town threat (me) and immediately jumps on it. Can't leave me alive, I don't lose games when scum do that. His reasoning is clear bullshit to anyone who knows me, but nobody knows me well here except HUB, who joins me in Gamma. I dunno how to explain this better. Gamma immediately flipped his read on Sam after the claim, which doesn't feel natural to me. There wasn't any questioning or concern. Gamma isn't sorting me in good faith. Gamma's the most likely to kill Pelican. What more can I say?

Town Gamma profile doesn't square up. It doesn't fit, and if it does, we definitely shouldn't lynch Ari. Scum Gamma is consistent with Gamma pocketing Ari or defending a partner. Scum feel a lot more pressure to defend partners when they lose a teammate on D1. Scum Gamma feels this pressure, clearly. That's my take.

Suddenly, I'm back in the townpool with no prior progression or talk about why she thought I was no longer posting scum gibberish/obvscum.

I'm not sure exactly what Shoshin was trying to do here, maybe she suddenly realised she could actually die that night and then it'd be harder for me to convince people I targetted her. So, the flip is probably a result of that. In any case, it's obvious the flip isn't a natural one that town!shoshin would do without external factors - the ones in this case being the fact she was doing theatre around me FNing her.

Oh, this post also came right before she flipped from saying I'm obvscum to me being back in the townpool:

HBB, if you assume I'm town, what are the possible scum teams at this point?

Possibly another crumb? Who knows, we'll have to ask Shoshin post-game

[Happy Birthday Boonskiies]

Nico was afk night 1. I wouldn't have targeted the slot had I known it was a commuter, I was trying to avoid them night 1

[Happy Birthday Boonskiies]

Despite her random push on me, I still think Shoshin is town. In fact, that's probably more indicative that she's town, she's just saying whatever she believes without a filter or any fear, even if it's wildly against the consensus.

Oh God, I just realised I should've pretended to scumread Shoshin and play into the whole thing, especially since I knew she was also town. I feel a bit dumb now... I'm sorry, Shoshin

[Happy Birthday Boonskiies]

(could've saved her from the nightkill if we started 1v1ing and the scumread was mutual, oops)