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[JohnnyFarrar]

VOTE: shellyc

Let’s dance.

Hello everybody.

Have you played with Shelly before?

Hello everybody.

newbscum entrance scumtell alert

Why didn't you vote? Also explain?

Hey hey people, Sseth here

locktown
also VOTE: shellyc

Shelly said literally the opposite. Explain?

this game started on the 4th of the 12th, wonder when we will be done by.

UNVOTE:

Why?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Gotcha. Watching people interact with Shelly is always interesting. What do you make of Hank thus far?

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Oh yeah everybody be cautious about E-1 around this guy

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Hiya nopo! Are you gonna try using your scumhunting robot here?

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Can you tell me why that's town?

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Oh. Well. Cool talk.

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Man I'm bored. I'm gonna go teach myself an instrument or something until people show up.

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People love bts bruv get with the times

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Like I'm asking questions too early, unwnd or? This is my only game rn so it's got all my focus. At least until I find an instrument to learn. So far it's just an old harmonica and my baby's xylophone

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Eh. It's a lot of effort to end rvs before everyone's posted because people love this bullshit. So I'll be playing Frere Jaques on a rainbow xylophone until a few more people have checked in

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Xylophones can be out of tune? Who knew?

RVS is just boring. I'm not saying it's not occasionally useful, but it's rife with randomness, inside jokes and a general unwillingness to commit.

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Not tolerating RVS at all used to be my go-to, but that tended to get me limmed d1 more often than was fun. It's legit why I tend to replace into games rather than join them outright lately. I just find the whole process dull, so I make my own fun.

Who have you played with in this playerlist unwnd?

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Xylophones can be out of tune? Who knew?

RVS is just boring. I'm not saying it's not occasionally useful, but it's rife with randomness, inside jokes and a general unwillingness to commit.

“Occasionally useful” seems like a hell of an understatement after we’ve just finished a game where you and one of your partners were both caught as scum in RVS

Eyyyy you remembered! Not my best moment do you think I'm scum again?

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If people misinterpret me it's whatever. I'd just rather not be obtuse about this thing people like.

Dunn's unvote seem weird to you?

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Genuinely haven't made it an entire day in the last like 5 games I've played and am a little jumpy about it. I either replace in and get nk'd or just straight up get limmed.

That's good to know about dunn tho.

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Hardly, but I have an ego problem

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But is he scum? How can you tell? I've never seen it

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oh that was a joke. I did like his entrance though. He made a reference and I appreciated it

Why didn't you vote? Also explain?

i voted in my post EXACTLY before that so...?

it was a joke. but newer scum often greet the entire thread as an opening. (no offense andres)

Oh yeah this is that shit. That good rvs bullshit. They even called out the same post

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Really just illustrating my point. How have you been Shelly? Do you have reads on anyone else? I know I've got like 40 posts already so I'm easy.

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I understand that but it's boooooooring

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Zzzz.. you trying not to death tunnel here shelly? Is that why you're not voting me?

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Er, that was a serious question at the end there

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Zzzz.. you trying not to death tunnel here shelly? Is that why you're not voting me?

Really did want an answer to this shellz

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Pointedly self-assured and unwilling to compromise for his own ideals

It's only scum when he breaks that mold in ways that give him thread brownie points

Can anyone back this up? Because I don't like the last part here

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Fuzzy can be town.

Shelly jury's out.

I want to townread unwnd but maybe I just like their style, who can say?

Nopo started the game with a levity that was uncharacteristic of last time I saw him (scum) but then dove in on dunn in a way that I didn't love.

More thoughts later

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do you townread dunn then?

No, actually, I think I follow flavor's whole "he seems more annoyed than is necessary" read on the dunn situation

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what are your townreads other than fuzzy?

Dunno if I'd be willing to call them 'townreads' this early but I'm unwilling to vote you, fuzzy, or unwnd.

What makes you think that . What makes you think Dunn is scummy as opposed to just being his style. Is this a meta read?

You're town for Flavor Titus paranoia that seemed genuine

Dunn i asked for confirmation about his style because the way unwnd described it just sounded like he acts scummy always. I've never played with them to my knowledge

[JohnnyFarrar]

Spicy

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Lol VOTE: flavor leaf

I'm just gonna pretend I didn't see that for your own sake

Why would YOUR seeing it be something bad for his own sake?

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This is town.

VOTE: Andres

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You don't know this

Unless, of course, he's scum. In which case he does know it. Which begs the question how do YOU know he's not scum?

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Automatic townie points to whoever votes Andre with me

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The support for the flavor wagon disappeared (flavor was the support)

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@Big John Farrar
so you jumped off the wagon because it lost momentum?

Yeah dude

[JohnnyFarrar]

I should have clarified but yes, I meant nopointinactingup

Should we be voting nopo? Or are you advocating a more null read? Nitpicking the read without pushing the other way feels weird to me

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I merely commented on a post where I think someone was displaying too great overconfidence in a read on day 1. no one can say things like that [outside the obvious scum/mason type roles]. I always dislike people being too confident in their day 1 abilities to read the game. anyone who sits there and builds a scum team day 1, I will just ignore for a while.

flavour has just caused us to waste 2 or 3 days through their vote

So it's a pet peeve and a waste of time, then? Do you have a thought one way 9r the other of Flavy?

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I'll be productive after titus

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Why would scum say that just there? I'm curious. (I also haven't read since like page 10)

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Hey free pagetop

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So at the tail end of page 11 is this impenetrable conversation between andres and unwnd that I just can't read into at all. Every time I try I end up putting my phone down.

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I also don't necessarily have a problem with flavors particular... er flavor of narcissism but i'm super over people just being all "this is what flavor does as scum" and then him being all "naw THIS is what I do as scum" etc etc like what happens on page 12. It doesn't make anyone involved any easier to read. I think that and the Andre/unwnd convo are why I keep going to catch up and then stopping

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So I’m scummy because I get heated about seeing a scumslip?

I don't know if i believe YOU believe this nopo. Or rather the scumslip in general. It'd be like if I was pushing geraintm right now

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Beating you is definitely goals after that last game

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I've done it again

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Unwnd, if scum, is playing in a way where there is no actual case available to be on them that will prove they are scum, and they know it

The "you don't need to case me" was funny tho

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Why is my naked vote on Andres bad, Shell? And why doesn't Titus earn that same ire?

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I find the way johnny plays as scum is lurking and opportunism and I got a sense of it in his recent posts.

johny nullscum trying too hard to start stuff

Lol #takes

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Lol #takes

Sorry these are just funny to me cuz they're literally back to back

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I read Johnny as coming from an "attention span of a puppy dog" kinda way here

Sorry bouncing back and forth between catching up and what's currently happening because I wanna wrap my head around this game

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Shelly I'm not new, why do you think I would fall for that

I almost did

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nopoint seems lurky which is what happened in 2174

I would like to hear from johnny on nopoint with johnny being nopoints scumpartner in that game

Uh they're a good scum player. Not too controlling, more capable of disappearing into the town than me. Not unlike here honestly

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Main 3 (Nopoint notmaf Hank) with flavor and you as distraction or potential scum if i'm wrong about one in main 3

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I don't keep up on what can and can't be in normals. I like surprises

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Is flavor scum here?

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Ope

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VOTE: Flavor Leaf

Ultra boring

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Dunn, Unwnd, Not Mafia, and Nopoint all have wagons that aren’t able to gain momentum.

There is scum in there.

Lez do this

VOTE: nopoint

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I think we need to stop townreading flavor for mysterious 'he wouldn't play like this' reasons and hold him to a higher standard, that means elimming him when his play is bad/scummy

I don't trust anyone's read on him that has him as town at this point in time

So, this, like...

hat means elimming him when his play is

Good start to a thought

scummy

And I agree that this should finish the thought

bad

But this part? No no.

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Unless you mean like morally bad but I don't think that's what you mean

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Actually the more I think about it, the more I think Shelly is scum. I’ve had this weird feeling since the beginning of the game that her posts are commentary-ish and pupet-mastering and then her post #477 was just downright manipulative. Shelly knows johnny’s only game with me is when I’m scum so she’s letting Johny think about me in that game. If you’re reading two games from someone you’re bound to find similarities regardless of alignment and her under the table push will cause town to scum-read one another. Scum ultimately benefits from having paranoid town

This makes sense to me dang

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I'm back.

Let's actually do this
VOTE: not maf

And if you don't wanna, tell me why not.

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I think we need to stop townreading flavor for mysterious 'he wouldn't play like this' reasons and hold him to a higher standard, that means elimming him when his play is bad/scummy

I don't trust anyone's read on him that has him as town at this point in time

I don’t understand this post at all. Where has anyone uttered a TR of Flavor based on the fact that he wouldn’t “play this way as Scum”? Can you point me to it? Because off the top of my head, I don’t recall anyone really making that argument.

What specifically about his play has been Scummy to you? Outside of him obviously SR’ing you, how do you think his approach is not from a Town POV?

I thought most players who townread him were thinking along those lines?

He's scummy because he's acting in a weird/awkward way and is responding to pressure in a scummy way

I'm weird and awkward, how is he scummy?

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Still here

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Hank doesn't look better after posting.

Why can't we do a not maf?

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I also think flavour of killed will turn up town

Is there anyone you don't think this of?

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Here to do whatever. This day should end.

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VOTE: shelz

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I'm back! And alive! Disappointing day end

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I'm feeling these shelly thoughts honestly

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I figure if dunn had a guilty we would know by now.

VOTE: Shelly

[JohnnyFarrar]

Alright flavy boy thoughts on hank?

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Spooky Johnny here worrying everybody.

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Plus or unwd?

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Spooky Johnny here worrying everybody.

What’s your solve right now?

Honestly? Hank Shelly flavy. I agree plus and unwnd are too pushy to be scum here. I think they're just wrong. You're a good tinfoil but on the real if you're scum I'm almost willing to throw this game now. Gera is also a big ???

Flavy isn't playing all that different from last game, tho.

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Like backed off, chill vibe giving the impression of being burnt out and sick of winning. I'm aware that can be true regardless of alignment, which is why I'm not pushing it. Just worth saying. And I think the similarity puts you above Gera in my poe

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I'm referring to earlier that game, before I died when I was paying better attention

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Yeh

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I mean I think I've got more votes than you

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It's Noraa! Hey yeah this games in a weird place. Biggest takeaway for me right now is town doesn't have a strong voice so we're all just kinda farting around. Hank's a good place to go for everyone tho, methinks.

VOTE: HANKY

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Present! Yesterday was my bday

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I'll confess to playing suboptimal this game. So here's my top of the dome read:

Insane seems town, unlike hank, but does also tie himself to flavortown

Fuzzo prolly town still. Don't really have any nuanced thoughts beyond that. I like their last post and excited to see the vca

Plus asks good questions so I don't really wanna Elim them

Unwnd just.... not wanting? To play better? Feels bad.

Noraa is cool

Prolly not gonna vote nopo today

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Dooooooooont

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What a dumb pagetop

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Can you phrase that different

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All these close to naked votes on FL as he's about to show effort makes me think he's town unless I'm missing something and effort-FL is a scum thing. FL's wagon actually was pretty productive there's gotta be some scum material here. Dunn's vote is pretty scummy and I already have a scum-read on him so I have no qualm about joining his wagon.
Vote:Dunntral

Towns are unwnd, andres, johnny, fuzzy, Plus. scumies are dunn, maybe FL

These posts came 12 minutes apart.

This is town to me insano

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Also completely missed flavos claim

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Why don't we just do FL vs. Unwnd today? I could vote either. Would rather unwnd for claim reasons

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Down for Noraa but like, I like Noraa so I'd rather not. I fully realize that's a bad reason but my vote is there if y'all need it

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There are non noraa policy lim reasons to vote noraa

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Ok damn y'all shit

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Noraa take a step back

flavo take this angry mafia coach shit to DMs if you really think it'll help her improve.

If it's not part of this game we can stop seeing it here.

Unwnd I'm willing to go lots of places because that's my headspace this game. I'm unwilling to do nopo, andre and Fuzzy. We can discuss if you like. A lot of other people are fair game

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I have an issue with it

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I have an issue with it

why?

I think they have something to claim

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Ok i have a claim as well but I want nopo to claim first and then let me claim second.

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Aaaaand I'm a complex neighborizer. I can neighborize every night, but if they're vanilla (town or goon) i fail. Nopo didn't know the complex part which is why I wanted him to claim first

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Also I crumbled starting here if you read the first letter of each of my posts

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By the way did someone call for massclaim or what? Why are so many claims out

I'm apparently top vig target tonight so I figured

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I can half confirm claims still so I'm not too mad

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Yeah I would prefer if the claim train stopped right here. This sudden burst of activity and claiming is so weird to me. Johnny, you weren't even at E-1 and you decided to claim?

bruh big said they were shooting me

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Vig*

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I mean it's done now. You can call me dumb when the games' over if you want

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Hi Noraa. I think you might be scum too? What's the chance all of these enablers have actual town counterparts?

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Bbl date night

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That slot was in my original solve

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Lol I guess I shouldn't have claimed since plus is just gonna merc me regardless



Given I know my own alignment and trust nopo my suspect list just never includes nopo or Dunn here. The vig enabler claim matches up with the vig, so I don't really want that gone today either. No fuzzy, NM, and prolly not Andre either.

This leaves my vote potentially on unwnd, gera, noraa or insaneo

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that leaves insano, gera, uwnd, or fuzzy as the 2 remaining scum slots in my book

Our poe is the same except replace fuzzy with noraa. Actually why not noraa?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Hey

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I'm not much of a gummie guy, might just be old

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What do you wanna know Noraa? I'm getting shot and I'm salty about it

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Blahhhh

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Oooh which games did you look at.

@noraa watchu wanna know

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Johnny u always asked me for ur scum tells. I'll give them to you. These are the things that stuck out to me from the tiny bit of this game that I've read otherwise known as your iso.

First red flag: Wall post on page 1. You're not a blabbermouth type playstyle so seeing that alone is very strange and + scum points

Second red flag: One of your town tells that maybe you haven't realized yet is that you love making posts like: "Hey I'm online. Anyone want to talk?" I think about it as ur bored as town and don't know what to talk about so u kinda need to bounce off of others. You didn't have a single post like that here which is BIG BIG BIG red flag.

Third red flag: You never addressed me calling you scum and I did it multiple times. Ur dodgy bc ur afraid I catch you considering I've played a shit ton of games with you. Confidence is key and even fake confidence is better than none.

Last red flag: You're not really snarky(dunno if this is a good word to use. its hard to describe the vibe) as town. Like I think town!Johnny is fluffy as clouds with not a care in mind. But here you kinda give me those "aaaaaaaaaa what do I do? lets have loads of sarcasm in every post and hope people like me!"

I uhhh, dunno what you want me to reply to here. I feel fluffy? I've not really been in a place where I feel caught up enough to bounce ideas of people, and my role felt important enough that I shouldn't paint a big towny target on my head. That's pretty much it

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See I targeted nopo as a sort of investigation, and then tested him before telling him I was complex, so like either serendipity is on his side or he's town here. I suspected him d1.

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Unless he's scum actually claiming his real role as watcher enabler

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Fading Nora allows this PR mess to figure itself out over time

Like feeling this straight up, though I don't know WHAT to do if she's town (though probably doesn't matter cuz I'll be shot)

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VOTE: Noraa

Happy Christmas friendo

[JohnnyFarrar]

You two are fascinating to follow at 1a.m. Christmas morning

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VOTE: nopo merry Christmas other friendo

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'll send you a picture it's ridiculous. Presents took up like half our living room

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Oh. Shit.

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Pffft

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I don't actually mind. The day is stale and the only other thing I hoped to get out of it was some guidance from town on who I should target should plus find some wisdom and shoot elsewhere.

2 kills tonight confirms plus. If watcher exists we're doing good

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I'm just assuming it's me and I'll be pleasantly surprised if it's not.

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Fuck dude trusting my instincts with flavo next time