Mini Normal 2187: PIFiMDM [game over!]

[Lunar Martian]

I strongly disagree. But it really isn't important. What is important is that you're doing the same thing I called you out for there. You're overconfident and pushing things you know nothing about. And in this game its also making people think you're Mafia. Maybe you should chill out, friend.

In what way am I overconfident? Who thinks I'm Mafia besides Gamma?

But yes, I will accept your offer to take a small break.

There's a difference between people thinking you're Town and you helping the Town.

[Lunar Martian]

After some reflection, I believe the following people to be townsfolk: Gamma, Hayker maybe, Ben, Alchemist maybe, NoPower (although he needs to drop the "anyone who attacks the townblock is Mafia" shtick). That leaves seven people within which I'll be focusing my energy for now.
UNVOTE: Gamma

[Lunar Martian]

What do you make of the reactions?

Ben was pretty insistent on giving LM a chance there. Possibilities:
1) Ben and LM are both scum. If Lunar went down and it became obvious that they

were

scum, then Ben would be next on the shopping block. In addition to that, this is statistically unlikely.
2) Ben is scum and LM is not. Not really sure if we can weight this one more heavily or less heavily yet. Ben would be sticking their neck out pretty far this early, but Ben seems intelligent enough to WIFOM it and go for the play that makes them seem more trustworthy.
3) LM is scum and Ben is not. We've already discussed LM's actions. But Ben appears to be townhunting?
4) Both are townies. This is consistent with the experienced player reading the newbie as town correctly.

Gamma seems pushy about LM, but not in a way that reads scummy to me. Gamma was also pushy on me about being a Hectic alt. I think that's just how Gamma rolls; they seem townish to me.

No clue about NPOM. It's harder to follow why they're thinking what they're thinking.

Your inquisitive posts, Alchemist, make me slightly lean scum for you, since a low-info Socratic method seems like a good way to stir up suspicions. But it's such a slight lean that I'm not gonna talk myself into it.

No comment on Elements, because...yeah.

I'd like to hear more from 2ndchosen1, Hayker, and HeWhoSwims.

Which of the four scenarios do you think is most likely? None of this post really has any analysis.

[Kazyan]

Ok, so now that you've re-evaluated Elements, what is your opinion on that slot?

I can't come up with a reason (WIFOM-based or otherwise) that an experienced townie would act the way that Elements has. Any one (or two) of the things Hayker has cited would just have just been a normal and routine judgment error. But all together, it adds up to either scum, a wacky role combination, or me not knowing what I'm talking about.

Which of the four scenarios do you think is most likely? None of this post really has any analysis.

It does, though. It has as much analysis as is appropriate to portray based on the small amount of evidence we have. Probably

more

than is warranted, even.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Ok but question still stands, what did you think was scummy about the post you thought was scummy?

Seconding this, that seemed like a very weak stance for NPOM to take, since it doesn’t define any actual post

I just thought it was a weak post to vote on.

[Dannflor]

After some reflection, I believe the following people to be townsfolk: Gamma, Hayker maybe, Ben, Alchemist maybe, NoPower (although he needs to drop the "anyone who attacks the townblock is Mafia" shtick). That leaves seven people within which I'll be focusing my energy for now.
UNVOTE: Gamma

Can you expand on your Gamma, Hayker, and Alchemist reads, please?

[Dannflor]

I can't come up with a reason (WIFOM-based or otherwise) that an experienced townie would act the way that Elements has.

Can you break down and ELI5 what exactly Elements has done that is out of line with expected experienced townie behavior?

[Elements]

what did you dislike specifically about my vote?

Earth to NPOM

[Elements]

I'm very comfortable with my vote on elements right now. He pushed someone elses vote, opportunistically hopped on the lunar wagon, OMGUS voted me. I feel the pressure is where it is needed for now.

Can you explain your last two votes elements?

*they
The LM vote was the same reasoning as asking for Ben to vote NPOM
The vote on you was an "I ignore your opinion of not liking naked votes"

[Elements]

I can't come up with a reason (WIFOM-based or otherwise) that an experienced townie would act the way that Elements has.

What makes you think:
1) I'm experienced
2) I play like everyone else
3) Playing so adverse to what people like is scummy?

[Elements]

I like Alchemist and Gamma
VOTE: penguin

[Gamma Emerald]

NoPower (although he needs to drop the "anyone who attacks the townblock is Mafia" shtick).

Where are you seeing this rn?

[PenguinPower]

@mod: internet is back up, v/la over

[Gamma Emerald]

I like Alchemist and Gamma
VOTE: penguin

Why vote Penguin here?

[Lunar Martian]

After some reflection, I believe the following people to be townsfolk: Gamma, Hayker maybe, Ben, Alchemist maybe, NoPower (although he needs to drop the "anyone who attacks the townblock is Mafia" shtick). That leaves seven people within which I'll be focusing my energy for now.
UNVOTE: Gamma

Can you expand on your Gamma, Hayker, and Alchemist reads, please?

There's really not much to say beyond I have a gut feeling that they're Town.

[Lunar Martian]

VOTE: Elements

Ben is my top town read and seems like he knows what he is doing.

This feels like pocketing rather than solving.

Also I don't like elements voting limbaity Lunar.

This post is OK, but it seems like a really easy thing to say. Why pick on elements and not the other people who are voting for me?

Townhunting is a major part of my game.

Doesn't feel like you're really evaluating whether Ben is Town though. It's just a compliment and an invitation to work together, not a reason for thinking someone is Town.

Any response, NoPower?

[Elements]

I like Alchemist and Gamma
VOTE: penguin

Why vote Penguin here?

I've still got a large chunk of the player list to get through

[Papa Zito]

I like Alchemist and Gamma
VOTE: penguin

Why vote Penguin here?

I've still got a large chunk of the player list to get through

This doesn't answer the question in the least.

[Hayker]

I like Alchemist and Gamma
VOTE: penguin

Why vote Penguin here?

I've still got a large chunk of the player list to get through

I know you said you tend to vote most everyone, but why are you still doing votes equivelent to RVS votes. This feels very much like active lurking to me.

[Kazyan]

Can you break down and ELI5 what exactly Elements has done that is out of line with expected experienced townie behavior?

Exactly what Hayker said.

Does anyone

else

want to push me to steer the discussion back to Elements repeatedly, or are we done?

[Papa Zito]

Can you break down and ELI5 what exactly Elements has done that is out of line with expected experienced townie behavior?

Exactly what Hayker said.

Does anyone

else

want to push me to steer the discussion back to Elements repeatedly, or are we done?

VOTE: Kazyan

What part of what Hayker said do you agree with? Can you tie what Hayker said with "expected experienced townie behavior"?

[ben dover123]

activity post

I like Alchemist and Gamma
VOTE: penguin

Why vote Penguin here?

I've still got a large chunk of the player list to get through

I don't like this.

Can you break down and ELI5 what exactly Elements has done that is out of line with expected experienced townie behavior?

Exactly what Hayker said.

Does anyone

else

want to push me to steer the discussion back to Elements repeatedly, or are we done?

I don't like this either. You and Hayker aren't buddy-buddy's.

I'm feeling LM is town now from his recent posts.

[Kazyan]

VOTE: Kazyan

What part of what Hayker said do you agree with? Can you tie what Hayker said with "expected experienced townie behavior"?

I'm very comfortable with my vote on elements right now. He pushed someone elses vote, opportunistically hopped on the lunar wagon, OMGUS voted me. I feel the pressure is where it is needed for now.

Can you explain your last two votes elements?

Pushing this early seems weird, since there wasn't really anything to push about. Wagoning on an early disruption is vaguely scummy, as I've explained in a previous post of mine. There's no reason to OMGUS if you're town.

I'm happy to give more information to the town, but I'm not sure what to say besides repeating myself.

I don't like this either. You and Hayker aren't buddy-buddy's.

I'm feeling LM is town now from his recent posts.

Hayker was the one who prodded me into joining Mafiascum.net, so I'm overcohering to his post. It does, however, appear to be a good summary of Element's choices that I'm skeptical over. Additionally, after my previous goof, I don't actually trust myself to get a good understanding of Elements's actions without some sort of outside validation. So I keep gesturing vaguely at Hayker because they said something that I completely agree with, and I don't know what else to say besides what Hayker said.

[Elements]

i never OMGUSed anyone

[Gamma Emerald]

I like Alchemist and Gamma
VOTE: penguin

Why vote Penguin here?

I've still got a large chunk of the player list to get through

Not a great answer but it makes your mindset evident.