Sunny 2: Rules of Im-peachment - Over!

[Cheetory6]

Also, a townie has no reason to be as callous and denigrating as Cheetory in his interrogation of me - oh Zaiden would be useless anyway as the game goes on so it's a win win

Literally not what I said at all:

his reasoning for things is extremely hard to parse alignment from and his engagement is surface level.
it could just be a personality thing, but there's literally no way you can get to endgame playing like that.

This reads to you like I'm saying you're bad so it's not a loss?
Like, this is such an overreaction.
Quote me where I'm being as much of an asshole as you're saying I'm being.

[Cheetory6]

I'm literally pushing you to answer questions so that I can sort you and have given reasons why I'm pushing you
and your response to that is to call me a fucking asshole?????
What?

[Pink Ball]

Oof

[Cheetory6]

I'm gonna VLA I can't deal with this.
Hbd zaiden and cakez you don't have to listen to me supposedly be a huge fucking asshole I guess!

[Jingle]

Alright.

VOTE: Noraa

Pending sanity confirmation from teammates, I'm pretty much sold here.

Noraa turns around from

I mean I think im rather obvtown but I always think that soooooooooo that's fun!

to this

Wow im concerned now. I've never heard Dannflour's name in terms of playing mafia but ik they modded a lot. I expect better reads than this from them and you tbh.
When I saw this, I immediately started thinking that you were scum pushing Private and me. To be honest, I agree Private's post was scummy but it was also extremely LHF-y and from my experience, the mish mash mods can sometimes be full time LHF.

With functionally nothing but fluffposting in the middle.

Noraa has played exactly one game with me. One game in which shellyc was both town and scum and I got shot due to a mod error on N2. Noraa herself says she doesn't know shit about Dann. And yet... I'm a strong scumread on the basis of BoP.

Despite this, there is like no effort put into convincing anyone that I'm actually scum.

Combining that with the fact that she's scumreading mwb for sheeping a Nancy read while ignoring PB doing literally the exact same thing (Note: PB brought this up):

Pink Ball why is SPF your strongest SR?
I can understand your logic on me but that read seems less developed which doesn’t exactly make sense for your strongest read

You're right, it's less developed. It's based on her entrance on p1, and SirCakez picked exactly what I thought about her when she entered the game. Since it's a p1 read it's more of a gut read than a developed read, but it's stronger than what I have developed towards you or my other reads.

The important thing is, and that's why I said that I'm happy with my reads right now, at the end of the day, SPF can flip whatever, and SirCakez will still be town.

And also sheeping reads on Maria herself.

Seems pretty obv to me that she's just making shit up to see what sticks.

[midwaybear]

VOTE: Jake
I think Gamma is town, and I do think Jake's fixation around Gamma is scummy (I think this is what Zaiden sees?).

@Jingle I think Noraa's town play is extremely erratic and can appear pretty scummy. I have no clue if her scum game is similar to this, but these sort of wild reads are generally what I would expect.

[staypositivefriend]

VOTE: Jake
I think Gamma is town, and I do think Jake's fixation around Gamma is scummy (I think this is what Zaiden sees?).

@Jingle I think Noraa's town play is extremely erratic and can appear pretty scummy. I have no clue if her scum game is similar to this, but these sort of wild reads are generally what I would expect.

would you mind selling me on gamma being town? is it just because you feel that they are playing in such a lazy/passive way that you feel would be counter-intuitive for scum to do?

[Jingle]

It's not that she's being erratic, it's that she's taking stances I don't think she believes in. I agree that erratic is probably just a personality thing from the interactions we've had.

[Zaiden]

@cheetory7, you can't have it both ways. Being an asshole to others and trying to make them crumble then pretending it's too much to take and pretending to be a victim here. Some people actually fight back when you try to invalidate their efforts and break down their self esteem. Don't think for a second I'm an easy target to pick on.

[Zaiden]

@Gypyx, what are the specific questions you are talking about? I looked through your list of posts and don't see any questions directed at me there. Since you;re not being a dick I'm happy to talk about my thoughts with you and answer them to the best of my abilities.

[midwaybear]

what are the specific questions you are talking about?

Take a look at page 26. There are some things directed at you there.

[Cheetory6]

I can replace out if people think I'm actually being an asshole.

[staypositivefriend]

I can replace out if people think I'm actually being an asshole.

i wouldn't worry about it, i think you're doing fine

[Cheetory6]

@cheetory7, you can't have it both ways. Being an asshole to others and trying to make them crumble then pretending it's too much to take and pretending to be a victim here. Some people actually fight back when you try to invalidate their efforts and break down their self esteem. Don't think for a second I'm an easy target to pick on.

If you're mafia and this is all just theater to try to detract momentum from your wagon then you are such a fucking fragile person.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Noraa has played exactly one game with me. One game in which shellyc was both town and scum and I got shot due to a mod error on N2. Noraa herself says she doesn't know shit about Dann. And yet... I'm a strong scumread on the basis of BoP.

What game was this?

VOTE: Jake
I think Gamma is town, and I do think Jake's fixation around Gamma is scummy (I think this is what Zaiden sees?).

@Jingle I think Noraa's town play is extremely erratic and can appear pretty scummy. I have no clue if her scum game is similar to this, but these sort of wild reads are generally what I would expect.

Fixation, as in Gamma has been the main topic I've talked about?

[midwaybear]

would you mind selling me on gamma being town? is it just because you feel that they are playing in such a lazy/passive way that you feel would be counter-intuitive for scum to do?

Yeah, pretty much. I think he would be more engaged with this game as scum, and it makes sense that his team hasn't been able to help him out that much. I did find his motivation to vote Zaiden a bit question, and I still don't understand what 788 is supposed to mean lol. Sort of a gut read at this point though, so I don't know if I can really sell you on it.

It's not that she's being erratic, it's that she's taking stances I don't think she believes in. I agree that erratic is probably just a personality thing from the interactions we've had.

Ok, I can sort of see this. You brought this up, but, yeah, her interaction with me about the read on her was a bit ridiculous. I think her motivations for voting you might be a bit shaky, but it is somewhat understandable if she views PrivateI as a LHF and wanted to root out the bad votes. You did say that she wasn't advocating you strongly to be scum, but I think she actually might start to push in your direction soon .

[staypositivefriend]

i'll choose my words carefully here because i don't wanna come across as angle-shooty, but i feel like cheetory!scum probably would not be taking zaiden's words to him so personally. the amount of frustration that he's showing toward zaiden is probably coming from the perspective of a town who feels genuinely hurt by the way that zaiden characterized him

and fwiw, i havent taken a deep dive into the suspicions toward zaiden yet, but i do think his frustration is authentic. it's clear from reading through his ISO that there has been a level of frustration and resentment bubbling beneath the surface as the game has gone on, and the stuff he posted on the last page felt like he was "letting it all out" in a way. it's worth questioning if this emotion is town indicative, but i ~do~ think the emotion is authentic

[midwaybear]

Fixation, as in Gamma has been the main topic I've talked about?

Pretty much. I find that fixating on one person can be a scum strat. It's also a little worrying to me how your content has dropped off since the beginning of the game.
I didn't like your vote on Gamma last night in particular. Him being pedantic might be scummy, but him being so blatantly pedantic isn't really scummy.

[midwaybear]

What game was this?

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=84671

[midwaybear]

I can replace out if people think I'm actually being an asshole.

i wouldn't worry about it, i think you're doing fine

Yeah, agreed.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Fixation, as in Gamma has been the main topic I've talked about?

Pretty much. I find that fixating on one person can be a scum strat. It's also a little worrying to me how your content has dropped off since the beginning of the game.
I didn't like your vote on Gamma last night in particular. Him being pedantic might be scummy, but him being so blatantly pedantic isn't really scummy.

He wasn't just being pedantic, he dodged the question entirely. It wasn't until I rephrased the question that they answered.

It's not "fixation", I was asking Gamma a question and god damn if I didn't get an answer.

[staypositivefriend]

would you mind selling me on gamma being town? is it just because you feel that they are playing in such a lazy/passive way that you feel would be counter-intuitive for scum to do?

Yeah, pretty much. I think he would be more engaged with this game as scum, and it makes sense that his team hasn't been able to help him out that much. I did find his motivation to vote Zaiden a bit question, and I still don't understand what 788 is supposed to mean lol. Sort of a gut read at this point though, so I don't know if I can really sell you on it.

alright thanks, i think his posts are

fine

so far even if they lack a certain level of substance that i've been expecting to see from gamma

[Jake The Wolfie]

What game was this?

viewtopic.php?f=51&t=84671

Now call me crazy, but Shellyc wasn't a Jake or Serial Surgeon.

[midwaybear]

He wasn't just being pedantic, he dodged the question entirely. It wasn't until I rephrased the question that they answered.

It's not "fixation", I was asking Gamma a question and god damn if I didn't get an answer.

I mean yeah he was trolling you, but I still don't think that is scummy. Also, I don't think you rephrasing the question is why Gamma chose to answer, I think it was because he decided to start taking the game a bit more seriously (although his answer was weird).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you really haven't done much to move the game forward recently besides asking Gamma the same question. I get that you want an answer from him, but it would be nice if you did other things as well.

[midwaybear]

Now call me crazy, but Shellyc wasn't a Jake or Serial Surgeon.

shellyc was town, and her alt (Professor Mafia) was scum.