Guns & Roses V [Game Over]

[FakeGod]

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- Tanner, Mr Sandman, DrippingGoofball, JohnnyFarrar, Iconeum, Gamma Emerald, Dunnstral, Bell, Gún, Hiraki, Akarin

With 11 alive it takes 6 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-24 09:35:46)

[FakeGod]

Gún has asked for replacement.

[Dunnstral]

Might be bad form if they shot their shot then immediately replaced out after

Anyway, I propose mass claim today. Roses don't claim their night. Guns it's not a big deal whether they claim their night or not

[Dunnstral]

We should massclaim tomorrow, here's my reasoning:

There are enough roses alive to where mafia cannot win the game by shooting a rose every night. They can try, but the game will end naturally before that point.
We have setup information. There are 6 town roses alive. Make mafia claim to be a rose or a gun. Make them claim what night and where they shot, if they're a gun.

This will split the player list in two, and we'll know how many mafia are on each side.

One rose died at night, we're fine

[JohnnyFarrar]

Who goes first, dunn?

[DrippingGoofball]

I am here, should I?

[Gamma Emerald]

Might be bad form if they shot their shot then immediately replaced out after

Anyway, I propose mass claim today. Roses don't claim their night. Guns it's not a big deal whether they claim their night or not

Why this, and why only after ABR died?

[FakeGod]

Umlaut replaces Gún.

[Umlaut]

o/

Probably going to sleep in a bit, I've only read this page but I'm assuming there's a reason we're talking about massclaiming on day 2?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Literally just floated it out of nowhere

[Gamma Emerald]

Who'd you shoot btw, DGB?

[Bell]

Hey, am I town?

[Bell]

Something seems wrong.
But that's probably because of all the dead town and the loss of control.

Well, I'm here to support the rest of you guys.

[Bell]

VOTE: Dunstral

This doesn't have much to do with the mass claim versus not mass claim thing.

If town shot their shot. I would like to know who and why.

[Gamma Emerald]

I might just sheep someone for real this day phase

[DrippingGoofball]

Who'd you shoot btw, DGB?

Nobody

[Hiraki]

We should massclaim tomorrow, here's my reasoning:

There are enough roses alive to where mafia cannot win the game by shooting a rose every night. They can try, but the game will end naturally before that point.
We have setup information. There are 6 town roses alive. Make mafia claim to be a rose or a gun. Make them claim what night and where they shot, if they're a gun.

This will split the player list in two, and we'll know how many mafia are on each side.

One rose died at night, we're fine

I have been thinking about this a lot. For starters, ABR was a mafia kill. Uncrowned could have been either.

Sell me on this a little more. There's 11 people in this game, I am town so for the purposes of this, I'm taking it out of 10 (this works for everyone in their own position). If there's 6 roses, that leaves 4 gun. That's a 50/50 shot. I like those odds especially with my reads. If there's 7 roses, that leaves 3 gun. That's a 1/3. I don't like those odds and now we have a pool of 5/2. If there's 8 roses, that leaves 2 guns - both confirmed town. Those have a target on their head for the rest of the game but are useful today only based on how mafia plays (additionally at least one of these guns has potentially already shot their shot). Lastly, if there's 5 roses, that confirms all 5 roses as town, mafia is now in a potential auto-loss position. Therefore, they'd absolutely never take this stance.

My concern is that I can't be the only one who has thought this far. The optimal here is that we get 6 roses but that is only based off of scum playing sub-optimal. The other scenarios are heavily scum-sided.

[Umlaut]

VOTE: Dunstral

This doesn't have much to do with the mass claim versus not mass claim thing.

If town shot their shot. I would like to know who and why.

Reasoning for this? I know you said it isn't really about the mass claim but I think at first glance calling for it is a towny move, so you should have some reason for finding him scummy that overwhelms that.

[Gamma Emerald]

Who'd you shoot btw, DGB?

Nobody

But you softed N1 gun HARD
:fry_leer:

[Gamma Emerald]

Also looking at the mass claim talk it seems we’re essentially doing a DoP strat here
I guess that works imo.

[Bell]

VOTE: Dunstral

This doesn't have much to do with the mass claim versus not mass claim thing.

If town shot their shot. I would like to know who and why.

Reasoning for this? I know you said it isn't really about the mass claim but I think at first glance calling for it is a towny move, so you should have some reason for finding him scummy that overwhelms that.

I personally think he's just trying to regain momentum and control of the thread and to look good for a scum win instead of letting town eat itself rn and lurk out. If he kept lurking he would probably die anyway.

Pretty much, set up spec from older versions of this game grandpa'd into this one. Is my thought.

I'm not tunneled though, I definitely could be wrong here and I'm willing to talk about other reads, another analyses, other people's thoughts.

Last day phase, there wasn't much like play or work from other town.

[Bell]

Hiraki's post by the way is very good.

[Bell]

Esp. if he's scum and came up with that. Consider me totally fooled.

[Gamma Emerald]

By the way Bell. Tell me why you’re town this game.

[Bell]

Everybody that just died was town reading me.

Except Akarin.