Mini Normal 2187: PIFiMDM [game over!]

[Lunar Martian]

NoPower, why is Ben town to you?

[Papa Zito]

Pushing this early seems weird, since there wasn't really anything to push about. Wagoning on an early disruption is vaguely scummy, as I've explained in a previous post of mine. There's no reason to OMGUS if you're town.

I'm happy to give more information to the town, but I'm not sure what to say besides repeating myself.

It's not weird in the least. You're not giving any indication of your thought process here. Pointing to someone else's post and saying "yeah that" doesn't tell me what

you're

thinking. I have to sort your slot. I have to figure out if you got a green or red role PM. The only way for me to do that is to get inside your head. Currently you're doing your level best to prevent me from doing so. The pushback and hand-waving only makes me more suspicious.

ok, but which do you prefer/find easier

This entire line of questioning is noise.

VOTE: Alchemist21

I'm extremely curious about this vote.

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: NPOM

[Elements]

UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

I usually start by townhunting because scum tends to try to mask themselves whereas town can be easier to read on day 1.

Yeah this is how people should approach games. Scum are going to try and deceive you but town will townslip because they are just town.

I feel like a lot of townslips that crop up tend to come from scum

[PenguinPower]

I think most of the time "slips" aren't actually slips for either alignment (outside of the newbie queue).

[Kazyan]

It's not weird in the least. You're not giving any indication of your thought process here. Pointing to someone else's post and saying "yeah that" doesn't tell me what

you're

thinking. I have to sort your slot. I have to figure out if you got a green or red role PM. The only way for me to do that is to get inside your head. Currently you're doing your level best to prevent me from doing so. The pushback and hand-waving only makes me more suspicious.

I mean. What exactly could I possibly say, at this point? You say I'm giving no indication of my thought process in a post where you've straight-up quoted my thought process. I've directly stated that I don't trust my judgment on Elements without external confirmation, which is what Hayker provided, and then I used his post as an outline to describe my thoughts. That pairs with the initial post I made:

I can't come up with a reason (WIFOM-based or otherwise) that an experienced townie would act the way that Elements has. Any one (or two) of the things Hayker has cited would just have just been a normal and routine judgment error. But all together, it adds up to either scum, a wacky role combination, or me not knowing what I'm talking about.

I've given my full opinion and the ideas behind it.

"It's not weird in the least", is a normal disagreement, but you're treating it like it means there must be additional layers to my opinion. And there aren't. I'm sorry. There just aren't. I would help you of there were. And people keep acting like the absence of additional layers is proof that there are more.

All I can do is repeat myself.

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Hayker

[NoPowerOverMe]

Is that all you have too say pp?

[NoPowerOverMe]

NoPower, why is Ben town to you?

He seems engaged, uninformed and open-minded.

[Gamma Emerald]

Why uninformed specifically?

[PenguinPower]

Is that all you have too say pp?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why do you have no comment on anything else that has happened?

[PenguinPower]

Because nothing else of note that I can interpret at this point has happened

[Hayker]

I think most of the time "slips" aren't actually slips for either alignment (outside of the newbie queue).

I second this. I have seen very very few slips over the years of playing this game. A townslip would be rather easy to fake as well.

[Lunar Martian]

Pushing this early seems weird, since there wasn't really anything to push about. Wagoning on an early disruption is vaguely scummy, as I've explained in a previous post of mine. There's no reason to OMGUS if you're town.

I'm happy to give more information to the town, but I'm not sure what to say besides repeating myself.

It's not weird in the least. You're not giving any indication of your thought process here. Pointing to someone else's post and saying "yeah that" doesn't tell me what

you're

thinking. I have to sort your slot. I have to figure out if you got a green or red role PM. The only way for me to do that is to get inside your head. Currently you're doing your level best to prevent me from doing so. The pushback and hand-waving only makes me more suspicious.

ok, but which do you prefer/find easier

This entire line of questioning is noise.

VOTE: Alchemist21

I'm extremely curious about this vote.

This all looks like someone who is trying very hard to look like Town.

[Papa Zito]

Vote me then.

[HeWhoSwims]

These days have been busier than I expected.

Kazyan based off their contributions so far is giving me town vibes really, or at least, no reason to suspect him, any argument they seem to resolve carefully.
Ben I find hard to read
LM I don't think has really done any wrong here.
NPOM I am not a fan of just yet. Lots of stuff that doesn't... really seem to help while being very present and active. Though I think it's too early for that to really bear any much weight.

Sorry if this post is not all you guys expected, been too busy for my own liking with useless stuff
if there's anything specific you want me on, just let me know, I'll hopefully get to reading some more ISOs

[ben dover123]

^
What's so hard to read about me?

[Hayker]

^
What's so hard to read about me?

When you post a question like this. I know this one isn't directed at me, but if I were to say why I find hard to read about you. This question throws me off, it comes off as more defensive of your actions, as opposed to trying to evaluate your read. Most of your posts come off very well, but then a post like this throws me off

[Papa Zito]

if there's anything specific you want me on, just let me know, I'll hopefully get to reading some more ISOs

Can you vote someone

[ben dover123]

^
What's so hard to read about me?

When you post a question like this. I know this one isn't directed at me, but if I were to say why I find hard to read about you. This question throws me off, it comes off as more defensive of your actions, as opposed to trying to evaluate your read. Most of your posts come off very well, but then a post like this throws me off

Well, that's the point. I thought my posts were pretty clear up to this point and now I'm just curious to why HWS thinks I'm hard to read.

[Gamma Emerald]

You seem particularly interested in votes rn PZ. Is there a particular reason for that, or am I seeing something that isn’t entirely there?

[Papa Zito]

You seem particularly interested in votes rn PZ. Is there a particular reason for that, or am I seeing something that isn’t entirely there?

Votes are more powerful than words.

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s fair.