TENET - Algorithm Assembled

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So we’re killing in (dunn, lld) today right?

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So we’re killing in (dunn, lld) today right?

Yeah, but there are 6 scum, so they are probably gonna tlak out of it.
Dandelion also sorta scumclaimed EoD.

How?

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Caution is for cowards, let’s speedwagon lld lol

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Annie, you’re an alt right? Have we played together?

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So it’s prob (dandelion, lld, dunn) and we need 3 more, yes?

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Annie, you’re an alt right? Have we played together?

Hydra.

This is notsci.

Oh, cool

Are you scum? I’m finding it kinda weird given your recent form that you haven’t killed any scum yet

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any strong TRs mena?

pedit : yea

I think fb might be town

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I never read during the night so ngl my gameplan here is basically sheep skitter’s dying thoughts

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Can someone tell me who the slots running the game have been?

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Annie Edison (notscience/The Bulge)

wow I’m dumb lmao

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Not sure I’ve ever seen fb make 900 posts before as scum

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Okay so spiffeh goes into the scum pool

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(Spiffeh, dunn, lld, dandelion)

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Not sure I’ve ever seen fb make 900 posts before as scum

and this is out of his range?

I mean ideally I need to also see what he’s actually been posting because if it’s just the bee movie script then admittedly he falls a bit

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Pooky have you managed to continue your disproportionate number of scum rolls in games I’m in?

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Pooky mildly sus for not saying hi tbh

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Pooky mildly sus for not saying hi tbh

im busy trying to overthrow the bad guys

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I would like to remind everyone that A50 is still transparently scum and that should not be lost in the shuffle

Fine with limming LLD today but he needs to go next

Why is A50 scum?

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Also spiffeh lowkey same question to you as to notsci, how come you haven’t guillotined any scum yet if you’re town?

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Why is Cabd scum?

Also I’m not voting for A50

Why is dunn town @spiffeh

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please read me based off my posts

Well after like 2 secs of looking in ur iso I’m not sure this is as helpful to ur cause as u think

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It would be so spicy if we didn’t wait or massclaim and just speedwagoned lld tho...

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Dunn has done nothing to change that opinion

He just miselimmed skitter on bad logic and she pointed this out at the time and then bell was killed who I’m p sure had promised skitter he’d re-evaluate the slot on her townflip

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Menalque I think your slot is town if that helps!

Not really tbh

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Who do you think was in control gypx?

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Pooky why did you get turnstiled?

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Who's going to vote LLD first

I would already have voted if I’d played this game from D1 but I feel like as my time commitment is a lot lower in terms of what I’ve invested I don’t wanna be the one to make that call

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Who do you think was in control gypx?

didn't feel like anyone was really in control? yeah if i had to name someone it would probably be dunn / brian, but i don't think there was much control on fowards

Was this the case the whole game or did it shift at some point?

Ugh you people are gonna try to make me read back aren’t you

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VOTE: lld

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UNVOTE:

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There u go midway now it’s ur turn

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So like

Fb
A50
Gypyx, pooky?

Annie, midway

(Spiffeh, lld, dunn, dandelion)

Leaving like (Brian, superbowl) to be sorted

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All of your posting feels incredibly agenda-y, spiffeh

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any reason you give a big worth to skitters dying thought mena? is it meta?

Listen, if skitter is confirmed town (check) and has been playing hard (check) then /not/ giving HEAVY weight to what she’s saying *especially* when she’s been pushed through as a miselim is just really dumb and leads to losing games more than it leads to winning them

Hence why we do either dunn or lld today, and why A50 is off limits

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Okay I think midway can go into the town people as well I guess

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Have you read any A50 posts, Menal?

Don’t need to, I saw from ISOing you that skitt said he’s town and she’s got like an insane accuracy level on him while I’m notoriously bad at reading him

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Gypyx u scum bud?

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What was ur tinfoil?

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No we do lld or dunn today, you can wait

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we dont need to discuss a50 because today is about killing town leaders that have been corrupted by Sator. cough cabd cough

Pooky who is your solve? Just for clarity it would be nice to see it written out in its totality

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What was ur tinfoil?

Cabd scum got us to flip scum Super Bowl and spiffy

Okay talk me through this then

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Also neither of those slots are flipped so I’m not entirely sure what you’re getting at, do you mean scum!cabd was bussing both of them?

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any reason you give a big worth to skitters dying thought mena? is it meta?

Listen, if skitter is confirmed town (check) and has been playing hard (check) then /not/ giving HEAVY weight to what she’s saying *especially* when she’s been pushed through as a miselim is just really dumb and leads to losing games more than it leads to winning them

Hence why we do either dunn or lld today, and why A50 is off limits

that's fair alright, although i find that kinda excessive

I can find you some past games in a bit but in the meantime check the most recent JK9++ (modded by ducky) where town didn’t sheep skitter (and lost) and lilith’s betrayal game where they did sheep her (and won)

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Pooky who is your solve? Just for clarity it would be nice to see it written out in its totality

im kinda hoping to just kill the obvious bad guys in cabd/dunn and then skitter&co revive as treestumps and maps out the rest of the game for us.

Y not lld?

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Isn't skitter supposed to revive today or no. (3-4)

Nah, tomorrow if we hit right today

Although I guess we could no elim actually, that might not be an awful plan

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Oh wait no we can’t

I’m confused shouldn’t we be at 14 rn?

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Spoiler: Stuff from hood that is literally useless now but shiny and I worked on it so blah

Wtf am I looking at here

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I don't understand why she saves me from death and bets her life on peta scum when its way easier for her to let Peta kill me and then kill Peta today when I flip town.

Maybe bc this way you simp for her when she’s under the most pressure

Also, you didn’t understand why I’d policy the strongest PR in one night stand either :3

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(The reason was I needed allies and doing something that seemed transparently dumb for scum!me to do was a bid to get them)

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Also neither of those slots are flipped so I’m not entirely sure what you’re getting at, do you mean scum!cabd was bussing both of them?

No he got them turnstiled to activate their PRs

What PRs have they claimed? Or is this just spec that they’re PRs?

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Maybe bc this way you simp for her when she’s under the most pressure

Also, you didn’t understand why I’d policy the strongest PR in one night stand either :3

your scum-mate also didn't understand it!

There’s a lot my scum buddy didn’t understand including something called “playing to win”

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From the sort by postcount theorem, Gypyx can be town

Gypyx is town anyway

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Anyway pooky we agree dunn is scum right so let’s just kill him and then we can argue about the order for lld/cabd tomorrow

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Also I’m ngl I know this is a weird mechanic game but that’s not my strongpoint

Can I still do turnstile or purple room at this point or nah?

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I’m still townreading dunn so saying I’ll vote dunn is lolsy

lol why tho

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VOTE: turnstile: mena
VOTE: purple room: mena

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I am going last when we massclaim btw

No

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Also agree with midway that massclaim feels like a distraction

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yes I am

Then u and I are never claiming because I’m never claiming before you

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All your information is useless to me unless you either kill someone or prevent a kill

Dayvig: pooky

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I had scum!A50 pegged on Day 1 and no one listened

But please read me based off my posts and don't BoP me because it will just lead to my mislim and town loss TIA

I've been trying to help. ):

Why do u think A50 is scum?

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Nah I think pooky is one of the homies fb

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Listen u 2 can fight over dumb shit or accept ur both town and we kill dunn and get on the road to winning this for the homies

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rc can kiss my ass

for the homies?

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Listen u 2 can fight over dumb shit

excuse me this is all mafia is about.

Wait you’re saying it’s not about logic and emotional intuition?

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don't trust mena

Come on now firewoofer u can trust me

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Firebringer have unconsidered that maybe you’re the person the scumteam has decided to try and cultivate this game to win it for them in the lategame?

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don't trust mena

Come on now firewoofer u can trust me

ur prior person was shading me on dumb stuff. U just now came into this thread with weird like "ohh he osted alot thats weird. He could be out of scum range but if its bee movie prolly not"

But am I wrong tho

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It’s just my soul read on your firebringer

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I also didn’t mean about my expressed logic I just meant about whether ur town or not lol

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I'm fine with voting LLD, Gyx, or A50 today.

I see your gypyx and I’ll raise you a dunnstral

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Does a successful elim in scum today require ever single member of town voting there assuming no bussing? I think it does right

We’re so screwed lol

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I am a vanilla cop in the inverted thread

...why were you making a big deal about claiming last then? Also why didn’t you check A50?

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Yes Menal

We also need to lim all six scum in a row with no mistakes

I knew this already

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Does a successful elim in scum today require ever single member of town voting there assuming no bussing? I think it does right

We’re so screwed lol

Yeah, so fix your reads.

I’m outsourcing my reads to skitt bc hers are better than mine and she’s confirmed town and has been here all game

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And the things she said were “dunn is scum” and “don’t let lld get away with being wrong on me and peta”

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A50 feels like the designated game losing misguillo

Not necessarily for today but for some point

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If we lose, we lose by taking of our shackles from our oppressors and taking back what is ours.

I’m hearing we have nothing to lose but our chains?

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Her reads were also a hot mess yesterday

How so?

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which i don't have but u might.

Someone clearly hasn’t been paying attention to my mafiascum(dot)net season 2 arc during 2020

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She does that anyway it’s not a reason to think her reads were a mess as opposed to just adjusting to the circumstances and to new info

And I’ll pass on developing my own reads until after the people skitter thought were scum are dead

What were the concerns about gypyx?

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Cabd/Dunnstral/Spiffey/Brian actually kinda makes sense for the bad guys.

Just add lld and ur getting real close

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Nah I don’t really think Brian is scum actually

I think he’s wrong

But he doesn’t seem scummy really

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mena mena mena lets do this

I want to but you’ve pocketed me too many times as scum for me to just go along with you on it

Also I wanna do lld/dunn and I’m still gonna need some pretty solid convincing before I agree to vote anywhere that’s not in those two

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Turns out cabd is a governor who’s gonna post the “you come at the king you best not miss” clip in twilight

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mena if i was a baddie i wouldnt need to beg for votes like a peasant

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I also wanna be turnstiled and ideally purple roomed before we end day

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if over throw the royals, will that not make us royals?

We’ll never be royals, it don’t run in our blood

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That kinda lux just ain’t for us I guess

I think we crave a different kind of buzz, fb

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So is dandelion confscum
Unless the team is (Brian, midway, pooky, fb)?

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Mena cmon just vote.

IVE BEEN BURNED BY YOU SO MANT TIMES POOKY LMAO

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I feel like one of your hobbies is specifically getting me to do stuff for you when ur scum

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HELP SEND HELP IM BEING SWAYED

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Is it actually just pooky Brian midway fb ???

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????????????

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Gypyx why does that post sound so sus lol

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Oh I hate this so much this is why we should have just speedwagoned lld at start of day before the paranoia started hitting me

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Hnnnnnnng

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Okay that does sound sort of like a scumpost

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Maybe gypyx is scum actually

Does that mean Brian town

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Cabd isn’t even here and you guys are wavering

I just don’t wanna be the game losing mis vote in a large AGAIN

It’s happened like 4 times lmao

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Pooky u brought this on yourself by eroding any ability I have to trust you other than when u are literally confirmed town to me

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And the fact you’ve done it to me so many times makes me feel like you WOULD do it to me again pooky

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I’m not saying ur scum

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I’m just saying I’m very reluctant to follow ur vote aorn

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And I’m not saying it’s your fault, it’s on me, but just like do you not get what this is like fmpov?

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Why are you getting upset? :/

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Like fmpov I’ve just repped in, i think cabd!slot can be scum but I’m also like not really in this game in a meaningful way yet and you’re telling me to trust you and to vote him

Which okay yea I kind of do wanna do

But I am holding back because I feel it’s kind of unfair for me (who has an involvement in this game of like 2 hrs tops) to make potentially a decision that ends the game for all the town players who have put in dozens of hours and made hundreds/thousands of posts

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I’m struggling to trust you because I know from experience that I can’t read you

That’s not really my fault or your fault but it’s not this unreasonable thing for me to say and idk why you’re guilting me about it

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And the thing you’re asking me to trust you on is big because if this is one of the cases where I /shouldn’t/ trust you then it’s not just that we misguillo but the game just ends and I’ve thrown

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Argh I don’t wanna make the choice either

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How do I read you?

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Like if you think there’s a difference between your scum game and your town game that I should be able to perceive now is prob the time to tell me about it if you think I’ll be able to see it after reading your ISO

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SHES NOT HERE

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THAT WOULD BE DEFAULT APPROACH OTHERWISE

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Oh also I seriously do wanna be turnstiled/purpled before we elim I keep forgetting that

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I think the answer is that dunn is probably just scum and skitter was right

Which correspondingly makes me feel better about pooky, I think?

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Whisper it, but I don’t think pooky is scum here and the way he’s getting pushed honestly seems much scummier to me

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I think menalque replacing in dashed any hopes of a town win

oof

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Why were you gagging for a skitter misguillo yesterday then dunn?

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And why, when she asked you about where you’d go the next day, weren’t you wanting to go after the person who logically should have been scum if she was town and instead said you’d look at a different 1v1?

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So spiffeh and dunn are scum together right pooky?

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I pushed skitter yesterday because lld was softing investigative pr like crazy

And skitter was also claiming an investigative pr

And I didn't feel the need to elaborate on my read when I could get skitter killed without doing so, because if lld was town keeping her hidden was ideal.

And make no mistake, skitter would have still died if I claimed that lld was softing yesterday

And why did you decide that skitt should die over lld?

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Who was the other CCer?

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Oh for fuck’s sake

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Also dunn go and vote me for the turnstile/purple room

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No

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I think I’d like to wait for A50 to arrive before we elim and for Super Bowl to say more

Also I’m getting this horrible itching crawling feeling all over like I’m actually maybe gonna need to *shudders* read the game

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Yes lld is scum but that’s still no reason to rush this and there’s 0 reasons I’m seeing why you can’t be scum with her or why dunn can’t be

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The panic about the vote feels more like scum panic than town panic I think

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I could always be wrong but the whole OMG IF X DOESNT UNVOTE WE LOSE is something I think scum tend to do more often and it’s just being done in such a performative way I think?

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Whereas it makes a lot of sense if the scumplan was like, bus lld and then go for win tomorrow

And dandelion being confirmed scum threatens to fuck that up or allow too many elims on scum to take place for whatever the plan is

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Yes lld is scum but that’s still no reason to rush this and there’s 0 reasons I’m seeing why you can’t be scum with her or why dunn can’t be

Do you have that little respect for my skills as scum, that I would let such an obviously TERRIBLE fakeclaim happen?

Well I mean lld is meant to be pretty good at scum and yet she still seems like she’s pretty def scum so I’m not sure the fakeclaim says anything about the abilities of anyone on the scumteam

Also that’s just wifom lol

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Honestly sb looking pretty sus imo

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My reasoning for this is the old mastina principle: the person who is explaining something in the more convoluted way is more likely to be scum

In this case, theorising the existence of an “inverter” role rather than just getting to the obvious conclusion that lld is scum who faked a guilty

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Mwb is probably scum too if it’s true that he was scumreading pooky and then just... spontaneously voted with him in lylo

That also maaaaybe means dandelion... isn’t scum?

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I guess it could be a planned bus

I think killing lld is the correct move today most likely

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I’m wondering if there’s a PT spy tbh

This is now an officially claimed role, correct? Which makes this sound a lot like TMI to me

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I’m wondering if there’s a PT spy tbh

I doubt it.

~TDB

And it was claimed by this slot, no? Making this post kinda weird

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Is Dunn’s role confirmed?

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My impression of notsci’s early D7 is that he’s not town this game but I don’t wanna bet the game on that yet

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I appreciate the help on things that have happened and when as I’m trying to catch up but you should know that there is still a BIG question mark for me when it comes to whether you’re town

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Mwb why did you vote with a top SR in lylo?

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@mod is it possible that there is a role/power that can gain access to the Purple Room separate from the public vote?

Okay I guess notsci asking about a PT spy isn’t that incriminating if town!S_S was wondering along similar lines

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Dandelion and I guess others, was midway pushing you at all yesterday/on days previous to yesterday?

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Okay so

Lld more or less has to be scum, all the scenarios where she’s not just seem crazy unlikely given the fake guilty/pushes on skitt and peta/claim that her role is the only one with flavour in it while nobody else’s has that

Dunn is likely scum for interactions with skitter as I was reading yesterday before repping in, also skitt was probably in a uniquely good position to know if his reasons were BS or not as he was pushing her

sb +scum for this nonsense around there maybe being an “inverter” that could explain lld

MWB +scum probably for voting with a top SR unless maybe it comes out that he was pushing dandelion even harder than pooky yesterday

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Annie +scum for early D7 posts in inverted imo

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You’re a towel

Me? And what does that even mean?

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Oh right
The clip is funny but notsci is still more likely scum than not

We don’t kill him today tho bc I think whoever said the plan is get to skitter, then use skitter to get to muffin, and then use muffin to get to imperium had it right in terms of how we win this I reckon

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Questions: why was unwnd apparently a big TR in the game? Who was TRing him a lot?

Why did unwnd rep out?

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I think rereading unwnd knowing skitter is town he looks a lot worse, and I think people townreading dunn because of his pred should prob do that.

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I wasn’t really going anywhere? It was literally me explaining who was who so you don’t have to qualify everything you say.

Why am I scummy?

Ok lets take a step back

I thought you were posting this whole time, but honestly i dont really care who was posting so long as whoever wrote the post regarding my reads can explain why it's weird and what the significance of the weirdness was

If that wasnt you, that's fine, but i would like to talk to your other head abt that when they're around plz

I very strongly dislike this 'weird that more of my reads are on the other thread' thing. It feels like something you lot threw out there and doesnt feel like a real thought because the followup i'd have expected in a few different places repeatedly isnt happening
A lot of the things you're posting are kinda pinging wrong
I think you may be trying to buddy brian across threads

Are you joking? WE HAVE A THREAD TO FIND SCUM IN - maybe if you cant find reads in our thread then... scumhunt?? You don’t think that you saying finding scum in a thread you’re spectating is easier than one you’re contributing to is an indicator or anything?

I dislike this a lot knowing that skitter is town and I think her naturally having more reads on the other thread to begin with is fine, but the sort of thing that looks optically scummy

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Pooky next time you’re here can you run me through why dandelion is scum again?

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I know, I know, preflip associatives this, fool’s errand that, but I don’t think that superbowl and lld sound very TvS around pg 21-22 in the inverted thread, and given that I think we have to work off the assumption that lld is scum i think that’s probably further evidence for +scum in the case of sb

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I don’t think pooky is scum really and I’m also pretty unpersuaded on it being A50 so

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Okay so

Lld more or less has to be scum, all the scenarios where she’s not just seem crazy unlikely given the fake guilty/pushes on skitt and peta/claim that her role is the only one with flavour in it while nobody else’s has that

Dunn is likely scum for interactions with skitter as I was reading yesterday before repping in, also skitt was probably in a uniquely good position to know if his reasons were BS or not as he was pushing her

sb +scum for this nonsense around there maybe being an “inverter” that could explain lld

MWB +scum probably for voting with a top SR unless maybe it comes out that he was pushing dandelion even harder than pooky yesterday

Annie +scum for early D7 posts in inverted imo

This is the base of my solve as things stand

(Lld, dunn, mwb, sb, annie) + probably either one of (brian, dandelion) or maybe just you spiffeh

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But okay gotta try and sleep now, tbc

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You may try to present reasons for the assertions about (dunn, sb, yourself) and I will take them into consideration tomorrow when I come back to this

But like, frankly, everyone here has been doing a terrible job and while it’s very possible I will too i think it’s time to pass the reigns over this game to someone with fresh eyes ie me

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Questions: why was unwnd apparently a big TR in the game? Who was TRing him a lot?

Why did unwnd rep out?

You responding to this while I’m gone would be useful too

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I dislike this a lot knowing that skitter is town and I think her naturally having more reads on the other thread to begin with is fine, but the sort of thing that looks optically scummy

Yo what are you actually talking about I have been one of skitter's only supporters this whole damn game I have been consistently on the let's not elim skitter side against the will of literally almost everyone else in this damn game

Not from what I’ve read so far. If that’s how it is later, I’ll think about it

If it helps your solve you can confidently consider LLD and A50 as flipped scum at this point

We literally cannot flip LLD even if she is scum because I'm not on it. If town we lose the game anyways. So this is probly not a good idea.

Well then get your head out of your ass because lld is scum and that’s where we’re going today. The chain of coincidences and just bizzaro things that would need to have happened for her to not be scum is too long

A50 is consensus scum for a reason Mena. Try to towncase him please. Compare his contributions to anyone in this game (even dunn) and he's been near useless.

How about this? Scum have absolutely stomped town this game. A50 is fully capable of playing uselessly as town (not always, sometimes he’s great, but he definitely has games where he does nothing). And if I were scum I can think of nobody I would want to bring to 13p lylo more than a lazy-game A50. So either you’ve brilliantly PoE’d one of the scum masterminds who has been outplaying you extremely hard up to this point at the 11th hour... or you’re walking in perfectly to what scum wanted you to do, just like you have for the *entire game up to this point*

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Brian needs to unvote immediately

I'm not scum and I'm not unvoting.

What about to vote lld if you think they’re both scum?

I think menalque replacing in dashed any hopes of a town win

He certainly doesn't inspire any confidence from me.

Thanks!

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Nice, I’m inverted now

Hi A50 you arrived

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Who did you track last night then?

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Did lld claim her role on D1?

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I would most like to see lld dead today I think, I’m just still trying to gradually work my way through some of the backlog

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Who here thinks pooky is town

*raises hand*

Or more, I don’t think he’s very scummy

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I feel like I already did this *thinking*

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Okay so

Lld more or less has to be scum, all the scenarios where she’s not just seem crazy unlikely given the fake guilty/pushes on skitt and peta/claim that her role is the only one with flavour in it while nobody else’s has that

Dunn is likely scum for interactions with skitter as I was reading yesterday before repping in, also skitt was probably in a uniquely good position to know if his reasons were BS or not as he was pushing her

sb +scum for this nonsense around there maybe being an “inverter” that could explain lld

MWB +scum probably for voting with a top SR unless maybe it comes out that he was pushing dandelion even harder than pooky yesterday

Annie +scum for early D7 posts in inverted imo

@gypyx

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Super Bowl made a point about there being max 4 scum in one timeline, so I guess prob whoever wasn’t in the inverted timeline to begin with from (dandy, brian) because probably one of those two is scum given lack of hammer (yeah yeah I know, sCuM wOuLdN’T rIsK iT aLl oN a QuIcKhAMmEr, but it’s been days, and you can pull off a 6 person quickhammer in like less than a minute if you do it well, and Brian/dandy have been unreliably online so they’d have to be PRETTY unlucky to get caught)

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Well, here’s the ~*experienced*~ player who thinks scum deciding to coast it out bc of the infinitesimally small chance of dandy/Brian!town being online to unvote is a lot less likely than them just... winning the game

And I don’t want to, actually, because I’m not sure who the scum is there! And I’ve said about 10 times that I have a preference for an lld execution today and that’s very likely where I’ll be voting later this game day!

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Can someone explain to me how lld is ever not scum after false guiltying someone and given that why would we ever take a shot in the 50/50 today (aka the hardest day to not lose lylo due to how many scum there are) vs saving that for later?

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SB, is Dandelion town?

This js a game where we need to solve for all 5 other townies.

FB is a townie (and I will go find thos eposts for him, this weekend has been alot)
Dunn is probably a townie which is concerning.
Annie Edison is town.

So I need 2 more townies.

I don't think Spiffeh A50 Melanique Brian or MWB are town.

So from Pooky Dandelion and Gxypx, 2 are town.

Gx probably town?

So I am back to where I was before.

One of Pooky and Dandelion is town and pooky passed the test earlier..
I swear to GOD pooky is town I think but maybe i was wrong yesterday?

I would say scum 6 is Dandelion except the lack of voting after dandelion was run up and the lack of a voordinated hammer after DAYS of Dandelion voting Brian means at least one of them is scum

Possibly both.

So for me, since Brian js def. Scum

Either Dandelion is scum being bussed by Brian and no one did anything

Or dandelion is town and no townie voted him long enough to have the quick hammer.

God pooky was on that wagon and left it at a good time to draw attention away?

Mmm

I can’t really quantify it but this feels like the readslist you give when you’re going for the win today

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Can someone explain to me how lld is ever not scum after false guiltying someone and given that why would we ever take a shot in the 50/50 today (aka the hardest day to not lose lylo due to how many scum there are) vs saving that for later?

Already told you how its possible scum have a results inverter

Yeah no offence but that’s a scummy theory

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I’m not betting the game on “oh maybe scum have a results inverter”

So again, the question is: does anyone have a *plausible* way that lld is town after a false guilty?

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The fact that superbowl is having to come up with stretches for why lld is /not/ scum instead of just putting 2 and 2 together here is big + partner equity imo

I’m literally only not voting because I’m so out of context this game, nobody is really helping very much with that, and I’m reluctant to lead on it until someone confirms for me that the lld thing doesn’t have some v simple and logical explanation and that the false guilty thing isn’t being peddled by scum

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I’m not seeing why it’s unreasonable at all for all of (dandy, superbowl, lld, Brian) to be scum together as it seems like there’s an attempt to force a false dichotomy between 2 slots here who have both been scummy and are under susp instead of just... eliminating the obvscum slot that is lld (again, pending confirmation there’s not good explanation for her false guilty)

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But it would be real nice if I could get a few people (enough to feel confident that they’re not all scum misleading me) telling me just exactly what the fuck happened with the false guilty

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I guess tomorrow I’ll try to look up the relevant bit of the game, if anyone remembers where it went down then a link would be nice too ty

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did she act like she was just expecting to be sheeped on it/hard push with minimal additional info?

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I really don't care if you think it's scummy

I mean, you should, because if I’m wrong then okay game over but if I’m right then I think there’s reasonable chances I die soonish and if you’re not just scum then that looks real bad for you my G

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She checked firebringer N1, no gun. Checked peta N2, gun. Accuses Peta and he flips green, hence where we are rn. Checked Dandelion N3, gun

And when did she start claiming results?

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I mean when did she start publicly giving them

Also I agree the game is most likely a loss but I think eliminating lld is probably the best bet on it not being

I also don’t think your thing of her having been reversed makes sense because it means that she’s been targeted every night since N1? Or her results are just worthless? But occam’s to me is still she’s lying about results or just straight making them up and the reason she’s doing that is she’s scum

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I also do think it’s significant that skitt died saying to pay more attention to lld today

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I also don’t think your thing of her having been reversed makes sense because it means that she’s been targeted every night since N1? Or her results are just worthless? But occam’s to me is still she’s lying about results or just straight making them up and the reason she’s doing that is she’s scum

No it would be a 1 shot ability that reverses all results

This sounds insanely OP

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Can you like take a day and maybe chill a lil bit superbowl and then try to look at this from my perspective as someone who has just (okay no longer just but still) replaced in to a game that is cumulatively like, what, 500 pages?

Like yea it’s been going badly but if you’re town then you need to either sell me on lld!town not based on what I think are pretty unlikely mechanical reasons or you need to compromise and work with me (a slot that you think is town based on what you’ve said today)

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I’m trying to give you a chance to say your piece now and I’m telling you that I will seriously consider it if you can give me a compelling argument?

Like again, can you try to meet me halfway here? Do you get what I don’t find persuasive about your mechanics argument?

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*for why lld is town

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Okay, could you try to explain to me what about those reads is compelling to you? What is it that they’ve each done that has made you think they’re town and that continues to sell you on that?

I’m really not a player who is a slave to mechanics so if you can persuade me that what they’ve done just doesn’t make sense for them to do as scum on a play level, I’m willing to listen. But I need to see why you think they’ve been so town that it overrides what I think is decently strong mechanical evidence in favour of at least lld being scum, and without that it’s very hard for me to see how you’re town

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Because I’m having trouble trusting you sb! Like you can tell me that A50 is obvscum but (1) he doesn’t seem like obvscum to me (2) lld sort of does and (3) I don’t get why you don’t see that too in the latter case

If I can’t understand where you’re coming from and how you’re making that read, it’s very hard for me to trust that it’s real as opposed to the alternative explanation which is that it’s made up. Idk why town!you would be making up reads in lylo, so my inability to see how you’re formulating your reads or why you’re putting so much stock into them here makes me not want to sheep you

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The problem is that can very much be a feature of A50’s towngame and so I don’t think it’s really lockscummy for him in the way it would be for, let’s say skitter

What has dandy done to help during the game? Because it seems like (given the all green flips) their help has not actually been that helpful. I don’t get what the significance of the deacon townlock on the slot is either? Cabd is presumably capable of pocketing ffery and if scum last night is prob the perfect time to make that kill (before she gets a chance to re-evaluate in lylo)

Okay, with lld could you talk about some of the times when your thought processes have been similar? Have you considered that she might have been playing for a pocket on you and that’s why your reads are similar/have been similar?

What do you think was towny about her reaction today?

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That is indeed helpful for context but what is kinda confusing to me is that, and tell me if I’m wrong here, you don’t seem particularly interested in re-examining your reads and I’m not sure I get that?

Like, townbloc good, townbloc strong, but someone explained to me once that it’s only good for so long if green keeps flipping and then it’s time to start again from scratch and see if people really deserve to be in the townbloc still or if the reason green has been flipping is because scum infiltrated and have been misleading it

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I’m not sure I get why you think dandy was definitely solving and not misleading town? Do you just not put them at that level or is there something specific about how they’ve approached the game/tried to solve that seemed super towny?

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I mean I guess I don’t find that persuasive because I think scum have clearly been playing well this game overall and given that even if A50!scum the whole scumteam can’t have been playing low effort dandy!scum isn’t really clearing

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I really gotta sleep soon but I think the main thing concerning me about you atp is your non-negotiable thing, sb

Like maybe I’m SRing play style difference here and that’s probably my main fear

But I don’t really get why you’re townlocking me/lld (still, after talking to you about it) or why A50 is so lockscummed when one of your locktowns (me) is telling you that what he’s been doing isn’t particularly strongly scum indicative for him

I mean, frustrating, sure, but not to the level where he shouldn’t be reconsidered just like everyone else

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I mean, don’t take this the wrong way sb but I think that mentality is very disadvantageous to have if you’re town in a lylo situation. I’m sympathetic bc I think it’s always tough to remove “who would I be okay losing to?” from the equation but like you’re here to play this game, not an abstract future game. I think that means trying at least to look at me and lld with fresh eyes rather than betting it all on if you’ve been right/wrong up to this point

My point around A50 is not that he’s town — my point is that if he does a behaviour as both alignments then it seems logically wrong to conclude he’s scum when he does that behaviour... when to me at least it’s pretty much equally plausible that he’s town who just isn’t doing a lot. This is reinforced for me by the fact that I’ve misguillotined him like, a lot. Including when other players were saying he was town because in those games I’d become convinced he was just that scummy

Look, ultimately, you get to make a call about what you’re gonna do and how to approach this lylo. If you settle on your way then so be it I guess. But I am asking you, more or less beseeching you to, if you’re town, just ty to step back a little bit as really think about what I’m saying on the “re-evaluate every slot” thing. Even if you don’t end up doing it, I’d really appreciate it if you could at least take a day or something to mull that over and think about what I’m saying and why

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there's no way we're going to execute correctly 6 times in a row.

Not with this sort of attitude we’re not!

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Pooky what do you think about the whole lld thing and my conversation with superbowl?

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@notsci i hope u and ur gf are okay :/

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Hi

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Would inverted roles getting the opposite results not be bastard? That sounds like it would be bastard if it’s standard for every role in inverted timeline