Guns & Roses V [Game Over]

[Titus]

I'll put it like this

If i had a gun, my shooting pool would be something like

Tanner/Bell/Dunn/Umlaut/DGB

I'm not horribly opposed to it. I just don’t really feel a solid baseline yet.

[Iconeum]

going thru the playerlist, gamma and akarin are pretty much my only townreads
Firebringer maaaybe as well, but mainly due to being the popular wagon so ???

how sad is that

[Titus]

Titus, do you really feel we were trying to shut you down when you tried to get into the game?

I wasn't trying to shut you down, just your view of things based on FakeGod's vote counts was pretty far from how Day 1 actually played out.

I don't feel like anyone did anything deliberate. It just is what it is.

The votes are the story though. Period.

I can scream FakeGod is scum. It means zilch until I vote him.

[Titus]

Why are my parents talking about killing people? I has sads.

What's in the safe there? Can I has it?

[Bell]

Dunstrall scum.

You seem more sure of this now than the last time you mentioned Dunn, why'd the read get stronger?

I'm not.

[Hiraki]

I feel like you’ve been a bit terse all game Tanner, and it makes you hard to read imo. I wonder if it’s stylistic or scum holding their tongue.

Agreed.

VOTE: Dunnstral
I’m not confident about this but I think it’s a better shot compared to FB

I'm actually agreeing here, especially after the claim situation.

Unvote, Vote: Dunnstral

Didn't really have much to say after that. I'm not 'loving' hoping off Fire but Fire makes a great point that it feels like his wagon is composed of stagnation rather than a scumread. Wagons are tied baby.

[Bell]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Bell]

E-1, I think.

[Dunnstral]

Hold on, why am I being elimmed?

[Tanner]

Tanner, do you have any reads right now other than Johnny?

What do you think of Firebringer so far?

the only two i'm genuinely confident in are town bell and town hiraki. firebringer hasn't impressed, you'll notice i didn't unvote him.

If I die tonight, never lim Titus

?

How did i pick these people? I don't have townreads and i just thought "who would make a nice scum team", and that was my list.

was there... anything more behind that list?

oh cool iconeum is still ignoring me that's fucking great.

it's been like that ever since Johny got up towards E-2/1

gee i wonder why.

i dislike the Tanner slot because of how they put your wagon at E-1 IIRC

this

literally never happened

?

[Tanner]

@ico, your "reasons" so far for thinking i'm scum are (1) me commenting johnny's claim wouldn't change his position (855) (which i've explained myself on, and you handwaved it away) and the way i put firebringer's slot to E-1 (1011) which literally never happened. do i have to explain why i have a problem with that?

[Tanner]

also, this speedwagon on dunn is making my stomach turn. he went from no votes to E-1 in what, 5 pages? 8 hours? while the other wagon was an uphill battle for the whole day?

[Iconeum]

i checked, it was E1 on another player, but the vote was still bad?

i'm like

not feeling your towniness here

[Hiraki]

also, this speedwagon on dunn is making my stomach turn. he went from no votes to E-1 in what, 5 pages? 8 hours? while the other wagon was an uphill battle for the whole day?

I really don't think "uphill" is the right word here. Stalled, sure. Uphill? No way.

[Hiraki]

I wanted to do a follow-up just to make sure I'm sure about this since it is a bit of a drastic stance here. I feel much better after writing this.

We should massclaim tomorrow, here's my reasoning:

There are enough roses alive to where mafia cannot win the game by shooting a rose every night. They can try, but the game will end naturally before that point.
We have setup information. There are 6 town roses alive. Make mafia claim to be a rose or a gun. Make them claim what night and where they shot, if they're a gun.

This will split the player list in two, and we'll know how many mafia are on each side.

One rose died at night, we're fine

I have been thinking about this a lot. For starters, ABR was a mafia kill. Uncrowned could have been either.

Sell me on this a little more. There's 11 people in this game, I am town so for the purposes of this, I'm taking it out of 10 (this works for everyone in their own position). If there's 6 roses, that leaves 4 gun. That's a 50/50 shot. I like those odds especially with my reads. If there's 7 roses, that leaves 3 gun. That's a 1/3. I don't like those odds and now we have a pool of 5/2. If there's 8 roses, that leaves 2 guns - both confirmed town. Those have a target on their head for the rest of the game but are useful today only based on how mafia plays (additionally at least one of these guns has potentially already shot their shot). Lastly, if there's 5 roses, that confirms all 5 roses as town, mafia is now in a potential auto-loss position. Therefore, they'd absolutely never take this stance.

My concern is that I can't be the only one who has thought this far. The optimal here is that we get 6 roses but that is only based off of scum playing sub-optimal. The other scenarios are heavily scum-sided.

How is it scum-sided, though?

How is it worse than not claiming?

I actually missed this post so my bad but the fact that you're not hollering about this anymore and your response was this isn't really making me feel better.

1) It's scum-sided because I don't know how it's town-sided in anyway. We're giving scum information while town has to decipher more scum deception. Again - the only way your play would've worked optimally is if scum played sub-optimally unless I'm missing something drastic which you haven't revealed.

2) I still haven't found the benefit to claiming other than lessening the odds and that's something I made clear in this post. If there's another benefit, you haven't made it clear.

The sequence of posts from 772 to 777 is hypocritical.

Do you have anything you think she’s town for?

7/11 players left in the game are town. Upon an absence of any incriminating evidence, they are more likely to be town

Yet this is what you want to go against JF for?

[Dunnstral]

no because scum johnny meta is to lurk

And when he got votes his response was to say something along the lines of "lol" and ditch the thread

I'm not pushing for mass claim anymore because most people didn't want to do it

[FakeGod]

JacksonVirgo has asked for replacement

.

Maxwell replaces into the slot.

[maxwell]

Haven't read, doing so now.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh, that's E-1.

I'm okay with it.

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Firebringer [5] - Tanner, Hiraki, Dunnstral, Bell, Akarin
Dunn [2] - Gamma, Titus
DrippingGoofball [1] - Iconeum,
Gamma Emerald [1] -DrippingGoofball

Not Voting [2] - Firebringer, JacksonVirgo

With 11 alive it takes 6 votes to be executed.

You shouldn’t fucking be

[Gamma Emerald]

I think the whole game's been kind of static.

4? replacements today doesn't help.

You wanna bother to question WHHYYY the game is static?

[Gamma Emerald]

now that i'm caught up, i *will* agree this game is on a virtual stand-still tho

it's been like that ever since Johny got up towards E-2/1

Do none of you have the ability to properly question wtf is going on?
And you’re okay shooting Dunn but not limming him? WHY???

[Gamma Emerald]

no because scum johnny meta is to lurk

I want evidence of this

[FakeGod]

VoteCount 2.4

Firebringer [3] - Tanner, Dunnstral, Akarin
DrippingGoofball [1] - Iconeum
Gamma Emerald [1] - DrippingGoofball
Dunnstral [5] - Gamma Emerald, Titus, Firebringer, Hiraki, Bell

Not Voting [1]

- maxwell

With 11 alive it takes 6 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2020-12-24 09:35:46)

[DrippingGoofball]

now that i'm caught up, i *will* agree this game is on a virtual stand-still tho

it's been like that ever since Johny got up towards E-2/1

And you’re okay shooting Dunn but not limming him? WHY???

That's a huge honking scumtell and I will:

VOTE: Iconeum

[Akarin]

If Dunn flips town my townread on Bell is officially gone.