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Post Post #1250 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:21 am

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Maybe it's my own impatience but I've mulling over my vote on AGar and came to my own conclusion he isn't going to respond. The game has changed and so too is the way I read most players. Back in the day I'd come through their words to spot contradictions but I find scum nowadays don't really give a shit about making convincing arguments, no, it's more about the presentation. Something that makes townies go 'well, by effort and substantiation he must be town!' because people have gotten so traumatized by a red PM these days and believe scum just won't effort as much as town that it's almost bordering ridiculous. I am against this mindset because it assumes that people enjoy losing, which I'm pretty sure if you're playing any game the objective is to win.

This vote is something almost all of my team agree on. I don't really bode well with (post) (post) (post) analysis and instead giving a general description of what I see. As for what I see? I sorta let it slide but there was a moment where Hopkirk responded to me saying 'i kinda like to work list up and then down first, getting townreads'. This is fine in practice, yet he remained quite passive-aggressive. I also think that line alone is disingenuous but is playing a part of his style right now, which all seems quite excessive to me. I think Hopkirk in that instance only responded that way because it sounded good, not that he really believed it. If his MO was to look for townies and form townblocks, then what is his explanation of splintered ridicule throughout the ISO. The shift in dynamic doesn't bode with his own words. Go look at the way he silver tongues Hercule then ridicules others. This is not paraphrasing but this man really said 'don't like it when there's consequence for your actions, huh?' It's all based on
proving a point
which is both petty and scummy.

It'd be really easy and really lazy to say 'he is being LAMISTy' but seriously that's boring and using umbrella terms like that caution back to the days where people would do things like Why me = Fry me. Mafia Jargon doesn't make someone scum guys, and I actually think scum are more prone to be lazy about their reads because it's pretty difficult to try and convince people.
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Post Post #1251 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:31 am

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In post 1250, unwnd wrote:Maybe it's my own impatience but I've mulling over my vote on AGar and came to my own conclusion he isn't going to respond. The game has changed and so too is the way I read most players. Back in the day I'd come through their words to spot contradictions but I find scum nowadays don't really give a shit about making convincing arguments, no, it's more about the presentation. Something that makes townies go 'well, by effort and substantiation he must be town!' because people have gotten so traumatized by a red PM these days and believe scum just won't effort as much as town that it's almost bordering ridiculous. I am against this mindset because it assumes that people enjoy losing, which I'm pretty sure if you're playing any game the objective is to win.

This vote is something almost all of my team agree on. I don't really bode well with (post) (post) (post) analysis and instead giving a general description of what I see. As for what I see? I sorta let it slide but there was a moment where Hopkirk responded to me saying '
i kinda like to work list up and then down first, getting townreads
'. This is fine in practice, yet he remained quite passive-aggressive. I also think that line alone is disingenuous but is playing a part of his style right now, which all seems quite excessive to me. I think Hopkirk in that instance only responded that way because it sounded good, not that he really believed it. If his MO was to look for townies and form townblocks, then what is his explanation of splintered ridicule throughout the ISO. The shift in dynamic doesn't bode with his own words. Go look at the way he silver tongues Hercule then ridicules others. This is not paraphrasing but this man really said 'don't like it when there's consequence for your actions, huh?' It's all based on
proving a point
which is both petty and scummy.

It'd be really easy and really lazy to say 'he is being LAMISTy' but seriously that's boring and using umbrella terms like that caution back to the days where people would do things like Why me = Fry me. Mafia Jargon doesn't make someone scum guys, and I actually think scum are more prone to be lazy about their reads because it's pretty difficult to try and convince people.
what does the bolded part mean? that's not a quote and it makes 0 sense
wtf? passive agressive? i'm actively aggressive to anyone bad enough to call me scum. how exactly are you calling me passive aggressive then going on to reference my active aggression
your whole team?
does that include Menalaque?
this is an important question. going to want to hear exactly what each of them are thinking rather some coward-ass hiding behind your 'team' bullshit
the ridicule i deliver is highly deserved, designed to reveal the pathetic who would cower behind their mediocrity.
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Post Post #1252 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:33 am

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lol hopkirk hopped in there real quick
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Post Post #1253 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:33 am

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'this means the quote is paraphrased'

"this means the quote is pretty much actual"
this is literally the quote
Alright so what does that ridicule mean for you and why are you not acting upon your own words?
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Post Post #1254 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:34 am

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In post 1252, innocentvillager wrote:lol hopkirk hopped in there real quick
what exactly are you implying?

it's 6.30 in the UK and i finished doing some visible other stuff. when do you expect someone with a job to start posting, lunchtime?
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Post Post #1255 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:35 am

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In post 1253, unwnd wrote:'this means the quote is paraphrased'

"this means the quote is pretty much actual"
this is literally the quote
Alright so what does that ridicule mean for you and why are you not acting upon your own words?
quote the post because i can't find that anywhere in my iso

what words am i not acting on? just because i think someone is small-brain it doesn't make them scum.

answer the fucking question about menalque right now
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Post Post #1256 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:36 am

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i have twenty minutes. if you don't engage with me now then it's not happening until friday because i do have a job and hobbies.
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Post Post #1257 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:38 am

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Why do I need to answer it? This setup isn't kingmaker yet you've approached the game as if it's your right to judge the peasants.
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Post Post #1258 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:38 am

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In post 1249, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 1247, OkaPoka wrote:well im agreeing with hopkirk in that i dont see an AI motivation for her dumping confident fake reads, DGB says it was rvs nonsense so okay i guess.

dgb is not really caseworking in the sense that there is some explanation with quotes and responses / analysis to certain posts. in my limited experience with dgb, there a little bit of that
ok thanks so DGB is pretty null to you/potentially +scum from the lack of read explanation so far?
I guess but its less true null and more uncategorized
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Post Post #1259 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:38 am

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it doesn't take this long to answer the question you ignored first time round. don't come back with any shit about 'i didn't see it' because you read the post i bolded the question in and chose not to respond to it
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Post Post #1260 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:39 am

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Post Post #1261 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:39 am

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why does this 1v1 feel oddly personal have you guys played with each other before
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Post Post #1262 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:39 am

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are you fucking serious?
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Post Post #1263 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:40 am

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In post 1261, OkaPoka wrote:why does this 1v1 feel oddly personal have you guys played with each other before
nope, never met the guy before. townread him before this. probably still do. my vote is on him.
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Post Post #1264 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:40 am

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In post 1254, Hopkirk wrote:
In post 1252, innocentvillager wrote:lol hopkirk hopped in there real quick
what exactly are you implying?

it's 6.30 in the UK and i finished doing some visible other stuff. when do you expect someone with a job to start posting, lunchtime?
nothing really, the timing was just coincidentally right when he made his case so it looked funny, that's all, probably NAI
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Post Post #1265 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:42 am

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In post 1264, innocentvillager wrote:
In post 1254, Hopkirk wrote:
In post 1252, innocentvillager wrote:lol hopkirk hopped in there real quick
what exactly are you implying?

it's 6.30 in the UK and i finished doing some visible other stuff. when do you expect someone with a job to start posting, lunchtime?
nothing really, the timing was just coincidentally right when he made his case so it looked funny, that's all, probably NAI
you mean twenty minutes after it during the time that accountant!hopkirk is going to be on the forum between finishing work, eating dinner, and the thing that i do every tuesday at 7? how exactly is that noteworthy. i don't like shade.
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Post Post #1266 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:43 am

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IV and Oka how the fuck are you ok with that bad faith bullshit

anyone who says 'I don't need to answer the question' when the question is 'does one of your teammates scumread me' after someone says 'all my teammates scumread you' isn't playing in remotely good faith and i'm not taking a second of that kind of shit
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Post Post #1267 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:45 am

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ill allow it

witness unwnd answer the question about menalque
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Post Post #1268 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:47 am

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he's very clearly avoiding the thread and intending to come back at the time i said i had to leave
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Post Post #1269 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:47 am

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plus there's some incredibly shady shit going on with his team right now
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Post Post #1270 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:48 am

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I feel like you're just trying to convince yourself to scumread me at this point and taking the idea of aggression as personality flaw instead of lack of consistency in your own approach.
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Post Post #1271 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:48 am

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ask your teammates because i can't clarify on that last point and see how they feel about that 'all of my team think you're scum' post he just made

His team (Menalaque, Beeboy, MariaR)
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Post Post #1272 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:49 am

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what did menalaqe say. last time i'm asking this
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Post Post #1273 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:49 am

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IV going up is about the sum of my read changes in the catch up i've done btw
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Post Post #1274 (ISO) » Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:50 am

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i know Menal doesn't scumread me here. why are you pretending he does?
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