PookyTheMagicalBear v Flavor Leaf (Game Over)

[Bell]

All right, I'll engage. on this.

Personally, I have a good memory for play from other games when I get pressured in them. I can still remember the first time I got run up, 5 or 6 years ago on this website when I ended up getting mod killed because I wiki'd about it before the game ended. I dislike dishonesty about oneself or one's play. As either alignment I will engage someone on one or another. I was simply challenging him and setting up how this was likely going to go and it went as it went because it was a self-fulfilling prophecy in part because I didn't just engage him again, though I later ended up did but you didn't read to there yet or see what his behavior's like when it comes to misremembering information or how the details don't fit but they truck on. In a way, it's cognitive dissonance repair. I don't really want to get into it.

I had a choice of ego clashing and taking control away from them or not. As seems true for people, if you let them, they will walk over you. It hurt.

[Bell]

To put it another way, it's somewhat traumatic because I take it a little too personally. I have a thin skin.

[Double the Trouble]

It's ok. We all get eliminated sometime.

- Norwee

[Bell]

Hence my playstyle of obvtowning as town. Couldn't do it here because of detective.
Backfired specularly. Lots of errors in play. I'm not a good PR tbh and my style is just difficult to be compatiable with it.
It's either full speed arrogance or nothing. I can't find a balance in how to treat peope while trying to reach an answer about people's alignment.

[Dr Easy Bake]

This is a message to most.
I’m setting up a Flavorhood Watch.
Meet at my place, I’ll have six different kinds of muffins.
If you want anything special, please let me know.

What has been done cannot be disputed
We will band together to protect this game
We must keep our town safe
I am Flavorman

[Double the Trouble]

Why everyone in this game gotta write their life story when they get run up for an elimination.

- Norwee

[Double the Trouble]

VOTE: Bell

[Bell]

Cause you asked and it was either answer or die.
In this case it seems to be die or die though.
I'd still like to solve tho.

[Double the Trouble]

You can solve in dead thread.

- Norwee

[Bell]

I was town. Detective.

[Bell]

best of luck Pooky.

[MURDERCAT]

Get Noraa

[Solstice]

They have to catch the person on the night of or the night after the kill. But yeah, it's pretty weak.
~Morning

Not so.

A detective can get a guilty on N5 of a scum who made the N1 nightkill and never made a kill after that.

[Oh, that is not how I thought it worked. That is definitely stronger than i thought although still weaker than gunsmith/cop. I guess it's better than tracker though.]

[Like, i feel decent least one being scum so I dunno why I'm tinfoiling. A fakeclaim would also explain why there's two, obviously. But hm]

[If Bell is scum and Easy town, what are the odds he fakeclaims Detective and then there's an actual detective? That just seems like it shouldn't happen.]

[pedit: Obviously Dr Easy was crumbing Detective before town could know that Bell would claim it. So he's not scum that made it up on the spot into a town!Bell. that doesn't even really make much sense cause Bell didn't need the extra help getting eliminated, really.]

[TvT -- They're both town and FL messed with the setup (I don't really see any issue with this) ]
[SvT -- Dr Easy!town counterclaiming Bell!scum who fakeclaims detective (This is the only other scenario that makes Dr Easy town. It seems strangely specific that scum ended up claiming like the one role they didn't know about at this point, and it's also an obscure role like detective. But it's possible i guess) ]
[TvS -- Dr Easy!scum planning on fake claiming detective gets forced to CC a real detective that claims (This strikes me as even less likely than scum!Bell claiming the town PR. How does that even happen?) ]
[SvS -- It's theatre and the weird shit is just explained by scum doing scum things. (No unlikely scenario required here except maybe that they think it's a good idea having Bell claim what Dr Easy is planning on claiming later. Do they think this gives Dr Easy towncredit? Does it?)]

[pedit: You ended it already?]

~Morning

[Double the Trouble]

i didn't hammer you yet snoopy

[Bell]

Solve is as follows:

Mason: Pichu, if not mason eliminate for the holes in his pushes and his bullshit. He tried to speed eliminate here and it was just bad play all around. This is in part why I also pushed MC for Noraa. I had info it wasn't accessible. I tried to appear lackadaisical didn't work.
Detective was a role that got more powerful as it happened.

DBT pretty much open wolfed scum cased.

Dunstral was odd around Nk15, but I couldn't write about it.

[Bell]

It was like one of the dumbest things I've ever seen from a player before. I've never seen someone just see all the reasons I was town and than voted me for it.

[Double the Trouble]

DEB will tho hammer u tho

[Bell]

i didn't hammer you yet snoopy

I don't care. Just gunna keep spewing.

[Double the Trouble]

u do that then
UNVOTE:

[Bell]

Creature never seemed to gain real awareness f Nk15 from the reread. I never got a handle. Best I can say that he apathy'd out. I appreciate at least his willingness to listen. Him going away was problematic around now. I don't know if he disappeared because he didn't want to be here or what.

[Double the Trouble]

It was like one of the dumbest things I've ever seen from a player before. I've never seen someone just see all the reasons I was town and than voted me for it.

Are you drunk?

- Norwee

[Solstice]

[What am I missing with regards to the claims?]

[Ignoring any scumreads and just focusing on the claims, they can both be town without issue]
[For Bell!scum and Easy!town, that means scum actually managed to fake claim like the one town PR remaining on accident + it was an obscure one]
[For Bell!town and Easy!scum, that means scum was actually premeditating to claim what just happened to be one of the few PRs town has remaining and it's an obscure one]
[For both to be scum, scum has to think that having Bell claim what Dr Easy is planning on claiming is a good play -- this would lock Dr Easy into giving results for the rest of the game and have to explain why he never gets killed. Is this a good play somehow and I'm just missing it?]

[Should i just assume something unlikely happened and move on?]

~Morning

[Bell]

Oh, I'm just going to go back to walling then.
Because I don't like leaving it half solved.
I don't think it's actually possible though. It's too early for me to have genuiney good reads, or at least I've never tried before to whole game solve in one day.

[Bell]

It's just too time consuming.

[Bell]

*cracks knuckles* I can give it a few more hours at least.