Guns & Roses V [Game Over]

[FakeGod]

@FakeGod I think Akarin and Mr Sandman need prods

Done.

[Hiraki]

That doesn’t really sound like a scumcase

And person who posts bad things with no motivation is one?

[Gamma Emerald]

Who are you talking about there?

[Umlaut]

I assumed he was talking about your case but I'm not sure it matches up with what you said about Akarin. But that said I don't see what you dislike about the votes on JF that isn't equally true of your vote on Akarin.

[Gamma Emerald]

My vote on Akarin today was because I wanted to poke her since she was the secondary wagon yesterday.

[Umlaut]

And why were you/anyone voting Akarin yesterday?

[Akarin]

And why were you/anyone voting Akarin yesterday?

No one knows.

[Akarin]

Johnny really isn't a bad wagon. There are 3 scum in the game somewhere.

[Akarin]

Since we're still in RVS apparently, though

VOTE: Gamma

[Akarin]

For those that refuse to read nuance, that's not actually an RVS vote...

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Akarin’s reads weren’t really very sensible around that time
I’m not sure if that’s the exact logic I had at that time but that’s what bothers me now. If Bell is town here Akarin had 2 townreads that didn’t make sense imo

Also I might not have been very clear but that doesn’t mean no one was. Hiraki actually made a clear accusation looking back.

[Akarin]

I'm scum for having correct townreads?

[Gamma Emerald]

I was looking at some previous posts and noticed Akarin citing Rose as calling Uncrowned’s read list good, so I went and found it

Town

Tanner:

Liked Post 24 as I thought a similar thing and the post about Bell seeming slight +town for making an “anti-town” post, while not something I really agree with, didn’t seem like an excuse to try and hamfist a TR and came off to me as quite genuine.

Hiraki:

Mostly tonal read and came out looking +Town from the Bell engagement on P2.

Gun:

Pointed out Bell’s disengagement from Hiraki, which I generally like.

Bell:

Inclined to believe that Hiraki/Bell was TvT. Initially I thought he handed out some reads rather easily on P1 but I think it’s more indicative of a fluid townie mindset, especially with how he pulled it back on Hiraki. I think scum would be more concerned with crafting reads and not retracting them that quickly.

Ico:

Already detailed this, but had similar initial thoughts to Bell that I did, as well as the RQS thing. I like that they questioned me on my TR of them too. Tone seems good too.

Mr. Sandman:

Didn’t really care for the RQS stuff. However, the case on Bell was plausible and came off as genuine, and I initially had similar thoughts. Also, I generally don’t think a scum would care to question Ico about why they answered the RQS even though they said they thought it was scummy. I think that was a townie thing to question.

Mafia

DGB:

Jumping on middle of Dunn wagon after commenting on almost nothing game relevant.

Albert B Rampage:

Same as DGB pretty much, except with minor mech talk which is meh to me. Don’t think both would be on Dunn one after the other in such a similar manner, though. I am of the opinion that one of these players is scum.

Akarin:

Picking weird stuff to talk about after returning to the game. Acknowledges that the game is out of RVS and thus implying that there’s been some content that’s probably worth talking about, but decides to talk about Roses claiming if they’re at E-1? Feels like a nothing question.

Iirc you yourself didn’t object very much to this, Akarin. Why?

[Akarin]

I think your reads list is just okay. I'm not impressed with it but it's not so bad it's scummy.

This is what I said about it.

Despite people repeatedly choosing to keep misinterpreting the same post where I quoted Rose multiple times after I corrected them.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm scum for having correct townreads?

I think you have good reads for bad reasons. They’re essentially TMI reads, but the current thing I’m getting from them is more to distrust you than to trust the townreads you’ve given, though if you flip scum I will likely trust Bell going forward.

[Akarin]

Like I made the post you're talking about defending Rose against weird assertion that she wasn't playing the game at all. For some reason like 5 times now people have taken that as an endorsement of Uncrowned's readslist on my part and scumreading me for that. It's getting weird at this point and I don't know who is being dumb and who is just enjoying the opportunity for a shit push.

[Gamma Emerald]

my grandmaster plan is in full effect

if you look to your left (by flipping the page and finding the vote count post) you will see two very important things

akarin and momrangal

we got ourselves a good old fashioned town and scum wagon but which is which? well only time will tell

i say we get akarin first and then snipe the other if we're wrong with our trusty guns

VOTE: Uncrowned

Why’d you vote Uncrowned here? I don’t just want to hear “he was pushing TvT” because that’s the obvious conclusion FYPOV, if you’re TRing momrangal at that stage.
This also interests me for another reason I want to keep close to the vest.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like I made the post you're talking about defending Rose against weird assertion that she wasn't playing the game at all. For some reason like 5 times now people have taken that as an endorsement of Uncrowned's readslist on my part and scumreading me for that. It's getting weird at this point and I don't know who is being dumb and who is just enjoying the opportunity for a shit push.

Would you categorize me as part of that group? Because I’ll tell you I wasn’t actually trying to suggest that beyond asking about your feelings on it at the time.

[Akarin]

Uncrowned was refusing to think about the game and I think he's better than that, also reminded me of a game that was ongoing until like yesterday where he was scum with me.

But also, what's wrong with voting for someone obviously pushing TvT in a scummy way anyway?

[Akarin]

Would you categorize me as part of that group? Because I’ll tell you I wasn’t actually trying to suggest that beyond asking about your feelings on it at the time.

Yes, I think you've also been pushing that narrative.

Weirdly Hiraki, the one who started it, hasn't been after I corrected them. Which is part of what turned me around on Hiraki.

[Gamma Emerald]

VoteCount 1.6

Dunnstral [1] - Bell
Bell [1] - Iconeum
Akarin [5] - Uncrowned, Tanner, Gún, Gamma Emerald, Momrangal
Momrangal [5] - JohnnyFarrar, Dunnstral, Albert B. Rampage, Hiraki, Mr Sandman
Mr Sandman [1] - Akarin

Not Voting [1]

- DrippingGoofball

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-14 10:01:04)

VoteCount 1.7

Bell [1] - Iconeum
Akarin [3] - Uncrowned, Gamma Emerald, Momrangal

Momrangal [8] - JohnnyFarrar, Dunnstral, Albert B. Rampage, Hiraki, Mr Sandman, Akarin, Tanner, Gún [EXECUTE]

Gún [1] - Bell

Not Voting [1]

- DrippingGoofball

With 14 alive it takes 8 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-14 10:01:04)

Putting this my ISO now because it’s bothered the hell out of me since I first saw it and I wanna take a closer look at what happened soon.

[Akarin]

Mom was the leading wagon before VC 1.6. Everyone jumped on me because I was the hot new thing but I maxed out at 5. Mom had more than 5 before that point as I recall.

[Gamma Emerald]

Uncrowned was refusing to think about the game and I think he's better than that, also reminded me of a game that was ongoing until like yesterday where he was scum with me.

But also, what's wrong with voting for someone obviously pushing TvT in a scummy way anyway?

Why did that remind you of that game? What makes you say he wasn’t thinking about this game? What do you mean by “not thinking about the game”?

As for your question, in the moment it probably would have seemed okay, but you voted mom later, and uncrowned has now clipped town. So obviously you weren’t confident enough uncrowned was pushing TvT to stick to that story in the end.

[Akarin]

I'm so done with this, Gamma.

Like seriously? Your position is that I shouldn't vote my own counterwagon WHEN THAT COUNTERWAGON HAS CRUMBED GUN in this setup if I think they're town?

[Tanner]

Ayyyy Johnny wagon

i think this is pretty much sealing my johnny scumread. it's desperately trying to give off a nonchalant "townie" vibe while contributing absolutely nothing. what do you think of the wagon on you? what's your read on me?

room temperature take: VOTE: johnnyfarrar

< insert disagreement about massclaiming today here >

why do you not want massclaim today?

i'm not for or against it, just wanna hear the thoughts process here

hiraki nicely put it in 666. other than that, there's a thought that there being only 2 kills last night is... suspiciously low. coupled with the loudest opponent of claiming being dead, i cannot help feeling paranoia that scum has packed guns for later nights, and massclaim will just point them in the direction of roses, while not actually helping our own PoE much.

@umlaut, have you read *any* of the game? got any takes for us so far?

Since we're still in RVS apparently, though

VOTE: Gamma

tl;dr on this?