Yellowstone

[MathBlade]

That’s NAI Nora.

Good players town and scum poke everywhere. You’d scumread me every game for that. This is just a unique situation where scum is likely present in Horsewoman.

[MathBlade]

If we didn’t do horse I would do infinity but we really should elim horse

[Infinity 324]

Noraa given that you’ve scumread me twice in the past and I was town I don’t think you’d be so confident reading me this time.

PEdit: Math, the “therefore horse is scum” part is the unverifiable part. I can probably find a ton of wagons on town that stalled d1 if I bothered. “Scum generally x” is literally how you play mafia, yeah it’s hard to verify but people can agree or disagree based on their personal experience.

Noraa, I didn’t feel the need to comment on the mason claim because I didn’t think it was a claim. If I was waiting to see what other people said, why was I the first person to say I thought it was a joke.

[Noraa]

That’s NAI Nora.

Good players town and scum poke everywhere. You’d scumread me every game for that. This is just a unique situation where scum is likely present in Horsewoman.

I believe it is AI for newbies. Newbtown is much more likely to tunnel whereas newbscum is more likely to poke around and try to find a soft spot.

[Noraa]

Noraa given that you’ve scumread me twice in the past and I was town I don’t think you’d be so confident reading me this time.

I have confidence when I do. doesn't matter how many times I mess up in the past. Take golden for example. I've read him wrong three times yet I still have confidence.

[MathBlade]

Noraa given that you’ve scumread me twice in the past and I was town I don’t think you’d be so confident reading me this time.

PEdit: Math, the “therefore horse is scum” part is the unverifiable part. I can probably find a ton of wagons on town that stalled d1 if I bothered. “Scum generally x” is literally how you play mafia, yeah it’s hard to verify but people can agree or disagree based on their personal experience.

Noraa, I didn’t feel the need to comment on the mason claim because I didn’t think it was a claim. If I was waiting to see what other people said, why was I the first person to say I thought it was a joke.

You can find those yes.

But that’s when you combine it with the surrounding wagons and the narrative.

It all combines to show Horse scum which is something that can be analyzed.

[MathBlade]

That’s NAI Nora.

Good players town and scum poke everywhere. You’d scumread me every game for that. This is just a unique situation where scum is likely present in Horsewoman.

I believe it is AI for newbies. Newbtown is much more likely to tunnel whereas newbscum is more likely to poke around and try to find a soft spot.

This is not productive.

We disagree. I don’t see myself voting G ever.

If you’re not voting horse push someone else.

[Infinity 324]

Noraa given that you’ve scumread me twice in the past and I was town I don’t think you’d be so confident reading me this time.

I have confidence when I do. doesn't matter how many times I mess up in the past. Take golden for example. I've read him wrong three times yet I still have confidence.

Hmm, but you just said that other people disagreeing with you makes you doubt a read because of past games where others have disagreed with you and you’ve been wrong. Why does that not apply to individual players?

PEdit: you can’t come to any solid conclusions based on d1 wagonomics, especially when a good portion of the playerbase is absent.

I’m gonna stop posting for a bit to make it easier for people to catch up.

[MathBlade]

Noraa given that you’ve scumread me twice in the past and I was town I don’t think you’d be so confident reading me this time.

I have confidence when I do. doesn't matter how many times I mess up in the past. Take golden for example. I've read him wrong three times yet I still have confidence.

Hmm, but you just said that other people disagreeing with you makes you doubt a read because of past games where others have disagreed with you and you’ve been wrong. Why does that not apply to individual players?

PEdit: you can’t come to any solid conclusions based on d1 wagonomics, especially when a good portion of the playerbase is absent.

I’m gonna stop posting for a bit to make it easier for people to catch up.

I can and have several times.

It works a good chunk of the time. And when it doesn’t it generates enough to go off of.

Again this is not productive. You’re trying to tear me down versus hunting scum.

Push someone if you disagree.

[Noraa]

Hmm, but you just said that other people disagreeing with you makes you doubt a read because of past games where others have disagreed with you and you’ve been wrong. Why does that not apply to individual players?

One person disagrees. No one TRs u except math.

why are you trying to use something like that against me to begin with?

[MathBlade]

Hmm, but you just said that other people disagreeing with you makes you doubt a read because of past games where others have disagreed with you and you’ve been wrong. Why does that not apply to individual players?

One person disagrees. No one TRs u except math.

why are you trying to use something like that against me to begin with?

I don’t TR infinity WTF

[Noraa]

This is not productive.

We disagree. I don’t see myself voting G ever.

If you’re not voting horse push someone else.

I think a Guillo wagon could go thru without u. I SR him hard and I want one of my SRs to be the lim. guillo is the most possible one today as DGB has no supporters and neither does Infinity.

[Noraa]

Hmm, but you just said that other people disagreeing with you makes you doubt a read because of past games where others have disagreed with you and you’ve been wrong. Why does that not apply to individual players?

One person disagrees. No one TRs u except math.

why are you trying to use something like that against me to begin with?

I don’t TR infinity WTF

remembered wrong. that's right. Who TRs infinity?

[Noraa]

remembered wrong. that's right. Who TRs infinity?

No one. Exactly. Infinity why are you using what I said earlier in the game against me?
Nearly all the plist SRed horse which made me doubt myself and here ur trying to discredit my reads by using that against me?

[Toogeloo]

I'm fine with the current Horse wagon more because town they are low efforting, and I'm of the mind they are hoping it will blow over.

[MathBlade]

This is not productive.

We disagree. I don’t see myself voting G ever.

If you’re not voting horse push someone else.

I think a Guillo wagon could go thru without u. I SR him hard and I want one of my SRs to be the lim. guillo is the most possible one today as DGB has no supporters and neither does Infinity.

It won’t and if it did it would be stupid.

Stop working against me please and we agree infinity is scum and push there if you hate the horse woman wagon.

I will fight to not elim my town reads here.

[Marky Mark]

Right, I have at least read the last 13 pages. Digesting it all and applying scrutiny will happen at an undisclosed date TBC

UNVOTE: Momrangal - because eliming a claimed mason would be bad. Cool things that came out of this wagon include:
--Premature claim - being elimed overnight from E-2 seems like overcaution to me (++TR for JV asking the same question that was in my head ref this in 793). This being said, I reckon the claim is probably legit because would be a massive risk to fake-claim mason and get counterclaimed.
--789 from flea casting doubt over the mason claim confused me - @Flea: why don't you believe the claim?
--973 is a mahooosive stretch from noraa to try and shade DGB by implying they were avoiding the thread in case mom got hammered in the meantime

Math makes a good argument ref infinity's seemingly inconsistent position on Mom ref whether he believed their claim or not

BUT

the bigger question is why did Toog vote there after the claim? I was TRing them before this wagon but their behavior (vote there after the claim then subsequently unvote) just straight-up confuses me. Wondering if TSTBS

Guillo is swinging ++TR of the back of the last 10 pages or so - I won't quote any single post as it is more the consistent proactiveness and analysis. @Guillo - I have skimmed your response to me ref why you SR me so thanks for taking the time to articulate that and I'll take the time to properly read it and respond tomorrow IRL.

++SR Pig for 858 - his only contribution of the back off all that drama was his unvote and some IIOA (checkout me learning all the lingo!)

Keen to hear from Flea ref why they weren't convinced ref the mason claim and from toog ref his post-claim vote. These are two potential smoking guns right now IMO

VOTE: Toogeloo seems like a good place to be for now. Ref horse, I need to look at her more as stuff like 683 where she defends Mom just feels ++TR. If they were scum and looking likely the most likely elim today then why would they try to defend the next most likely elim target at the time?

[Noraa]

It won’t and if it did it would be stupid.

Stop working against me please and we agree infinity is scum and push there if you hate the horse woman wagon.

I will fight to not elim my town reads here.

Infinity is as good as guillo imo.

VOTE: Infinity

[Guillotina]

That’s NAI Nora.

Good players town and scum poke everywhere. You’d scumread me every game for that. This is just a unique situation where scum is likely present in Horsewoman.

I believe it is AI for newbies. Newbtown is much more likely to tunnel whereas newbscum is more likely to poke around and try to find a soft spot.

Im not a noob, what is your excuse now? I've played this since way before the new generation started calling it Mafia.

Poking around is my method for scum hunting, i poke and wait for reactions, then cross reference those reactions with other players reactions. I also analyze reactions from players to other people's post and cross reference them with my private notes.

I never comfy wagon, i develop my reads and push/yeet those at the bottom of my list. I town read Momrangal and Horsewoman is way bellow her in my list, so are you, so is Mark or Flea or Toogeloo. There is no chance in hell im yeeting someone i townread over nulls or people in my scum list. Plain and simple.
That is not to say that my reads won't change and they have changed! But as long as they don't change im not yeeting my town reads over my nulls and scum reads, and im not yeeting my nulls over my scum reads.

[Marky Mark]

Btw, hey Infinity and Math - great to have you both with us

I mean I would genuinely vote pig rn if I thought it would actually make them more likely to post and engage

[Noraa]

Im not a noob, what is your excuse now? I've played this since way before the new generation started calling it Mafia.

u are 100% a noob to this site.

[Noraa]

That’s NAI Nora.

Good players town and scum poke everywhere. You’d scumread me every game for that. This is just a unique situation where scum is likely present in Horsewoman.

I believe it is AI for newbies. Newbtown is much more likely to tunnel whereas newbscum is more likely to poke around and try to find a soft spot.

Im not a noob, what is your excuse now? I've played this since way before the new generation started calling it Mafia.

Poking around is my method for scum hunting, i poke and wait for reactions, then cross reference those reactions with other players reactions. I also analyze reactions from players to other people's post and cross reference them with my private notes.

I never comfy wagon, i develop my reads and push/yeet those at the bottom of my list. I town read Momrangal and Horsewoman is way bellow her in my list, so are you, so is Mark or Flea or Toogeloo. There is no chance in hell im yeeting someone i townread over nulls or people in my scum list. Plain and simple.
That is not to say that my reads won't change and they have changed! But as long as they don't change im not yeeting my town reads over my nulls and scum reads, and im not yeeting my nulls over my scum reads.

uh huhhhh

[Noraa]

Of course not, some prime examples of anti-town behaviour include

Not_Mafia, Not_Mafia and Not_Mafia.

Is this an reference I'm supposed to understand? I'm also new here so I didn't get it.

BTW why didn't anyone tunnel guillo for saying the same thing horse did? Im flipped thru his iso rn and this stuck out like a sore thumb

[Marky Mark]

@Math - help me understand why you are baying so hard for a horse elim here? I've just spotted your post ref how she defended Mom earlier on and then later voted there. Is that it? Or are there other things? The new player thing is NAI but I agree that she looks scummy off the back of the whole "someone post something helpful" saga early on

--pedit @noraa, I guess guillo being new to the site and not knowing a specific player != him being new to the game

[Infinity 324]

remembered wrong. that's right. Who TRs infinity?

No one. Exactly. Infinity why are you using what I said earlier in the game against me?
Nearly all the plist SRed horse which made me doubt myself and here ur trying to discredit my reads by using that against me?

Last post. I don’t understand why other people doubting you and you being wrong in previous games make you doubt yourself, but being wrong on one player multiple times doesn’t make you doubt yourself. They’re not the same thing, but they’re related enough that I find it an odd contrast.

PEdit: hi mark!

Noraa not changing her read on guillo when presented with new evidence is scummy