Mini Normal 2191 | Endgame

[Maduisha]

I don't wish to derail the Zulfy wagon if that's what people want at the end of the day, I'm willing to pivot there if this doesn't work out.

[Umlaut]

VOTE: Nepenthe

I think I'm actually going to place this here for pressure, I really want you to elaborate on your thoughts. And I believe a little back and forth could help us understand each other, if you are willing to engage with me here.

It's a bit late in the day to vote someone "for pressure," isn't it? Especially when you say that's what it's for. I don't believe I would feel any pressure at all from a vote like that.

[Cabd]

The debate here is killing me inside.

[ben dover123]

1. i'm solidifying my scumread on clidd after going back and forth over that slot. just not able to townread them right now.

Nepenthe, sorry if I sound blunt, but is this the reason why you SR'ed clidd and voted clidd?

[nepenthe]

also worth noting, i feel like pushing on me because i liked chumbo's entrance versus not liking clidd is just a lazy thing that scum can easily latch onto when it's actually not the big contradictory mindtrap people want to set it up as.

some people are capable of having good entrances as either alignment, chumbo's did and it felt genuine. do you guys want me to ignore the fact that i don't townread the new person in the slot because the old person in the slot arguably had a better entrance to the game?

c'mon now. let's think.

It's not a contradiction because they're different people with different playstyles. I think I noted that down in one of the posts in which I addressed you about it, but it's interesting you think people "want to set it up as a contradictory mindtrap." If you have such suspicions, why are you still voting Clidd instead of Ben or me that pushed you about this?

Regardless, my question about this whole deal was how does the Chumbo townread affect your read of Clidd. I'm asking this because Clidd and Chumbo don't exist in a vacuum, they both saw the same role pm and you read them in two different alignments, which means you're wrong about one of the reads, so that's something to reflect on. And I'm not insisting on this point because of thinking you can't townread scum and then realize they're scum afterwards; I'm well aware that's a possibility, and it happened to me in my last game as well. I just want you to tell us which of the two reads you think is more likely to be wrong, and how do both of the reads mesh together in your mind.

i feel like i already answered this and i really hate repeating myself - again, apologies if that's blunt but it's a text based game where you can always filter and reread me if there's something i've already expanded on, and i've definitely expanded on this. if it helps, i bolded exactly what i think is the answer to your question.

VOTE: Nepenthe

I think I'm actually going to place this here for pressure, I really want you to elaborate on your thoughts. And I believe a little back and forth could help us understand each other, if you are willing to engage with me here.

this probably sounds stubborn and i don't mean for it to, but i townread you so there's no real reason for me to push myself to engage with you further if i feel good about the read. you're welcome to vote me, i'm not really someone who responds to pressure and certainly not at the final hour.

[nepenthe]

1. i'm solidifying my scumread on clidd after going back and forth over that slot. just not able to townread them right now.

Nepenthe, sorry if I sound blunt, but is this the reason why you SR'ed clidd and voted clidd?

i don't understand this question. you're asking me if i scumread clidd and voted clidd because i "am not able to townread them right now" after rereading... is that the question?

[nepenthe]

if so, yes. i would say i am voting the person i scumread because i don't townread them.

[Cabd]

Clidd, hypothetical for you.

You have two plays, a steady and safe methodical one, or a high risk high reward one. Which do you take, in a vacuum>?

[clidd]

You scumread me because you don't townread me? what?

@Cabd it depends on which one I feel more confident by reads/impressions.

[nepenthe]

You scumread me because you don't townread me? what?

@Cabd it depends on which one I feel more confident by reads/impressions.

idk how that concept doesn't make sense to you. i reread you, i see no reason to townread you - as such, you're in the pool of people i'd vote.

[Cabd]

Okay, different angle, what town roles do you think compliment a 2-shot Neapolitan in a 9 player setup, Clidd?

[clidd]

No idea, I'm not much of a setup-oriented player (anymore).

My guess is that VT would make sense. Scum with PR or/and goon too.

I mean, I don't know if the claim is true, but my analysis on Fuzzy points to town, so I'm inclined to think that his role is real, but I don't think that deducting the setup from that would help me in the way I do scumhunting.

[clidd]

Town with PRs/VT and scum with PR/goon is what I'm thinking.

[Cabd]

Yeah I was more asking what other town PRs you'd expect to see in a 9P.

[clidd]

Sorry, but I don't know what you're getting at.

[clidd]

If you wanna talk about reads on players, however, I'm open.

I need help with Zulfy/Lenora/Nep, if possible.

[Cabd]

I have to remind myself that not everyone reads into the ether the same way...

I'm getting at, I don't think Fuzzy's role is compatible with my own, in a queue that explicitly forbids godfather as a role type.

I was hoping to not play this way but the thought of knowingly voting wrong and letting it get away just to potentially mislim sucks and is for people with stronger stomachs than I.

I am a JOAT with investigative and self-protective abilities.

If fuzzy is town, then town has the potential to have two guilties or clears going into day two. And I am VERY wary of having that much investigative power in a 9P setup.

[ben dover123]

I have to remind myself that not everyone reads into the ether the same way...

I'm getting at, I don't think Fuzzy's role is compatible with my own, in a queue that explicitly forbids godfather as a role type.

I was hoping to not play this way but the thought of knowingly voting wrong and letting it get away just to potentially mislim sucks and is for people with stronger stomachs than I.

I am a JOAT with investigative and self-protective abilities.

If fuzzy is town, then town has the potential to have two guilties or clears going into day two. And I am VERY wary of having that much investigative power in a 9P setup.

um

so I come back from making bread to this

[Cabd]

Making bread is a GREAT hobby!

But yeah.

You came back to this indeed.

[Cabd]

I was very tempted to just hammer when he claimed but I was going to slowly let things play out... but yeah.

[ben dover123]

if so, yes. i would say i am voting the person i scumread because i don't townread them.

I don't get why you exactly SR clidd for this. I don't think this is a valid tell.


Is 2 investigative in a 9p like forbidden or smth? Didn't we talk about Isis being a destroyer of Normal Review Groups?

[ben dover123]

Also I'm not one for setup spec but I think the optimal play for you is not to reveal your abilities. That could cost us a lot of info right now.

[Cabd]

Forbidden? I mean not explicitly, but you tell me. Do you think that a setup where town can have three or more results about alignment by day three is fair?

[clidd]

@Cabd I never played or saw your role before, but I have a lot of doubts about Fuzzy being scum individually (not considering role), but if there is a confirmed incompatibility between the two of you, I can do a reassessment to see which side is more likely to be scum to me, although it doesn't make much sense to claim now on the scum!you scenario after Fuzzy's wagon lost a lot of gas.

Tbh, I can see you two being both town (individually, without claims), but I don't have the level of understanding in terms of setup to conclude whether or not it is possible for you to coexist being town PRs.

[ben dover123]

Forbidden? I mean not explicitly, but you tell me. Do you think that a setup where town can have three or more results about alignment by day three is fair?

Now that you say it...

if fuzzy is a two shot and you have a investigative ability in a cycle then 3 clears out of 9 people with 2 PR's is insane. That clears more than half of the game or even catch a free scum.