TM 2021 - Black Flag Nightless

[Flopz]

@flopz @lili @auro can i interest any of u three in a delicious autumn wagon?

Hmmmm, I’m feeling like atm it’s either a Chenn+AL scum-team or Men (+maybeee Super but I don’t want to vote there) is scum.

I was casing Auro but after all this stuff is happening I started looking more at Chenn and Infinity.

Aside from Chenn being a massive liar about his hyperposting, the only hyper part is the amount of times Chenn has called his posting hyperposting lmao. The whole Chenn V Fire thing was just so meh. Like Chenn didn’t do anything with that and it was a pretty -.- affair. Like Chenn's been talking a lot about how if he was scum his hyperposting would be off the chain and how he would take over the thread. I don’t know why they wouldn’t just do that as Town then and try to push in a Townie direction if they believe they can so easily take over the thread.

I feel that Chenn + Infinity just seem too together this game, especially looking back through the game. With both agreeing together quite often and from both sides.

Tho for Infinity, I do like how they were fair to me after my push against them and didn’t hold it to me after. They also felt a lot better after their first day. Now, their Super push out of nowhere is either really scummy or so out of left field it goes all the way back to town and I haven't finished deliberating over this. So I think rn I would put my vote on either Chenn or Men

[Flopz]

Gonna finish off my Auro case and then I'll go to Men I guess

[chennisden]

It's mostly based on the way you guys were interacting with Koba for the second part.

Hmm?

I would not go as far as to pin down my read on you two as "scum," but the way you two interacted with Koba is reason for me to take another look at your slots. Particularly when your predecessor wasn't the towniest of town, and there were a lot of weird interactions around that slot

Okay, but I guess I’m not seeing what’s scummy about our interactions with koba

Like it’s very frustrating being tunnelled by someone you (1) know is wrong (2) has been wrong in the past but won’t admit that (3) you strongly suspect is reading you based on personal issues rather than what you’ve done in game

And like it sounds like at least 2 and maybe all 3 of those things would also be true in super’s case if she’s town which so I get why she’s frustrated here

Wait, I want to make clear that I haven't actually drawn any conclusions, and I'm not even sure this uneasiness equates to my feeling it's scummy

I actually form much weaker conclusions than most other people at this stage of the game (see my last post I guess) so basically anything I share is mostly me feeling around. And while I might currently feel like I think these interactions are scummy, I think the only confident conclusion I've drawn is that a) I think there's scum in Super, Auro, Menalque (which is a very weak take because 1 - 7/10*6/9*5/8 is a pretty stinking big number), and b) that finding the scum in said list is more feasible and more important than focusing outside it.

[Menalque]

Lili how would you feel about voting for infinity?

Stance on infinity: probscum, I don’t like his posts, but consolidation on infinity feels way too easy

There’s only one way to find out if it is too easy though *waggles eyebrows*

[chennisden]

@flopz @lili @auro can i interest any of u three in a delicious autumn wagon?

Hmmmm, I’m feeling like atm it’s either a Chenn+AL scum-team or Men (+maybeee Super but I don’t want to vote there) is scum.

I was casing Auro but after all this stuff is happening I started looking more at Chenn and Infinity.

Aside from Chenn being a massive liar about his hyperposting, the only hyper part is the amount of times Chenn has called his posting hyperposting lmao. The whole Chenn V Fire thing was just so meh. Like Chenn didn’t do anything with that and it was a pretty -.- affair. Like Chenn's been talking a lot about how if he was scum his hyperposting would be off the chain and how he would take over the thread. I don’t know why they wouldn’t just do that as Town then and try to push in a Townie direction if they believe they can so easily take over the thread.

I feel that Chenn + Infinity just seem too together this game, especially looking back through the game. With both agreeing together quite often and from both sides.

Tho for Infinity, I do like how they were fair to me after my push against them and didn’t hold it to me after. They also felt a lot better after their first day. Now, their Super push out of nowhere is either really scummy or so out of left field it goes all the way back to town and I haven't finished deliberating over this. So I think rn I would put my vote on either Chenn or Men

I dont need to be top poster to take control of thread

I also dont spam the game because a) online school is freaking CRAMMING hw down my throat and b) yall were NOT JOKING when you said this playerlist was the spammiest, and I don't particularly want to add to that without also adding value to the game

[lilith2013]

Why is Auro a keystone slot to you?

[Menalque]

Chenn have u like, ever talked about this keystone slot theory stuff before or have u err ever actually done this before in a game?

[chennisden]

Also the reason I don't do that as town is because I'm pretty terrible at the game and I don't want to get flamed for throwing if I lead town in a bad direction lmao

[chennisden]

Chenn have u like, ever talked about this keystone slot theory stuff before or have u err ever actually done this before in a game?

I dunno, it's been a while

[Menalque]

the ones that are most feasible to solve and end up having a large impact on the game if sorted correctly. Then I actually try to sort some non-empty subset of these slots, and when I do make progress I can look at the game from another perspective,

Chennis this feels a lot like it doesn’t really mean anything

Can u explain like I am smol scumhunting child pls

[chennisden]

Why is Auro a keystone slot to you?

Mostly because (weighted) graph theory: Auro has a large number of decently strong connections to other slots, including the "obviously important ones", so sorting him will shed a lot of light on other slots. I also think he has a good amount of connections/interactions with harder to sort slots as well, something I think is mostly unique to him; I don't think this is true for Super and I think it's not so true for Menalque. (I'm not about to go and hyperanalyze the epsilon posts his predecessor made because I just think conf-bias would be too strong there - but I do acknowledge the early wagon on Amp probably could give a good amount of info)

[Menalque]

I think what may be happening here is that súper and I are correctly hard townreading each other and scum feel a need to undermine that

Full disclosure, I didn’t think of this myself but maria pointed out that that’s exactly what happened when she and I correctly TR each other in wolfdance redux

[Menalque]

Why is koba /not/ a keystone slot to you?

[chennisden]

the ones that are most feasible to solve and end up having a large impact on the game if sorted correctly. Then I actually try to sort some non-empty subset of these slots, and when I do make progress I can look at the game from another perspective,

Chennis this feels a lot like it doesn’t really mean anything

Can u explain like I am smol scumhunting child pls

I spend early game looking for who I really need to care about, then I care about them really hard, sort their alignments, and then use that to look at slots I did not care so much about before. Then I get a working theory in my head.

And hopefully I dont die, lose, or get nightkilled because scum is trolling along the way

[chennisden]

Why is koba /not/ a keystone slot to you?

Even though Koba slot is important, I dont actually feel like I can get a lot of leeway or make progress on said slot atm

[lilith2013]

mena do you think koba is town

[Menalque]

Whereas you think you can on me/super? What’s the difference here?

[Menalque]

mena do you think koba is town

Yes

[chennisden]

Actually now that I think about it I play scum with a similar mindset, only that I try to kill said slots, make it hard to read them, or make it hard to figure out who said slots are in the first place

[Menalque]

Lili how about voting infinity in the meantime while there’s not a lot else going on

[Super]

just in my car about to drive but realised autumn has a player on their team that knows me

autumn what's ydrasse's read on me?

[chennisden]

Whereas you think you can on me/super? What’s the difference here?

I feel like there's more places where I could dig into your ISOs/interactions. Not that I'm claiming the same isn't true for the other slots, but that I think a) I get more out of it, and crucially, b) I'm a lot closer to identifying what said things I need to dig into are

[Menalque]

I don’t know why they wouldn’t just do that as Town then and try to push in a Townie direction if they believe they can so easily take over the thread.

What do you make of his explanation of why he’s playing the way he is over the last like 2 pages?

[chennisden]

Lili how about voting infinity in the meantime while there’s not a lot else going on

I have to say I'm curious, why do people try to get other people to vote their wagon when said other person clearly is undecided/uninterested

Doesnt it seem counterproductive

[chennisden]

Also wanted to bring this up: I think I am posting a lot, it's just that I'm a hyperposter in a sea of hyperposters