Mini Normal 2187: PIFiMDM [game over!]

[Dannflor]

I did an iso dive on 2ndchosen1 and came away feeling he(?) is very town.

I agree on this

[Dannflor]

NPOM/unwnd - lack of any interaction with Hayker D1

this is an extremely weak case especially against someone that's pretty town read

[Papa Zito]

I'm still curious about your NPOM townread.

[Lunar Martian]

We didn't end the day because northsidegal asked for more time. Is it time to move on so we don't completely stall out?

[Papa Zito]

I still see no point in rushing the day.

[Lunar Martian]

In the past 24 hours we have generated one page of content including 3 prods. The game is stalled. There's no point in creating more apathy than there already is.

[Kazyan]

'Rushing' implies that we haven't taken the time to be thorough. But is there anyone, or anything, else we want to discuss?

VOTE: Hayker

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm being reserved because I'm that way across p much all my games since I can't put in the exact effort I want to put in for all of them, so I'm pulling my punches in all of them. I'll put in a concerted effort to sort the entire game if I get a good chance, but I don't want to push myself into focusing on X game when I have others I feel might deserve my time more.

You're currently in too many games? It's just temporary then? Why doesn't this game deserve your attention?

I'm being reserved because I'm that way across p much all my games since I can't put in the exact effort I want to put in for all of them, so I'm pulling my punches in all of them. I'll put in a concerted effort to sort the entire game if I get a good chance, but I don't want to push myself into focusing on X game when I have others I feel might deserve my time more.

Ah try not to join so many games then? I can slightly empathize but I can't do it for the sake of this thread.

This game is becoming a bit flat which leaves me slightly uneasy

it's less "too many games" and more "too little time"
but I'll try to do more now that I should be able to get more done in my available time

[Gamma Emerald]

why are people SRing PZ, his posting today has seemed quite good so either someone has to point out how it doesn't really add much or convince me to disregard that

[2ndchosen1]

I was hoping for more from NSG as I still had a Scumlean on HWS and more interaction may have changed that. we'll see for D3. Considering the amount of replacement and apparant apathy on amount of prods. I will consider that most people have said their piece.

Intent to Hammer later tonight unless significant conversation starts.

[Gamma Emerald]

A general list of my reads I've compiled
Dann _Town _ Mod announcement
PZ _ Townlean/??? _ D2 info delay + providing info + reads that seem accurate, if a bit WIFOMy
unwnd/NPOM _ Townlean/??? _ Both provide info by provoking town into engagement, unwnd asking Kazyan to not necessarily rethink the Hayker vote but to be sure and examine the situation carefully.
Kazyan _ ???/Townlean _ consistant explanation of motivation + thought out read on GE & LM - vote on hayker and be done with day = townlean
Gamma _ ??? _ Again, I can't get enough here, the recent pop-in seems more a result of the prod and I wouldn't make it negative, looking forward to elaboration post.
Elements _ ???/Scumlean _ When he does post it doesn't feel like it contributes much, purposely tries to obscure voting intentions.
LM _ Scumlean/??? _ PZ points out correctly that he attacks random people for reasons I see as flimsy. Has attacked PZ,Gamma, HWS, NPOM/unwnd, as for 905 ELI5? making a huff about being discredited earlier only makes it stand out more to me.
HWS _ Scumlean/??? _ Leans on player meta to defend hayker. Crappy role fishing. General Non-Participation(not just activity, but also content).
Hayker _ ScumHeavylean _ I don't care about KH mafia, I feel it's pretty easy to change gameplay even minutely, this game is currently more important.

I’d need to probe farther into this but I’m concerned about how weak these reads are. Even the most confident reads are given as leans, and there are a LOT of question marks.

[Hayker]

vote:hayker

My apologies to you mod

[Dannflor]

I really really like nsg's solve of Gamma/elements/Hayker, although a lot of that comes from the fact that Gamma and element's posting has been really egregiously not towny this day phase.

I think Zito's response to my case on him was overall towny.

nsg is not completely cleared but like... I don't know if it's worthwhile reconsidering her when these slots exist. Maybe don't give her a completely free pass after I'm gone but definitely listen

[Dannflor]

why are people SRing PZ, his posting today has seemed quite good so either someone has to point out how it doesn't really add much or convince me to disregard that

A general list of my reads I've compiled
Dann _Town _ Mod announcement
PZ _ Townlean/??? _ D2 info delay + providing info + reads that seem accurate, if a bit WIFOMy
unwnd/NPOM _ Townlean/??? _ Both provide info by provoking town into engagement, unwnd asking Kazyan to not necessarily rethink the Hayker vote but to be sure and examine the situation carefully.
Kazyan _ ???/Townlean _ consistant explanation of motivation + thought out read on GE & LM - vote on hayker and be done with day = townlean
Gamma _ ??? _ Again, I can't get enough here, the recent pop-in seems more a result of the prod and I wouldn't make it negative, looking forward to elaboration post.
Elements _ ???/Scumlean _ When he does post it doesn't feel like it contributes much, purposely tries to obscure voting intentions.
LM _ Scumlean/??? _ PZ points out correctly that he attacks random people for reasons I see as flimsy. Has attacked PZ,Gamma, HWS, NPOM/unwnd, as for 905 ELI5? making a huff about being discredited earlier only makes it stand out more to me.
HWS _ Scumlean/??? _ Leans on player meta to defend hayker. Crappy role fishing. General Non-Participation(not just activity, but also content).
Hayker _ ScumHeavylean _ I don't care about KH mafia, I feel it's pretty easy to change gameplay even minutely, this game is currently more important.

I’d need to probe farther into this but I’m concerned about how weak these reads are. Even the most confident reads are given as leans, and there are a LOT of question marks.

Gamma, this is the exact type of posting I do as scum. I understand you are strapped for time, but you need to be spending your precious time in thread stating your own reads, defending stances, pushing people. Right now, you're simply making vague stances and asking other people to fill in the gaps. That's not towny, that's scum trying to create the illusion of content.

Focus less on asking other people what their opinions are when you need to be looking at the thread and generating content yourself, at least if you're town and want to win the game.

Also I really really feel 2ndchosen1 is town but I also think he's one of the easier miselim targets in the game so be aware of that

[Dannflor]

I was hoping for more from NSG as I still had a Scumlean on HWS and more interaction may have changed that. we'll see for D3. Considering the amount of replacement and apparant apathy on amount of prods. I will consider that most people have said their piece.

Yeah I still have a minor amount of paranoia but nsg's contributions have made that slot net town overall

like I said, don't act like the slot is cleared but I'd definitely listen to her solve first

Also HeWhoSwims was mostly PoE / awkward posting. It's not impossible that slot is scum, especially if NSG completely lurks away after this. But if I had to bet money, I'd say the slot is town

[Dannflor]

I'm still curious about your NPOM townread.

I know you and NSG both asked about this.

I don't have an answer that I imagine will be completely satisfactory to either of you, but it's largely been a gut read. I simply didn't feel NPOM was a slot that could post at the volume and with the presence he did so (by this I mean being competitive and taking stances on things in the game) as scum. Or if he could, he would have seemed significantly... scummier?

unwnd's entrance has mostly just affirmed this read. I think he's entered with some really deep and hard to fake reads on Gamma, etc. And while this could come from reading the game before replacement... I don't think it's very likely. That facade would break down eventually anyway. I would still put the slot as one of my most confident town reads. Also unwnd was not afraid to challenge me coming into the game which is not really something scum in that position seems want to do considering they were my top town read and I was hard pushing a solve.

I actually wanted to ask NSG why she was faltering in getting a definitive read on that slot, or if there was anything specific troubling her, but alas

[Dannflor]

Sorry if any of that is hard to parse. I'm typing very fast because idk when datisi is gonna lock the thread

[Dannflor]

Oh, I'm gonna do this now, but if the thread locks. Maybe look at the elements wagon early D1? I pulled people off of, but I'd be interested in seeing how Gamma + others reacted to that plus my forcing of people off of it

[Dannflor]

I like all of: Kazyan, Lunar Martian, 2ndchosen1 for town and I think there's a low probability any of them are like deep wolf material. Lunar/Kazyan might catch some flak for wanting to end the day early but I don't think that's a big deal in the end. I think they wanted to do it with a pro-town mindset and generally Hayker's partners are gonna want to avoid that type of spotlight

[Dannflor]

Kazyan, Lunar Martian, 2ndchosen1

coincidentally I also think this is the pool miselims are gonna be pushed in more than likely

[Dannflor]

Oh, I'm gonna do this now, but if the thread locks. Maybe look at the elements wagon early D1? I pulled people off of, but I'd be interested in seeing how Gamma + others reacted to that plus my forcing of people off of it

nvm they didn't really interact at all that I can see

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, this is the exact type of posting I do as scum. I understand you are strapped for time, but you need to be spending your precious time in thread stating your own reads, defending stances, pushing people. Right now, you're simply making vague stances and asking other people to fill in the gaps. That's not towny, that's scum trying to create the illusion of content.

Focus less on asking other people what their opinions are when you need to be looking at the thread and generating content yourself, at least if you're town and want to win the game.

Also I really really feel 2ndchosen1 is town but I also think he's one of the easier miselim targets in the game so be aware of that

This is what I’m doing to try and form reads right now, at least for the second post. I don’t want to start at square one just yet so right now I’m probing stuff that sticks out from recent posting in order to see how people respond, which will make my reads develop.
Since thread is gonna close soon I wanna state unwnd is a bit of a pocket SR because I don’t like how he presented the meta point against me and he is low key obvtown in his town games and I can’t see that here

[unwnd]

Have been busy a bit but

Self-vote from Hayker pretty much says he gives up, which is kinda unfortunate but red is red either way. There's no way I can believe a town-aligned Doctor self-vote and if they do

I'm disappointed lol

[unwnd]

Gamma, this is the exact type of posting I do as scum. I understand you are strapped for time, but you need to be spending your precious time in thread stating your own reads, defending stances, pushing people. Right now, you're simply making vague stances and asking other people to fill in the gaps. That's not towny, that's scum trying to create the illusion of content.

Focus less on asking other people what their opinions are when you need to be looking at the thread and generating content yourself, at least if you're town and want to win the game.

Also I really really feel 2ndchosen1 is town but I also think he's one of the easier miselim targets in the game so be aware of that

This is what I’m doing to try and form reads right now, at least for the second post. I don’t want to start at square one just yet so right now I’m probing stuff that sticks out from recent posting in order to see how people respond, which will make my reads develop.
Since thread is gonna close soon I wanna state unwnd is a bit of a pocket SR because I don’t like how he presented the meta point against me and he is low key obvtown in his town games and I can’t see that here

Are you sure that you can't see that here merely because I've suggested your head?

[Gamma Emerald]

Dann do you remember who all has pushed PZ today?
I’m also gonna try to ferret out who Hayker’s partners are before thread lock