Mini Normal 2187: PIFiMDM [game over!]

[unwnd]

Joindate doesn't reflect my mafia experience NSG, I was hoping my posts made that evidently clear

[2ndchosen1]

I didn't think it was rude or any such nonsense. I understand it can get heated and that I can get things wrong. I probably look at all the wrong things in an attempt to get something

anything

@unwnd I suppose I do see some of it. I just don't see a solid listing

[unwnd]

What do you mean by solid listing?

[2ndchosen1]

What do you mean by solid listing?

I see some of your game state analysis but it isn't enough for me to grasp onto.
.

[northsidegal]

Joindate doesn't reflect my mafia experience NSG, I was hoping my posts made that evidently clear

well i mean clearly we've demonstrated that i don't have an entirely rock solid intuitive grasp of how experienced people are based on their posts

my point wasn't really about whether or not i am the most experienced, just that the thought itself that i

could be

just hadn't occurred to me at all despite the fact that like half of this game is newer players

[2ndchosen1]

okay that's fair

I suppose asking you to take my word for it meta-wise is a bit much. I was just surprised to see not even any real questioning of "how sure are you really about this" in my direction.

I was relying on you being a more experienced player as well as noting you are one of the more active. If my arguments held water you'd most likely see it. We aren't at Elo or MElo yet

[Dannflor]

I just also have some pressure in that I probably won't be around the next day phase (although I've said that like twice already lol) that I want to make sure no one goes into any such Elo with conceptions that I could've tried harder to correct

[northsidegal]

how in favor / opposed are you guys to wrapping up this day phase some time in the next, say, five hours

[Kazyan]

I'm in favor of hammering within that timeframe, yeah.

[2ndchosen1]

Would there be a value to hearing a Elements/LM response?
I can only maybe stay 15 more minutes, I shoulda been asleep half hour ago

[unwnd]

It depends who the hammer is because I'm choosy

[2ndchosen1]

Well I'm going to head off and either check in the morning or lunch
until then UNVOTE:

[unwnd]

What do you mean by solid listing?

I see some of your game state analysis but it isn't enough for me to grasp onto.
.

FTR, I don't know how to work with this at all. What about it didn't seem understandable to you?

[northsidegal]

i'm ready for hammer any time and can give the L-1 vote when needed

[Elements]

2nd and kaz is my new guess

[Elements]

I like the cool-story-bro about what I was thinking, but this is another case of brains working differently. Given a situation where I have to defend a point textually, I tend to concede in a very non-internet-argument way, which was what happened there. (I had to reconsider my reads a lot over these past few pages, though, obviously.

Even when it's your scumread you're arguing with?

Death Tunnels are bad mkay?

Why did you feel the need to comment on this and how do death tunnels come into it?

Current Reads are
Dann - durr
Kazyan - actually listening to the person he scumread, 1027 still comes to mind. Favorable history of interactions.
Ele - Generally strung up for iffy behavior but recent interactions have me looking upon him more favorably. Especially his questioning of Kazyan to believe him, I don't see why scum wouldn't try and take that and run at least a little. 1259 in particular convinces me of this, there are only two options.
LM - Sees no problem with current situation and wants to coast in the Ele elim. This is despite pushing bad(but failed) elims earlier and yet still building consensus on reads.
unwnd - still hasn't answered my questions, and appears to be dancing to avoid them. I would like to see a reads list here. I don't necessarily like the calm of Dann/unwnd/nsg. Two people who are comfortable together making good with the IC makes me wary.
NSG - unsure if death tunneling on Ele or if opportunistic crusade. has ~reasons~ for thinking the way she does. Between Ele interaction with Kazyan, I am now looking back on the interaction with Hayker as a Mafia targeting a random town to spread confusion.
VOTE: NorthSideGal

[Elements]

is your read list ordered?

[2ndchosen1]

it was

well I look at your past play meta and do see better town play. I would expect more than just "it's X" so why haven't you done that?

[Elements]

Did you read 1371 where I related what I've done here to Open 792?

[Elements]

What if there's just one scum left?
and that's the reason there aren't many associatives to look for?

[Elements]

no nvm, the jailkeep thing

[Elements]

ignore me carry on

[2ndchosen1]

Did you read 1371 where I related what I've done here to Open 792?

I have and am openly considering that.

a lot of what i say can really be justified on elements' play this game alone. so are you really that strongly confident in your analysis of hayker's play being non-aligned with elements that it overrides everything else?

Even with that post, why should I consider your position on Kazyan when you've had such a history? His thought process seems far more open to scrutiny than yours. Just saying that you've done this stuff in another game as town isn't really enough for me. While I will consider player meta, I do not hold that players will be consistant about their play and may provide such variations as cover for future games. Simply put, it isn't the meta read from NSG alone that has my suspicion on you.

Anyway, we're running out of time, and fence sitters can pick a side now.

I am going to have to do this soon.

[Elements]

What about the 3 people conversation did you not like 2nd?

[Elements]

2nd be here and do some "real time" chat
it'll be good