TENET - Algorithm Assembled

[Gypyx]

hi inverted peoples

that's a talking thread or just votes?

[Gypyx]

yeah this is exelo btw, let's be careful

[Gypyx]

any strong TRs mena?

pedit : yea

[Gypyx]

LLD botched a fakeclaim in purple room last night.

She faked a gunsmith guilty that the hood picked up on, on peta.

Literally just kill LLD today.

uh, you mean 2 nights ago?

[Gypyx]

any strong TRs mena?

pedit : yea

I think fb might be town

why that

[Gypyx]

Not sure I’ve ever seen fb make 900 posts before as scum

and this is out of his range?

[Gypyx]

i am also not caught up on inverted at all, anyone could give a quick summary of the events?

[Gypyx]

Elimination Votecount 4.0/4.20

Almost50 (0) - Spiffeh, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Firebringer, LadyLambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Almost50

Spiffeh (0) - Spiffeh, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Firebringer, LadyLambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Almost50

PookyTheMagicalBear (0) - Spiffeh, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Firebringer, LadyLambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Almost50

LadyLambdadelta (0) - Spiffeh, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Firebringer, LadyLambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Almost50

Firebringer (0) - Spiffeh, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Firebringer, LadyLambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Almost50

midwaybear (0) - Spiffeh, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Firebringer, LadyLambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Almost50

Dandelion Wine (0) - Spiffeh, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Firebringer, LadyLambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Almost50

Menalque (0) - Spiffeh, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Firebringer, LadyLambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Almost50

Annie Edison (0) - Spiffeh, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Firebringer, LadyLambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Almost50

Gypyx (0) - Spiffeh, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Firebringer, LadyLambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Almost50

Brian Skies (0) - Spiffeh, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Firebringer, LadyLambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Almost50

Dunnstral (0) - Spiffeh, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Firebringer, LadyLambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Almost50

superbowl9 (0) - Spiffeh, Dandelion Wine, midwaybear, Firebringer, LadyLambdadelta, PookyTheMagicalBear, Almost50

Not Voting (6) -

Menalque

,

Annie Edison

,

Gypyx

,

Brian Skies

,

Dunnstral

,

superbowl9

(expired on 2021-01-27 10:59:00) remain until day end

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to reach a majority.

also wtf is that vc

[Gypyx]

Not sure I’ve ever seen fb make 900 posts before as scum

and this is out of his range?

I mean ideally I need to also see what he’s actually been posting because if it’s just the bee movie script then admittedly he falls a bit

wdym posting the bee movie script is the equivalent of being IC

[Gypyx]

can we stop being distracted and get back to killing cabd/dunn

why are they scum (especially dunn, interested in that part) and besides, how are they even a priority compared to LLD who apparently had a fake result?

pedit: uh, Dunn was in control? breaking news

[Gypyx]

Who do you think was in control gypx?

didn't feel like anyone was really in control? yeah if i had to name someone it would probably be dunn / brian, but i don't think there was much control on fowards

[Gypyx]

let's wait to see what LLD has to say first

[Gypyx]

Who do you think was in control gypx?

didn't feel like anyone was really in control? yeah if i had to name someone it would probably be dunn / brian, but i don't think there was much control on fowards

Was this the case the whole game or did it shift at some point?

Ugh you people are gonna try to make me read back aren’t you

imperium (IC) had some good control day 1, but from what i recall, the thread kinda fell into anarchy afterwards

[Gypyx]

any reason you give a big worth to skitters dying thought mena? is it meta?

[Gypyx]

mwb because we should massclaim and we literally auto lose if one town player leaves their vote on another town player

we have already massclaimed sir

[Gypyx]

any reason you give a big worth to skitters dying thought mena? is it meta?

Listen, if skitter is confirmed town (check) and has been playing hard (check) then /not/ giving HEAVY weight to what she’s saying *especially* when she’s been pushed through as a miselim is just really dumb and leads to losing games more than it leads to winning them

Hence why we do either dunn or lld today, and why A50 is off limits

that's fair alright, although i find that kinda excessive

[Gypyx]

Gypyx u scum bud?

nope

[Gypyx]

'ight i'll do that

[Gypyx]

we had a double exe day 2 in fowards

[Gypyx]

really hate that cabd wagon tbh

like, maybe cabd is scummy, don't really know, but apparenty, it's nothing damning, and yet everyone seems to jump on it without much thought and no resistance

plus we have LLD who litterally had a claimed guilty flip town and she's just being left alone?

y'all really should unvote cabd before shit goes wrong

pedit : thank you fire, very cool

[Gypyx]

donot listen to bear, he's a meanie red PM

[Gypyx]

Gypyx why does that post sound so sus lol

idk, not in the best mood rn

[Gypyx]

was cabd suspected before today btw?

[Gypyx]

hmmm okay, kinda explains

wagon doesn't feel right though

[Gypyx]

speaking of guilty, y'all heard about LLD?

[Gypyx]

pretty sure she claimed the guilty 2 nights ago, and they kept it hidden until now

[Gypyx]

oh wait uh

i'm dumb

[Gypyx]

could someone explain the gunsmith stuff ples

[Gypyx]

By the way, who enabled the superb-spiffeh swap?

purple room had an extra turnstile

[Gypyx]

i ain't touching cabd

[Gypyx]

not 'till this mess gets sorted anyways

[Gypyx]

purple room had an extra turnstile

from what?

it was just there i think

[Gypyx]

gyp a royalist collaborater

give good reasons to vote and i'll think 'bout it

[Gypyx]

it was just there i think

You think?
hmm

who got activated via turnstiling via the purple room;

yeah i checked and it's correct

[Gypyx]

gyp a royalist collaborater

give good reasons to vote and i'll think 'bout it

because he is a bad guy and i will give you townpoints that you can use to buy coffeee with cmon you r killing me here dude

too bad i prefere tea

[Gypyx]

Doesn't make sense with watcher, tracker, follower. How would it modify the results?

Yes it does. Scum has a results inverter or whatever and setup info. Town is way too stacked for just a strongman

hard disagree on that one, this setup is already scumsided enough with a strongman, like, if there is our effective power is (assuming ALL claims are town)

-a 2 person tracker
-a 2 person follower
- watcher
-motion detector
-Vcop
- IC
- neighborizer
- neighbors lovers

versus 6 scum and 2 nightkills

you call that townsided?

[Gypyx]

can anyone who tr's bowl tell me why?

[Gypyx]

Questions: why was unwnd apparently a big TR in the game? Who was TRing him a lot?

Why did unwnd rep out?

i wasn't tr'ing his a whole lot but his posting felt good, didn't give it a re-read though

[Gypyx]

i actually dont trust anyone in this thread except LLD.

which is funny cause LLD got me to kill one of my biggest townreads.
i don't even know which of u to trust in other timeline but im guessing dunny because of unwnd.

don't trust annie no more, don't trust mena, etc.

i think i am going to have immense impulse control and not vote someone until i figure out whole team.

my idea right now is LLD/pooky + 4 others

why the flip

[Gypyx]

my scum list is prob something like

LLD / bowl / a50

i'd be down with exeing a50 now to temporize and let town stumps say what they have to say on harder to sort stuff

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[Gypyx]

Doesn't make sense with watcher, tracker, follower. How would it modify the results?

Yes it does. Scum has a results inverter or whatever and setup info. Town is way too stacked for just a strongman

hard disagree on that one, this setup is already scumsided enough with a strongman, like, if there is our effective power is (assuming ALL claims are town)

-a 2 person tracker
-a 2 person follower
- watcher
-motion detector
-Vcop
- IC
- neighborizer
- neighbors lovers

versus 6 scum and 2 nightkills

you call that townsided?

Already scumsided enough with a strongman????? That’s meant for the IC with an unbarred protective on the same side, are you joking dude?? And I love how you slip me scum into this list nonchalantly, we have a roleblocker

yeah already scumsided enough, by a lot strongman goes through the protective *anyways*
and roleblocker also gets peirced by strongman

not to mention that like half these roles start deactivated

[Gypyx]

hmmmm... i have a theory

i'll develop on it once something happens

[Gypyx]

And then we still have Gyx's terrible hammer on Skitter yesterday. But all of you are like 'nah, that guy's a statue as scum' even though you're all basing it off of one game (yes, a new player would probably be incredibly stiff in their first scumgame) but even Skitter admitted that he started to become more relaxed once he was a confirmed scumstump.

Like, people are just ignoring that people can't improve and his play has been scummy anyway. AND he hammered Skitter before barely addressing the concerns I sent his way yesterday which I find super sketchy. Like he was trying to end the day without having to actually engage with me.

okay yeah so on meta cuz there's some misrep running around and i don't like that, i have more than just SS3 as a bad game, i'd say all of my scumgames i played badly in some way (being a statue, being dumb, being obvious ect...), apart from Mbos I and a mini normal

also what were those concerns again?

[Gypyx]

why are you so confident on your results when it's confirmed to you that scum can mess with ur results?

[Gypyx]

Doesn't make sense with watcher, tracker, follower. How would it modify the results?

Yes it does. Scum has a results inverter or whatever and setup info. Town is way too stacked for just a strongman

hard disagree on that one, this setup is already scumsided enough with a strongman, like, if there is our effective power is (assuming ALL claims are town)

-a 2 person tracker
-a 2 person follower
- watcher
-motion detector
-Vcop
- IC
- neighborizer
- neighbors lovers

versus 6 scum and 2 nightkills

you call that townsided?

Already scumsided enough with a strongman????? That’s meant for the IC with an unbarred protective on the same side, are you joking dude?? And I love how you slip me scum into this list nonchalantly, we have a roleblocker

yeah already scumsided enough, by a lot strongman goes through the protective *anyways*
and roleblocker also gets peirced by strongman

not to mention that like half these roles start deactivated

It's gonna be a 1-shot or at least gated strongman

point still stands

[Gypyx]

your N1 result being fucked with makes sense but okay

fair point about fb's play

[Gypyx]

I don't understand how Dunn can stand there with a straight face and pretend Brian and Cabd are both town and we are being trolled hard by the scum.

Like wtf r they waiting for at this point then?

idk man, my theory is that scum is trying to coordinate timezones right now, and seeing how thread is getting quiet, i'm kinda afraid that this is the case

pedit : that spampost tho

[Gypyx]

my scum list is prob something like

LLD / bowl / a50

i'd be down with exeing a50 now to temporize and let town stumps say what they have to say on harder to sort stuff

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so a50-bowl is a bus to you?

haven't seen anything that disproves it

[Gypyx]

hard disagree on that one, this setup is already scumsided enough with a strongman, like, if there is our effective power is (assuming ALL claims are town)

-a 2 person tracker
-a 2 person follower
- watcher
-motion detector
-Vcop
- IC
- neighborizer
- neighbors lovers

versus 6 scum and 2 nightkills

you call that townsided?

when did you become a mechanical spec master?

today after my morning cofee

now if you disagree let's fight to the death

[Gypyx]

haven't seen anything that disproves it

so superbowl-scum decides to hard-defend LLD-town/cabd-town in order to vote A50-scum?

in what world does that make any sense?

well, i'm not in the scum PT, but like, i could see the plan being bowl getting to endgame

[Gypyx]

why wouldnt they just take the cabd elim then?

hmmm, good point

idk, i'm seeing either that they're trying to coordinate a 6p quickhammer rn

or just that cabd is also in the team

[Gypyx]

now if you disagree let's fight to the death

let's do it im feeling bored

how's the setup townsided then my guy

our only relevant power is PoE

[Gypyx]

ok so you think superbowl-scum is trying to WK LLD-town to attack A50-scum?

why don't they just kill LLD ftw then?

no i'm saying cabd / bowl / a50 / LLD

or maybe just that they afraid of pushing LLD too much

but idk, this situation is a mess

[Gypyx]

I'm treating the setup as a 6-7 Mountainous game. I don't really care for claims or any bullshit because every piece of setup spec we've done has led to bad things happening.

my question to you is when did you become so good at Mech-Spec.

fair point, but i'm feeling like we're starting to have enough info rn

and idk, where does me being bad at mech comes from?

[Gypyx]

my dream kill is prob bowl, but realistically i'd rather go for a50

[Gypyx]

and idk, where does me being bad at mech comes from?

I didn't say you were bad at mech, it just feels like you are super interested in mech this game and I'm wondering if this is like something you really enjoy doing? Like do you have examples of previous games where you do this much mech-spec as town?

i was quite involved in the mech spec of the trials, and i managed to reach the right mech conclusions in bugspary's micro (go check my wiki for links cuz me lazy)

[Gypyx]

also i'll take examples of you doing mech-spec as scum, that would probably also be helpful :3

kinda did some mech spec in the scum PT of Mini Normal 2146

but apart from that not much no

[Gypyx]

btw how likely are you to join me on my crusade to liberate france from Cabd?

not today

[Gypyx]

hell or high water?

[Gypyx]

my dream kill is prob bowl, but realistically i'd rather go for a50

Vote then

i'd rather be careful

[Gypyx]

well, if brian isn't moving his vote that's fair yeah

thread's being quiet though...

[Gypyx]

Yep I think scum are just flexing their manpower to hop on dandy now

u ever saw scum do that though?

[Gypyx]

hey guys I'm kinda drunk anyone wanna chat

if this were not LYLO with several players already having scum claimed I would 100% be wagoning Annie Edison

discuss

we got plenty of time to discuss the more controversial slots later my guy

[Gypyx]

could any head of DW try to case brian, or link me to an alrezdy existing case ples

[Gypyx]

ah yes, the famous hDlDCYI case

[Gypyx]

i'm null on pooky

[Gypyx]

He's scum, like very obviously so, but voting him or a50 or any other person right now is suboptimal :/

well, problem is that i don't manage to see him as scum so it would be very cool for you to go over that, even briefly

how's it suboptimal though? we litterally have a 1v1

[Gypyx]

Btw mena, could i get a quick tl;dr on your reads that don't come from skitter?

[Gypyx]

Okay so

Lld more or less has to be scum, all the scenarios where she’s not just seem crazy unlikely given the fake guilty/pushes on skitt and peta/claim that her role is the only one with flavour in it while nobody else’s has that

Dunn is likely scum for interactions with skitter as I was reading yesterday before repping in, also skitt was probably in a uniquely good position to know if his reasons were BS or not as he was pushing her

sb +scum for this nonsense around there maybe being an “inverter” that could explain lld

MWB +scum probably for voting with a top SR unless maybe it comes out that he was pushing dandelion even harder than pooky yesterday

Annie +scum for early D7 posts in inverted imo

@gypyx

Right bruh mb

Can't seem to remember shit

[Gypyx]

I guess I can’t discount it’s just a fake claim idk but in the moment I was feeling it

You're still feeling it or not?

[Gypyx]

WOOOOOOO

GG BOIS !

[Gypyx]

if it wasn't for the vanilla cop I don't think we would have won

nah, saboteur absolute MVP

[Gypyx]

also, that's like the second longest game on site right

[Gypyx]

You know I’m pretty sure between all three threads this game may have surpassed Civ mafia for game length
And even if it didn’t the two shorter threads definitely should count for more given you had 2 13p games going on essentially
This should be a lesson that over-long games suck for towns

wasn't civ mafia 700?

[Gypyx]

also, the speed duel between me and bowl to rb each other was dumb

[Gypyx]

True lol, we would've lost if you studied something else i think lol

[Gypyx]

also, the speed duel between me and bowl to rb each other was dumb

Im so mad i got the right target and yet got blocked myself -.-

Eh, should still count as a semi-win in your PoV imo

[Gypyx]

It's the old Glork test. People used to give glork like... one day to find a bunch of scum and have his pick of who should die.

who's that glork person?

[Gypyx]

sad that town kept writing gypyx off because he was more active or something rofl

NS decided that the moment I found GX scum was the perfect time to hammer Titus

that's indeed the perfect moment from my point of view lol

[Gypyx]

It's the old Glork test. People used to give glork like... one day to find a bunch of scum and have his pick of who should die.

who's that glork person?

A regular mafia player, he died of cancer a few years ago I think.
I never had the pleasure of playing with him.

oh, sorry about asking that

thanks for the answer though

[Gypyx]

thing is, there were already so many turnstiles needed for PRs

realistically, massclaim happens before town even considers turstiling scum for benefit or stuff

[Gypyx]

btw i did the math, and this is the second longest game ever on mafiascum (in terms of posts), we were 2011 posts behind beating Civilization mafia for the longest game

[Gypyx]

nope, will do

[Gypyx]

okay so, with the cross-thread hood, the lovers hood, and the purple rooms, we reach 18615 posts, which is 93 less that civ mafia, but as a discord was used for the hood, i think it's safe to assume we can count that number as higher

and even then, scum PT has 165 posts, which bumps the total to 18780

[Gypyx]

(by a discord used for the hood, i mean the lovers hood

[Gypyx]

there's a record page on this wiki, with number of posts, lemme check

[Gypyx]

okay so the record page only counts main thread posts

so mission failed boys

[Gypyx]

wonder if that's because long games mostly have pointless fight that hold the town back


naaaaaah couldn't be

[Gypyx]

(most talking was done in discord if it ain't obvious)

[Gypyx]

Subject: TENET - Bell's Notes

I wish I had a single clue what gyphx was doing.
He's playing horrible as either alignment.[/quote]

rude

am i that bad though?

[Gypyx]

To be clear, I was frustrated that because everyone else thought you were town, I was like, why isn't he solving? Why can't I see why he's town?
I was mostly convinced your town play was good so I was frustrated with your approach. It was very much a hater post.
I apologize for making it.

alright i see, well, apologies accepted don't worry