BooneyToonz XV: Dance of the Dark Fairy [Third Moonlight]

[MathBlade]

viewtopic.php?f=83&t=85470 << This was an alt game where I was town. Mom was scum with a user who I don’t believe is present this game. Koba was also in it, I can’t quite remember if anyone else was as a majority of my time to be frank was more focused on stopping TVT blow ups than anything else.

[MathBlade]

viewtopic.php?f=23&t=85295 << This is a game I replaced into as mason with mom (hence our momma and papa talk back and forth. We are both older users to the site and it sorta stuck and I like it). Ended up doing what I thought was mechanically right given the situation but scum ran a fake claim gambit early and snuck right by. Very well played by scum.

[MathBlade]

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=84589 << This is a scum game where we played well but mechanics screwed us. We were one miselim away from winning it when the 3P had a forced suicide mechanic that we weren’t informed about and couldn’t block or stop. It was a secret King’s Commander variant of mafia so if you look at flips only it will look like we got demolished.

[DkKoba]

hey math why are u flooding the thread instead of putting it all into 1 drafted post?

[MathBlade]

Because it’s midnight and I am getting ready for bed and I am doing this on my phone to avoid having to wait 24 hours before I provide any content.

viewtopic.php?f=56&t=76709 << This is a game we almost won until someone did something that was kinda ban worthy that I kinda don’t want to get into but trigger warning should be around the 3/4ths mark I think for talks of suicide.

[MathBlade]

I also am aware that seems to be a super old game, I took a yearish long hiatus from mafia due to personal reasons.

[Nylaathria]

Sure, without quotes though it's kind of a pain on mobile.

I only have experience with his town game but fits with how he's approaching this game minus how he handled his hood but that just might be because I'd take a different approach personally in their shoes I don't know.

His tendency to get hung up on minor details and harp on them is abrasive but not really scum. His spat with Sam literally boils down to disagreements on optimal play but does nothing to push that Sam is scum ultimately. Likewise with his head bumping with Angel.

But the big thing is the lack of a large agenda in lieu of a personal one. Like his pushes on Sam and Angel don't help his standing as the leading wagon on rep in and beyond. Plus he was not concerned with building a wagon to take heat off himself. My wagon wasn't gaining steam and Angel had 0 traction behind it.

Could he take that line as scum? Maybe sure. But there wasn't any help to build a counter wagon if he has active partners until (I don't really want to throw out a wrong name but to the best of my memory) (?)Cakes got a flash wagon started. Another wagon math had no interest in pushing forward.

Several problems with this.

1 - The spat with Samantha where he gets hung up over technical details, but does nothing to solve or push Samantha as scum for it is not a good thing. He's involving himself in an unproductive conversation that's easier for scum to make, and not one that's useful for ascertaining either his or Samantha's alignment.

2 - Math isn't stupid. He knows he isn't going to come in as leading wagon and be able to get by with coasting or safe takes. In order to improve his position, he needs to do something that'll be perceived as townie. Taking anti-concensus takes while in a precarious position is one way of doing that.
What's important is the underlying reasoning behind those takes and whether it's legitimate.

3 - As scum, it's unlikely his end goal is to simply build a direct counterwagon to get by. Assuming that person flips scum, he's in the exact same situation the nest day. He needs to remove the suspicion from him altogether, and that means doing townie things and trying to get townread. And if that means pushing a wagon that isn't a counter which gets no traction to appear non-survilastic? Sure as hell he's gonna do that.

I don't think any of these are good reasons to call him town.

[MathBlade]

With that good night. Will catch up on other stuff later. Around 18 hours from now more or less.

V/LA still in effect

[Nylaathria]

and ur still avoiding my questions on sam so thanks for spewing them as scum for me

I DONT, CARE, ABOUT SAM TODAY

Only 25 seconds between these posts. Scum or town, the anger is real here.

Question being whether it's alignment-indicative, and I'd say it leans town. Scum-RCE is being scumhunted for not having a proper read on Samantha, and is less likely to be mad about it. Whoel Town-RCE simply cannot comprehend that DkKoba does not understand that he just DOES NOT CARE about Samantha today.
I suppose Scum-RCE could think the same if be believes he's in the right regardless of alignment, and isn't being unreasonable, but I feel adopting that mindset that you're technically correct despite having a red PM is harder to adopt.

[DkKoba]

ok but his reads are literally stagnant despite new evidence like ??

i get like a few reads being the same. but the same reads for 1000 posts/?
like cmon

[Angel Warriors]

RCENIGMA

are you trying to CC the mason claim with Sam?

[samantha97]

RCENIGMA

are you trying to CC the mason claim with Sam?

I think your posts bother me the most

your reads are the most inexplicable (you were actually what I was ranting about in pt last night, not dkkoba)

I mean look at this viewtopic.php?p=12523655#p12523655

it looks like you used some kind of randomizer to come up with that

you have the person with the most elaborate roleclaim (hello I'd like to remind everyone it's ~-day 1-~) as your most likely to be mafia, while saying you don't believe mafia got fakeclaims, and that's only the tip of the iceberg with what is wrong with that list

the pts have poisoned everyone's brains in this game, people should really stop using them until there is a reason to

[samantha97]

also VOTE: special brovert opts

he said enough platitudes to remove the chance of being lynched and bounced

[Lunar Martian]

@DkKoba
How in the world is Samantha not a Townlock?
Why is BROvert exluded from PoE?

[Boonskiies]

Vote Count 1.10

RCEnigma [3]:

Sequence, Lunar Martian, Dkkoba

Special BROvert Ops [3]:

Titus, Mathblade, Samantha97

Flea the Magician [2]:

Unwnd, RCEnigma,

Samantha97 [2]:

Angel Warriors, Special BROvert Ops

Mathblade [2]:

Nylaathria, Rei and Asuka,

Nylaathria [1]:

Toogeloo

Sequence [1]:

SirCakez,

SirCakez [1]:

Flea the Magician,

Not Voting [1]:

Murdercat

With

16

alive, it takes

9

to fade.

The

First Moonlight

sets in

(expired on 2021-01-28 12:00:00)

on

January 28th

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Mod Notes:

Gamma Emerald of Special BROvert Ops is VLA until 1/25.

[MURDERCAT]

VOTE: RCE

Haven't read

[RCEnigma]

RCENIGMA

are you trying to CC the mason claim with Sam?

It wouldn't be a direct cc but with my role I'd say it's unlikely to exist with 3 masons as well. Highly highly unlikely. And if they do coexist then scum has some insane power.

[MURDERCAT]

They are trolling with the mason claim

[RCEnigma]

1 - The spat with Samantha where he gets hung up over technical details, but does nothing to solve or push Samantha as scum for it is not a good thing. He's involving himself in an unproductive conversation that's easier for scum to make, and not one that's useful for ascertaining either his or Samantha's alignment.

2 - Math isn't stupid. He knows he isn't going to come in as leading wagon and be able to get by with coasting or safe takes. In order to improve his position, he needs to do something that'll be perceived as townie. Taking anti-concensus takes while in a precarious position is one way of doing that.
What's important is the underlying reasoning behind those takes and whether it's legitimate.

3 - As scum, it's unlikely his end goal is to simply build a direct counterwagon to get by. Assuming that person flips scum, he's in the exact same situation the nest day. He needs to remove the suspicion from him altogether, and that means doing townie things and trying to get townread. And if that means pushing a wagon that isn't a counter which gets no traction to appear non-survilastic? Sure as hell he's gonna do that.

I don't think any of these are good reasons to call him town.

1. Sure, but I can give credit for Math continuing to prod outside of his issues with Sam. Also would you agree that pushing against consensus and pushing a non survivalist "seeming" agenda conflict?

2. I mean.... Fair but no one else can say for certain Math only pushed angel solo so that his own wagon doesn't build up. This point could apply to anyone here.

3. It doesn't. Scum escaping an elim early grants more opportunities for a.) Their role to take effect 2.) The wifom from the night kill #) paranoia to take hold in town etc. Etc. Scum don't ditch partners unless they are dead in the water. They especially don't ditch strong day players unless the rest of the team is weak in standing or passive themselves.

I probably wouldn't be arguing any of this if Norwee was still in the game. I thought he was dancing around relevant events way too much but at the same time I've seen super lynchbait town!Norwee play similarly.

[RCEnigma]

They are trolling with the mason claim

I'm aware but it's been taken serious by more than one slot, that's dangerous.

[Ircher]

I think she flips group scum and the "hurr durr not groupscum" argument is hella bunk.

Why do you think she flips group!scum? Have you reconciled it with the fact her claim has next to no chance of cing from mafia? Besides, her play here is different from Booneytoonz XIV, so I can't see why you think this is definitively scum!samantha.

ydrasse pull ur head out of ur ass and vote samantha

Yeah, okay, why are you so fixated on samantha?

on my homesite

Well, newsflash for you: this isn't your homesite. The standards are different. What might be a grievous sin there is acceptable here and vice-versa.

she did bc it absolutely is unacceptable and clearly anti town

Just because something is anti-town doesn't mean it necessarily comes from scum.

but u didnt even respond with "but heres why fae is scum" ur just like discrediting that part of my argument like its some sort of gotcha

And you haven't explained why scum!samantha would claim the role she did despite the fact it dooms her to the fade within 3 day phases max.

I forgot why playing on MS felt so awful

(There's a lot of pleasant people here. There's also quite a few people who get aggressive/angry when things don't go their way. I don't think it's limited to the site but moreso to mafia in general. Maybe the standards are somewhat laxer here.)

[Ircher]

~Ircher

[Sequence]

I think she flips group scum and the "hurr durr not groupscum" argument is hella bunk.

Why do you think she flips group!scum? Have you reconciled it with the fact her claim has next to no chance of cing from mafia? Besides, her play here is different from Booneytoonz XIV, so I can't see why you think this is definitively scum!samantha.

ydrasse pull ur head out of ur ass and vote samantha

Yeah, okay, why are you so fixated on samantha?

on my homesite

Well, newsflash for you: this isn't your homesite. The standards are different. What might be a grievous sin there is acceptable here and vice-versa.

she did bc it absolutely is unacceptable and clearly anti town

Just because something is anti-town doesn't mean it necessarily comes from scum.

but u didnt even respond with "but heres why fae is scum" ur just like discrediting that part of my argument like its some sort of gotcha

And you haven't explained why scum!samantha would claim the role she did despite the fact it dooms her to the fade within 3 day phases max.

I forgot why playing on MS felt so awful

(There's a lot of pleasant people here. There's also quite a few people who get aggressive/angry when things don't go their way. I don't think it's limited to the site but moreso to mafia in general. Maybe the standards are somewhat laxer here.)

~Ircher

Zzz....

At bottom of 3021.
~Ircher

[MURDERCAT]

Murdercat dropped off a bit for me which is unfortunate but be more town I guess

Finding it hard to care about this game to be honest, maybe I'll take a break. I'd rather go to night though and then I'll have something to think about during my break.

[MURDERCAT]

my townreads are being fcuking passive as shit/voting stupidly while the ppl in my PoE are running the show im absolutely fucking pissed at this gamestate and i need ppl to massively unfuck how they're approaching this game and realize that behavior that directly hurts town intentionally is behavior that typically comes from scum i dont give a fuck how you feel about hurr durr groupscum or whatever.

flea literally fucking softed a PR and now rceenignma KNOWS this bc they are in our PT and now they are voting fae like literally idgaf this dude is so terrible at the game or theyre scum and i hate saying that shit but its true

vote RCE