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[Lunar Martian]

leading a shit-push against an LHF slot and then immediately opening the second day by pushing another LHF slot that protested that same wagon

yeah okay

VOTE: Frogsterking

I'm pretty confident on Frogster/Bugspray now, but I'm holding off on pushing them for the time being since I want them to share info from Amelie's hood, assuming their claim is real (if they get CC'd they're getting turbo-elimmed immediately though).

Actually I don't think Mafia would be quite that blatant, so I'm thinking Frogster is town and just really off-base here. I'm more convinced that bugspray is Mafia and the Mafia came out swinging hard today. I'm very suspicious of Galron now.

[Lunar Martian]

*@ALL*

Looking over yesterday I'd love some GtH reads on Luca, Momrangul, and Trendel from anybody available to do so

Without re-reading at all: Town, Mafia, Mafia?

[Luca Blight]

Town: bugspray, Momrangal, ORAM
Null: OutWorldER, Lunar Martian, Trendall, Frogsterking, NoPowerOverMe, Galron
Scum: Gamma Emerald, Luca Blight, Lunar Martian, Grendel

My guess would be she targeted Frogster.

[bugspray]

Did Amélie crumb who she was gonna visit last night? (I sincerely doubt mafia intentionally chose to target her)

Bug spray, who else is in the neighbor hood?

i'll check...

[bugspray]

i dont see anything in her iso about that
revealing who is in the hood is smth i onlty wanna do if all inside are on board

[Grendel]

Thanks, i think this info could be very useful if they agree.

Also, Did Amilie out or hint her role in the neighborhood?

[Grendel]

Town: bugspray, Momrangal, ORAM
Null: OutWorldER, Lunar Martian, Trendall, Frogsterking, NoPowerOverMe, Galron
Scum: Gamma Emerald, Luca Blight, Lunar Martian, Grendel

My guess would be she targeted Frogster.

Hmm...

I guess Frogster was the most town looking player in general by EoD last night. So Amiele could resolve if Frog was town that he would be hit. That is a decent bet.

[Grendel]

*@ALL*

Looking over yesterday I'd love some GtH reads on Luca, Momrangul, and Trendel from anybody available to do so

Im reposting this near page top so that its less likely to be over looked.

Also thanks Lunar

[bugspray]

there's info on the hood that im reluctant to share publicly because if scum isn't in it it would be good for them to know

[Gamma Emerald]

*@ALL*

Looking over yesterday I'd love some GtH reads on Luca, Momrangul, and Trendel from anybody available to do so

Town, Mafia, Town
This is just off recall not any current thought process

[OutWorldER]

I think D1 may have been an off-wagon day. I put your slot in null because I'm most open to re-evaluating you.

Can you elaborate any more on what appeared to be a fairly strong town read on ORAM, OutWorldER?

It was never a strong townread, or even a townread at all but the slot was blatant LHF that never said or did anything too egregious. I would've been open to limming it on future days had ORAM continued with that but at that time bugspray appeared far scummier with a clear mafia agenda visible in their posts. The fact that you dodged the points I made against them and blatantly approached me in bad faith at the end of the day only gives me further confidence in pushing you two.

I assume by "D1 may have been an off-wagon day" you mean you think scum were off-wagon? I'd like to hear your reasoning on that, or what you mean if that's not the case.

[Frogsterking]

@bugs

I think that you know the best way to handle the situation.

leading a shit-push against an

LHF

slot and then immediately opening the second day by pushing another

LHF

slot that protested that same wagon

yeah okay

VOTE: Frogsterking

I'm pretty confident on Frogster/Bugspray now, but I'm holding off on pushing them for the time being since I want them to share info from Amelie's hood, assuming their claim is real (if they get CC'd they're getting turbo-elimmed immediately though).

Can someone tell me what this acronym stands for? LHF?

Did Amélie crumb who she was gonna visit last night?

(I sincerely doubt mafia intentionally chose to target her)

Bug spray, who else is in the neighbor hood?

I disagree, I was worried that she was going to night killed, she was obv towning and killing her leaves a little bit of ambiguity about the sanctity of the town block. Makes me suspect Lunar more.

*@ALL*

Looking over yesterday I'd love some GtH reads on Luca, Momrangul, and Trendel from anybody available to do so

GtH: Luca town, Momrangul town, Trendel scum

Luca: Poses a huge a threat because of the possibility of being deep scum. Seems like he may have some acting or fine arts background because of his ability to portray mental states of mind from his town play while scum. I meta dove him and found some things that made me think he was town this game. For one thing, Luca is a bit of an anomaly because he actually posts MORE as scum. My interactions with him felt very townie. My instinct is to trust, and I think the susceptibility of his account to meta diving is a reason to want him in the end game.

Momrangul: I think that Momrangul may also pose a huge threat as deep scum. I picked up on a very clear intuitive signal when I first read her opening post, that she is tactical, and I've lost many games in the past because of players like this. My interactions with her felt very townie and she's town told clearly in multiple instances IMO. I think she's town.

Trendel: He hasn't managed to town tell a single time this game FMPOV. I guess there was a moment when he was being cooperative with Momrangul and voted OutWorldER, I'm curious whether Momrangul felt this was a townie interaction. He did say that he's all-neuroticism in his response to the SSS so maybe he is nervous. He's sort of playing the "Anti Town" archetype but doesn't seem like he's enjoying it very much. Posts just enough to not be the least active player. My instinct is that he's scum.

[Frogsterking]

I think D1 may have been an off-wagon day. I put your slot in null because I'm most open to re-evaluating you.

Can you elaborate any more on what appeared to be a fairly strong town read on ORAM, OutWorldER?

It was never a strong townread, or even a townread at all but the slot was blatant LHF that never said or did anything too egregious. I would've been open to limming it on future days had ORAM continued with that but at that time bugspray appeared far scummier with a clear mafia agenda visible in their posts. The fact that you dodged the points I made against them and blatantly approached me in bad faith at the end of the day only gives me further confidence in pushing you two.

I assume by "D1 may have been an off-wagon day" you mean you think scum were off-wagon? I'd like to hear your reasoning on that, or what you mean if that's not the case.

I'm not sure what LHF means, also, there were four reasons I townread bugs at the conclusion of D1:

a) Their claim seemed real.
b) They have a tendency to be miseliminated, especially as pr apparently. I knew this before I even played with bugs because another player mentioned it in an earlier game.
c) bugs pointed out Lunar's soft in-thread and (if it's real) if they were scum they would have shut up about it. It was a moment that was such a strong town tell it made me reconsider.
d) Amelie who I had just resorted as town had bugs as a strong townread.

Because of the soft pointed out in c) I was looking to D1 another player other than Lunar or bugs now, and my scum team at the time was Lunar/ORAM/bugs so it made sense through process of elimination.

I was very intentionally provoking you by approaching in bad faith because you're guarded and your slot is difficult to read and you did not take my test so I do not know if this is AI. I believed you might be raging about your scum partner when you called ORAM/agb a lurking fuck that would never help you. I also have seen scum use a very similar line about a lurker who was not their partner. Once you used that line, I had you as obv scum. During N1 I self-reflected and decided my read of you was not based on evidence, that's why I'm open to resorting your slot.

I believe scum may have been off-wagon because I don't think scum are anxious to jump onto a wagon that might cost them town cred. I think from scums point of view EoD1, if they do nothing, then either there's a nolim or a town gets lynched.

[Frogsterking]

I think D1 may have been an off-wagon day. I put your slot in null because I'm most open to re-evaluating you.

Can you elaborate any more on what appeared to be a fairly strong town read on ORAM, OutWorldER?

It was never a strong townread, or even a townread at all but the slot was blatant LHF that never said or did anything too egregious. I would've been open to limming it on future days had ORAM continued with that but at that time bugspray appeared far scummier with a clear mafia agenda visible in their posts. The fact that you dodged the points I made against them and blatantly approached me in bad faith at the end of the day only gives me further confidence in pushing you two.

I assume by "D1 may have been an off-wagon day" you mean you think scum were off-wagon? I'd like to hear your reasoning on that, or what you mean if that's not the case.

I guess what I'm getting at about the bad faith thing is that the intent was tactical and for sorting, not to shade you or for personal reasons.

[OutWorldER]

LHF = Low-hanging fruit.

[Trendall]

He did say that he's all-neuroticism in his response to the SSS so maybe he is nervous.

Maybe I just can't be bothered because I find your personality stuff unbearable to read. What would I be 'nervous' about sitting at home on my laptop posting on an online forum? I'm like, somebody who barely ever gets nervous, 'neuroticism' comes in a lot of different forms. But you've completely free associated away from your personality type results there and are just speculating, making wrong assumptions, completely using your own imagination while using the language of the personality tests to try and justify and give credence to the fact that all of these observations about people you're making are complete fantasies you're inventing in your own head which don't map onto reality in any significant way whatsoever. Which you've been doing all game and it's like...I can't tell you how this is just my least favourite thing.

[NoPowerOverMe]

Scum probably has some power so they probably figured town has some power and were worried about getting tracked/watched to Frog.

[OutWorldER]

Bugs pointing out Lunar's TPR soft can go either way. I can see it as how you described it but your discarding the very real possibility of Mafia Traitor I brought up EoD1. I think there's a definite possibility of them pointing out targets in-thread, especially with them also pointing to Galron/NPOM openly. It's why I'm pretty sure Lunar is town, though I'll admit my reasoning for TRing him is mostly conjecture.

It's why I'm very wary of the Backup Neighbor claim. I could easily see a mod using that as a way to have a Traitor be "recruited" so to speak into the main mafia group.

[OutWorldER]

He did say that he's all-neuroticism in his response to the SSS so maybe he is nervous.

Maybe I just can't be bothered because I find your personality stuff unbearable to read. What would I be 'nervous' about sitting at home on my laptop posting on an online forum? I'm like, somebody who barely ever gets nervous, 'neuroticism' comes in a lot of different forms. But you've completely free associated away from your personality type results there and are just speculating, making wrong assumptions, completely using your own imagination while using the language of the personality tests to try and justify and give credence to the fact that all of these observations about people you're making are complete fantasies you're inventing in your own head which don't map onto reality in any significant way whatsoever. Which you've been doing all game and it's like...I can't tell you how this is just my least favourite thing.

There's been a thought in the back of my mind since the beginning that Frogster just threw out the OCEAN test shit to look smart and accumulate early TR's while being able to throw out a bunch of nonsense to justify his pushes. Securing that thought in my mind is that he himself never shared his results and didn't even link a test in the beginning, refusing to, for some reason. It all seems in very bad faith.

That and the wagon yesterday make-up why I'm voting him right now.

[Trendall]

There's been a thought in the back of my mind since the beginning that Frogster just threw out the OCEAN test shit to look smart and accumulate early TR's while being able to throw out a bunch of nonsense to justify his pushes. Securing that thought in my mind is that he himself never shared his results and didn't even link a test in the beginning, refusing to, for some reason. It all seems in very bad faith.

The only thing that stops me thinking that any of this is suspicious is that years and years back I used to spend a lot of time talking to people in personality type communities and so on online, and they literally all talk exactly like that, it's the weirdest thing. Which is why it's ironic that the player called me an 'archetype' somewhere earlier on in the game. Like you can think it's scummy behaviour, but it's identical to the behaviour of somebody who has discovered personality types for the first time and thinks they're the ultimate explanation for everything and are relevant in every situation involving people ever.

Because my point was like...why did they not get us to all do the same test if they were that serious about it? Why get different people to pick their own unverified internet tests which could throw up entirely different results? It all seems like it's not being done in good faith and the person's mafia, absolutely. But then go on to a personality type forum and talk to a couple of them and you see the same sorts of phenomena. This is just how people who have recently got into personality types are, like they don't think.

[Frogsterking]

He did say that he's all-neuroticism in his response to the SSS so maybe he is nervous.

Maybe I just can't be bothered because I find your personality stuff unbearable to read. What would I be 'nervous' about sitting at home on my laptop posting on an online forum? I'm like, somebody who barely ever gets nervous, 'neuroticism' comes in a lot of different forms. But you've completely free associated away from your personality type results there and are just speculating, making wrong assumptions, completely using your own imagination while using the language of the personality tests to try and justify and give credence to the fact that all of these observations about people you're making are complete fantasies you're inventing in your own head which don't map onto reality in any significant way whatsoever. Which you've been doing all game and it's like...I can't tell you how this is just my least favourite thing.

There's been a thought in the back of my mind since the beginning that Frogster just threw out the OCEAN test shit to look smart and accumulate early TR's while being able to throw out a bunch of nonsense to justify his pushes. Securing that thought in my mind is that he himself never shared his results and didn't even link a test in the beginning, refusing to, for some reason. It all seems in very bad faith.

The only thing that stops me thinking that any of this is suspicious is that years and years back I used to spend a lot of time talking to people in personality type communities and so on online, and they literally all talk exactly like that, it's the weirdest thing. Which is why it's ironic that the player called me an 'archetype' somewhere earlier on in the game. Like you can think it's scummy behaviour, but it's identical to the behaviour of somebody who has discovered personality types for the first time and thinks they're the ultimate explanation for everything and are relevant in every situation involving people ever.

Because my point was like...why did they not get us to all do the same test if they were that serious about it? Why get different people to pick their own unverified internet tests which could throw up entirely different results? It all seems like it's not being done in good faith and the person's mafia, absolutely. But then go on to a personality type forum and talk to a couple of them and you see the same sorts of phenomena. This is just how people who have recently got into personality types are, like they don't think.

You sound like my dad after I beat him at chess lol.

[Frogsterking]

Bugs pointing out Lunar's TPR soft can go either way. I can see it as how you described it but your discarding the very real possibility of Mafia Traitor I brought up EoD1. I think there's a definite possibility of them pointing out targets in-thread, especially with them also pointing to Galron/NPOM openly. It's why I'm pretty sure Lunar is town, though I'll admit my reasoning for TRing him is mostly conjecture.

It's why I'm very wary of the Backup Neighbor claim. I could easily see a mod using that as a way to have a Traitor be "recruited" so to speak into the main mafia group.

I think that your theory makes sense and that sounds like a good setup. I wasn't really thinking about that possibility because bugs behavior afterword made me think they were town. Like if bugs got promoted to the town hood instead of the scum hood and they are traitor why not share what they learned here in-thread? I will keep your idea in the back of my mind because it sounds like a possibility.

There's been a thought in the back of my mind since the beginning that

Frogster just threw out the OCEAN test shit to look smart and accumulate early TR's

while being able to throw out a bunch of nonsense to justify his pushes. Securing that thought in my mind is that

he himself never shared his results and didn't even link a test in the beginning

, refusing to, for some reason. It all seems in very bad faith.

That and the wagon yesterday make-up why I'm voting him right now.

a) In a best-case scenario I expected to get TRed for it because it gave town more information to work with and eventually lead to a D1 scum lynch, and in a worst-case scenario I expected to get no engagement and eventually be lynched for it. I wasn't sure which way it would skew.

b) By the time I realized I hadn't posted my own results I wasn't sure if it was wanted. FMPOV when I see a player suggesting an RQS for example I'm not as interested in their own results because I felt like I learned about them from the questions they came up with. I can definitely answer it now if anyone would like.

[Frogsterking]

Trendall here is a link to the OCEAN community lol. https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=e ... odel&btnG=

Trendall in a nutshell:

Slating personality tests is really one of those 'world's most non-controversial opinions' things, where you'll get like ten people all agreeing with each other saying 'personality tests are so dumb!', as if each individual one thinks they're this lone minority voice crusading against the hordes of people who love personality tests. Then if you engage with them they'll tell you that people can't be put into boxes.

He did say that he's all-neuroticism in his response to the SSS so maybe he is nervous.

Maybe I just can't be bothered because I find your personality stuff unbearable to read. What would I be 'nervous' about sitting at home on my laptop posting on an online forum? I'm like, somebody who barely ever gets nervous, 'neuroticism' comes in a lot of different forms. But you've completely free associated away from your personality type results there and are just speculating, making wrong assumptions, completely using your own imagination while using the language of the personality tests to try and justify and give credence to the fact that all of these observations about people you're making are complete fantasies you're inventing in your own head which don't map onto reality in any significant way whatsoever. Which you've been doing all game and it's like...I can't tell you how this is just my least favourite thing.

[Trendall]

I love personality tests and all this sort of thing, I just think the way that you in particular are trying to apply them to this game is bad.

[Frogsterking]

I love personality tests and all this sort of thing, I just think the way that you in particular are trying to apply them to this game is bad.

It sounds like your opinion is just the null hypothesis and you're providing some value here by being the devil's advocate, or as I said earlier the Anti-Town.