Large Normal 231 | Etymologies | Game Over

[Vaxkiller]

real quick, busy weekend, be on tonight, dont do anything dumb without me.

[Andresvmb]

I am not voting N_M for play style, I want this to be very clear.

I actually enjoy his devil-may-care lightweight attitude.

But in this game, he rolled scum and I do not understand the itch that so players have to yeet someone else.

Since when are you so sure about an execution?

Look that last reads list Not_Mafia put out really made me feel bad because there was no reason to shuffle reads that dramatically in such a short period of time. So I don’t know maybe I’m being played. But still, I’m somewhat surprised by your certainty.

[NorwegianboyEE]

NM isn't even explaining his reads.
If he were, perhaps i'd take them somewhat seriously.

[Andresvmb]

NM isn't even explaining his reads.
If he were, perhaps i'd take them somewhat seriously.

I thought you had played with Not_Mafia before.

[Rannygazoo]

Which read lists do you think are real?

[NorwegianboyEE]

he's shuflling his reads like he is playing poker. It's obviously just trolling.
And now we're going into WIFOM. "Would scum play like a dumbass when they want to survive?" I honestly don't care though, because it's N_M and i hate the slot on principle.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I could honestly see N_M going for the least optimal play if he rolled scum here, just as a way to troll.
And it might even work because people will second guess his wagon.

[Andresvmb]

Which read lists do you think are real?

The first one Not_Mafia put out, they said it was made with a random generator so obviously not that one. But the second one, I took that one seriously. And then just a short while after there was a third reads list and well, I think that just obliterates any reason to think even the second one was serious. I mean Norwegian went from a SR to a strong TR in a matter of some posts. I just couldn’t make sense of it.

[Rannygazoo]

So... you agree NM is scum?

[Andresvmb]

So... you agree NM is scum?

I don’t know. That’s the truth.

[Andresvmb]

I’m still somewhat confused by both the speed with which the Not_Mafia slot approached execution there in the middle of the day, and the certainty that some players are expressing that Not_Mafia is Scum. There’s definitely better players than me in this player list so who am I to judge that maybe. But I don’t know. There’s something funny about it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is there any reason you'd find the speed of the wagon to be relevant in this instance?

[Andresvmb]

Is there any reason you'd find the speed of the wagon to be relevant in this instance?

Yeah I tend to believe that Scum executions are not easy to accomplish, especially on D1. So you tend to find a lot of resistance or at least a lot of attempts to move the wagon away. There’s like 2 players that have been arguing that Not_Mafia could be Town, and I’m one of them. There’s too much agreement or indifference. That makes me skeptical.

[Andresvmb]

Bypasser Catcher is the other one, in case it wasn’t obvious.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm open to the idea of N_M being town, i just find it very unlikely. And i don't see any other slots i heavily suspect other than those i've listed in my reads so far.
That's also why i'm wagoning someone else even if i still strongly believe N_M is very likely not town. And if they are then tough luck, they've done all the scummy things of the playbook.

[Andresvmb]

Then again, the Scum might just be having a laugh at my expense seeing me defend their buddy, so I hate to stick out my neck for slots that are so hard to read. But I would feel bad if I just let it happen and didn’t at least express my point of view.

[Andresvmb]

But like, what makes it so unlikely? Fine if it was me trying to troll the crap out of the game. That would be one thing. This is standard stuff for Not_Mafia as either alignment. The one argument I could buy now is that Not_Mafia’s ever changing positions means they’re actually uninterested in truly contributing to the game. In that sense, yeah, maybe. But all these votes materialized before.

[Gamma Emerald]

the only alternate to NM I might accept rn is Hayker

How is Hayker any different from plusJOYED

Hayker had a sketchy NM vote
PlusJOYED was just a name drawn out of a hat.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm really not interested in defending such a bad slot. But i do find it admirable that you are Andresvmb.

[Bypasser Catcher]

It's not NM's play that makes me believe they are town, its the play around him, if it makes sense.

I read not only how a player acts, but the reactions to how they act.

I think its a bit like how ppl get gutreads that end up being accurate put into words and explained.

[Rannygazoo]

Ok, let’s take a look at the opposition besides Andres. Quiet tried to shift onto another wagon or two. I’ve never rolled scum here but that’s essentially what I would no as newbie scum. Not really go to bat and defend a partner, but try to shift the attention elsewhere. Worth looking at if NM flips scum.

As for the others, I think a few lurkers showed up and cast votes elsewhere. I don’t really have time to look into it now.

[Andresvmb]

I'm really not interested in defending such a bad slot. But i do find it admirable that you are Andresvmb.

It’s not about defending any slot. It’s about sorting the game. I don’t really care about being right or wrong so much as I’m invested in winning, and that means I need to be able to trust that I’m arguing with a certain set of players in good faith.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Either way, if N_M flips town it would be very informative. I'm not really the type of player that would absolutely insist that we never eliminate a slot because there's the 2% probability that *gasp! they were town!* As even that would be helpful because then we can look at which voters on the wagon were the most suspicous, how was the general positioning around the wagon. Etc, we'd actually get some hard facts. As compared to here where we are effectively on a stalemate with just a bunch of talk with not a whole lot of definitive conclusions.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Even just a claim from N_M would make me feel a lot better.

[Andresvmb]

Ok, let’s take a look at the opposition besides Andres. Quiet tried to shift onto another wagon or two. I’ve never rolled scum here but that’s essentially what I would no as newbie scum. Not really go to bat and defend a partner, but try to shift the attention elsewhere. Worth looking at if NM flips scum.

As for the others, I think a few lurkers showed up and cast votes elsewhere. I don’t really have time to look into it now.

I would hold off on this kind of argument until Not_Mafia flips Scum. Because otherwise you’re just shading quiet by association. Are you saying you think quiet is Scum and therefore their defense of Not_Mafia makes you think this is the right approach?