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[nepenthe]

okay yeah... fuzzy's play makes sense in the context of a pr. i guess i can see how they got scumread but it's kind of a reach. people i'd be comfortable voting today are still clidd, definitely cabd. i don't really see zulfy as being particularly towny either, but i'm open to being proven wrong. also - hopefully will be able to commit more time to this game at hours that make sense this week and opening myself up to any questions people might have in order to help themselves read me.

My only question to you is if you can expand your read on me in a way where you say literally everything you are thinking, without filters, regardless of whether or not you have an offensive opinion. It is important that I understand exactly how you are seeing me, because then I can tell if you are town or scum fosing me.

my issue with this is that if i fos you, it wouldn't make sense for me to want to appeal to you or prove that i'm town - if i see you as mafia, then i see you as an informed minority which means that i feel confidently that you know i'm town. feels like a bit of a logical disconnect.

[nepenthe]

in any case, i think it's just your playstyle. sidebar for everyone: i'm going into this without meta and i'd prefer not to look at people's previous games when i say things about playstyle either - i want everyone to feel like they have a clean slate insofar as from me, they'll only be judged on how they play in this game

for me, it's that you say what looks like a lot but is really just a very simple idea expanded on to give the appearance of more content, and i get the feeling you're playing to a specific agenda which is always scum indicative to me. i think town is more natural in how they observe and share their findings and something about you today feels like you're maneuvering to find the easiest person to lynch.

[clidd]

So you think that I am effectively maintaining a good appearance of my posts to give the impression that I am talking/doing a lot, when the concept of what I am verbalizing could be summarized in a more objective and fluid way in your opinion. Ok, I think I understand that part.

[clidd]

Regarding your impression of an agenda, it doesn't make a lot of sense with the way I'm playing. I am being very open to reconsiderations and I have been following Fuzzy/Cabd/Zulfy closely in this regard.

[clidd]

I'm trying to understand if my playstyle impression is unconsciously guiding you to interpret the rest of my posts as scummy (town!you) or if you're trying to discredit me to block an universal TR (scum!you). The more you explain your process (specifying posts and showing your thought process), the better I can read you.

[clidd]

I mean, you can think that I'm scum, but if you're town, I need to know that you're town to convince you that you're scumreading town, or scumcase you if I feel that your motives are being forged by a scum pov, if that makes sense.

[Cabd]

Hmm... Maybe it's time to start talking setup design.

Fuzzy, just to confirm, your role claim is town 2-shot neo.

You get "yeah VT" on vanilla townies, which confirms them as town, and "not VT" on ALL other roles/alignments, right?

[TheFuzzylogic99]

yes,
So if i investigate a person with a PR then I will get a negative result..... same with scum they will come out as s negative results. The role depends on how many PR there are.
In my opinion if there are more then 4 town Prs then it kind of neuters my ability.

I think cc are good. The only CC that should never happen is someone with investigational roles or protective roles. For example cops, doctors bodyguard. The exception being vanilla cop, neo cops, or such role. Roles where there another more powerful /useful variant likely to be in play, For example, there is likely an alignment cop in play so my death would be minimalized.

[ben dover123]

Ok, I finished reading.

Fuzzy's role is...kinda like a alignment cop but much weaker. I think the only optimal use for his role is analyzing vt claims which don't happen often from scum (since scum usually claims a PR which is more important of a role). I'm still thinking of ways where we could safely clear Fuzzy out of mechanics but no ideas are coming to me.

I'm still safe with clidd, Maduisha, lenora, and Umlaut maybe. nepenthe's SR on clidd is very interesting and I want to see where it goes. I forgot about Zulfy and that may be a bad sign for him.

[Maduisha]

Okay, I got ignored again so I will try one last time.

Nepenthe, you made this post:

Spoiler:

i feel like this is so much talking to express a simple idea, which i usually think is

scum indicative

. town is generally way more to the point, as they don't have to try too hard to look like they're contributing whereas it's in maf's best interest to maximize everything so it looks like they have "content" and are proactive.

i call bluff

.

Then you wrote this other post afterwards:

Spoiler:

oh also, chumbo's entrance into the game with a joke feels good to me in that i think town is usually less concerned w/ how they enter a game versus mafia being too aware of what they're saying and how they might be perceived in early game so i really like that and

am inclined to townread it

.

I want to know how does the Chumbo read affect your read on Clidd's slot, because you're reading the same slot twice in page 11.

[ben dover123]

Oh I just realized, Neo can be fakeclaimed by a maf rolecop so there may not even be a mechanical way to clear Fuzzy here.

[ben dover123]

I want to know how does the Chumbo read affect your read on Clidd's slot, because you're reading the same slot twice in page 11.

I was gonna say, nepenthe was TR'ing Chumbo's entrance and then right afterwards he said "I'm inclined to vote clidd" which is weird. What is your final read on this slot, nepenthe?

[ben dover123]

Hey Cabd, I see you are still going at your Umlaut SR, can you talk to me about the reads outside of the townblock or is that "hold to chest" info as well?

[Cabd]

there may not even be a mechanical way to clear Fuzzy here.

There almost certainly isn't.

We have to decide if it's worth trying to leash here or not, given other data.

[Cabd]

Hey Cabd, I see you are still going at your Umlaut SR, can you talk to me about the reads outside of the townblock or is that "hold to chest" info as well?

Meh. It's more there because I'm lazy than because I'm still tunneled in on him.


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[ben dover123]

Hey Cabd, I see you are still going at your Umlaut SR, can you talk to me about the reads outside of the townblock or is that "hold to chest" info as well?

Meh. It's more there because I'm lazy than because I'm still tunneled in on him.


UNVOTE:

can you answer the other question thanks

[Cabd]

I can, I'm just at work at present, it'll be a "This evening" sort of ordeal.

[ben dover123]

I can, I'm just at work at present, it'll be a "This evening" sort of ordeal.

ok thanks for the heads up. will be waiting until more people filter in because it seems that it's just you and me talking here.

[Cabd]

Yeah I'm off work but I have an 18 month old here, and the other mafia scummer in this household (The wife, that is) is off to attend Ceramic Studio time, so I'm on kiddo watching duty. Means phone posts instead of keyboard-mouse posts for a bit. She usually crashes within a few hours tops.

[clidd]

Hum..

After thinking a little more, I'm not seeing scum!Fuzzy rn, regardless of his role.

I still think it's more valid to put pressure on Zulfy.

[Cabd]

The child slumbers.

[Cabd]

Most of my townreads were actually fairly weak and I was hoping the people mentioned in them would push back, but instead we have this very detached mess of a thread right now.

So, uh, here we go, I guess?

[Sirius9121]

Official Vote Count

Zulfy

(2): clidd, Umlaut

TheFuzzylogic99

(1): Zulfy

Cabd

(1): lenora

Not Voting

(5): TheFuzzylogic99, ben dover123, Maduisha, Cabd, nepenthe

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-01-27 21:11:00)

[Sirius9121]

lenora prod

[ben dover123]

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-01-27 21:11:00)

Hm. Not very long till deadline I see.

Thread is a absolute mess of inactivity. Will compromise on Zulfy if we need a last second lim but for now I'm still figuring out Fuzzy's claim and what to do with it.