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Post Post #5575 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:42 pm

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Like just sit down and think about this:

Why put the lovers condition in, as a mod, when neighbors start already in opposite time streams; which is already "optimal neighbor placement"?


And if you do... why TELL them about it?
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Post Post #5576 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:43 pm

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In post 5564, skitter30 wrote:just wanna make sure this isn't missed
I'm sorry. Combination of thread moving fast and me doing something else and tabbing out when I get a chance leads me to miss stuff.

I think as phrased the answer is clearly yes, people SHOULD be townreading me because I'm town, but I don't think that's what you meant. If you meant, do I expect people to be townreading me, the answer is no for the people who are unfamiliar with me and unsure for the ones who are.
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Post Post #5577 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:43 pm

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In post 5547, Deacon Blues wrote:Cabd isn't going to be happy with me but I think Bell has exceeded his scum range. possibly considerably. It goes way beyond my bucket thoughts about what parts of his town game he could be able to import in a quantum improvement of his scum game.
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Post Post #5578 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:43 pm

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But fine whatever, I'm in the acceptance phase of not getting my wishes yet again.
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Post Post #5579 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:44 pm

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In post 5575, Dandelion Wine wrote:Why put the lovers condition in, as a mod, when neighbors start already in opposite time streams; which is already "optimal neighbor placement"?
Because he wanted to add in more effects that have to do with inversion to make it more likely to be relevant?
And if you do... why TELL them about it?
It would be incredibly rude bordering on bastard to not.
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Post Post #5580 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:44 pm

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Scum SS feels more urge to make fake reads and pushes where it seems SS here doesn't care that his reads are lackluster and he has nothing to push. Pretty different if u ask me. Worthy of my townread.

Hopefully his future scum games will not copy this.
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Post Post #5581 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:44 pm

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too hot to be town
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Post Post #5582 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:45 pm

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In post 5581, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:too hot to be town
I take my town pants off just like the rest of u. one leg at a time.
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Post Post #5583 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:46 pm

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In post 5565, Firebringer wrote:also SS i don't think im risking anyting by defending u. nor do i think im hard defending u.
I think what you're risking as scum is losing the ability to mis-exe me.
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Post Post #5584 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:46 pm

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In post 5582, Firebringer wrote:
In post 5581, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:too hot to be town
I take my town pants off just like the rest of u. one leg at a time.
are you even wearing pants

unlikely
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Post Post #5585 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:47 pm

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In post 5573, Dandelion Wine wrote:This makes zero fucking sense then, if you're told of this property of your role PM you will literally never choose to do this.
Yes.

I would think it's meant to be negative utility (either for both of us if we're both town, or for the scum one if one of us is scum).
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Post Post #5586 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:48 pm

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In post 5584, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 5582, Firebringer wrote:
In post 5581, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:too hot to be town
I take my town pants off just like the rest of u. one leg at a time.
are you even wearing pants

unlikely
You caught me. I am not wearing pants.

But when I do. I put them on just like you.
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Post Post #5587 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:51 pm

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i know you like back of my hand

you cannot hide from me
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Post Post #5588 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:52 pm

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whats that new thing on the back of ur hand?
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Post Post #5589 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:52 pm

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In post 5573, Dandelion Wine wrote:
In post 5561, Something_Smart wrote:Oh yes, I shouldn't say "thread." Same timestream. The timestreams remain separate even after the merge.
This makes zero fucking sense then, if you're told of this property of your role PM you will literally never choose to do this.
i actually did go to the op off of ss's post and i'm very confused what happens r.e. inverted roles upon the merger happening
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Post Post #5590 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:52 pm

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In post 5585, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 5573, Dandelion Wine wrote:This makes zero fucking sense then, if you're told of this property of your role PM you will literally never choose to do this.
Yes.

I would think it's meant to be negative utility (either for both of us if we're both town, or for the scum one if one of us is scum).
Okay but like... tell me how it's negative exactly? If you both are informed pregame of this, then you'll just never invert. Where's the negative to this negative utility?
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Post Post #5591 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:53 pm

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pooky, most of the people posting stuff i literally don't care about.
How do i engage with their nonsense when all i care about is my nonsense.
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Post Post #5592 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:53 pm

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In post 5576, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 5564, skitter30 wrote:just wanna make sure this isn't missed
I'm sorry. Combination of thread moving fast and me doing something else and tabbing out when I get a chance leads me to miss stuff.

I think as phrased the answer is clearly yes, people SHOULD be townreading me because I'm town, but I don't think that's what you meant. If you meant, do I expect people to be townreading me, the answer is no for the people who are unfamiliar with me and unsure for the ones who are.
i totally get missing things, the thread is moving fast
but i kinda don't get why your snap reaction to scumreads/votes on you is, like, the way you've been playing? if you don't necessarily think people should be townreading you anyways why are you taking such issue with the fact that people aren't
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Post Post #5593 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:54 pm

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I think I (le gasp) agree with Hench that I need a break from this for a little bit because ye gods. Is this actually just "All PRs minus a few VTS that we threw in at the last second to inflate the numbers"?
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Post Post #5594 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:54 pm

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The negative is, if we wanted to invert for whatever reason (or if other people wanted to invert us), we wouldn't be able to.

I admit that it's a pretty weird role and that it probably makes more sense as T/S than I originally gave it credit for. But I still think Titus is being pretty towny, especially now that we've started talking in the hood again.
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Post Post #5595 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:55 pm

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In post 5591, Firebringer wrote:pooky, most of the people posting stuff i literally don't care about.
How do i engage with their nonsense when all i care about is my nonsense.
fuck everyone else and their nonsense
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Post Post #5596 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:56 pm

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new rule: if u don't start engaging in shit posts: Ur now a scumread of mine.
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Post Post #5597 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:56 pm

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S_S you should know that there's a neighborizer that neighborized me that I townread more than both of you two combined and this is directly influencing me.

This way skitter can't be all "Oh poor S_S knows exactly how I feel getting tunneled from a roleclaim void" (Love ya skitter but nyeh~)
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Post Post #5598 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:56 pm

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In post 5592, skitter30 wrote:but i kinda don't get why your snap reaction to scumreads/votes on you is, like, the way you've been playing? if you don't necessarily think people should be townreading you anyways why are you taking such issue with the fact that people aren't
Well for one, there's a difference between not townreading and scumreading.

And for two, I don't see what's unexpected about my reactions-- people are scumreading me, so I'm trying to figure out what I need to do to change that.
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Post Post #5599 (ISO) » Mon Dec 28, 2020 12:58 pm

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In post 5597, Dandelion Wine wrote:S_S you should know that there's a neighborizer that neighborized me that I townread more than both of you two combined and this is directly influencing me.
What does that affect? It's entirely possible to have a town neighborizer and a T/T hood in a 26-player game.
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