TM 2021 - Black Flag Nightless

[MathBlade]

Since we're talking about my scum game here...

I don't expect anyone to believe me I suppose, since my alignment is still not confirmed, but after game rest assured that whatever idea you had about my scum game before, it's significantly weaker now.

I simply don't have the same stamina to play mafia that I used to, I'm barely caught up here but I'm already quite tired/want to do something else, I don't have any particular motivation to tryhard as either town or scum as I used to before.

Scum play is less, say, frustrating than town since you know everyone alignment since the start, but it's much more exhausting than town if you're really trying to win, because as town you can just give up on town and say "it's not my fault if we lose this", but as scum you're much more responsible for your team's fate. There's much more responsibility in being scum than there is in being town, whether people shoulder that responsibility is another story.

I don't have even stamina enough for town play nowadays, completely rule out of the possibility I could spam as scum as much as I used to, because good scum play does require you to constantly talk, argue and pick fights against town to deceive them. It's just not in the range of what I can do today.

Look at my last scum game for example, I used a much more passive/weaker way of playing simply because I already didn't have enough stamina back then, and I've even less now.

Yeah...not going to do that. I am not even caught up on this game and you want me to hunt for a game that says your point? Not gonna happen.

[lilith2013]

the other option is me

[Shirou]

Mena you overestimate me...but thanks

I don’t think so, there’s few enough players that completely snowed (not just fooled but completely

snowed

) RC when he was playing and you did so in a p spectacular fashion

this sounds like a juicy story

They’re announced as being Fumuki and I know that they don’t generally care about being ID’d but I’d rather they confirm that they don’t mind me saying who they are here before doing so/specifying where that happened

I don't mind

[lilith2013]

Since we're talking about my scum game here...

I don't expect anyone to believe me I suppose, since my alignment is still not confirmed, but after game rest assured that whatever idea you had about my scum game before, it's significantly weaker now.

I simply don't have the same stamina to play mafia that I used to, I'm barely caught up here but I'm already quite tired/want to do something else, I don't have any particular motivation to tryhard as either town or scum as I used to before.

Scum play is less, say, frustrating than town since you know everyone alignment since the start, but it's much more exhausting than town if you're really trying to win, because as town you can just give up on town and say "it's not my fault if we lose this", but as scum you're much more responsible for your team's fate. There's much more responsibility in being scum than there is in being town, whether people shoulder that responsibility is another story.

I don't have even stamina enough for town play nowadays, completely rule out of the possibility I could spam as scum as much as I used to, because good scum play does require you to constantly talk, argue and pick fights against town to deceive them. It's just not in the range of what I can do today.

Look at my last scum game for example, I used a much more passive/weaker way of playing simply because I already didn't have enough stamina back then, and I've even less now.

Yeah...not going to do that. I am not even caught up on this game and you want me to hunt for a game that says your point? Not gonna happen.

no one asked anyone to go look at games

[Menalque]

the other option is me

Shush

[Menalque]

We both know you’re town lili, stop pretending u might be scum

[Autumn Leaves]

I know this is approaching grey area, but as a sidenote, although I think it may be NAI, if I had to place between "Towny" vs "Scummy" to Math doing weird speculations, I would put it under scummy.

In a Mastina's modded large (I forgot the name but it had to do with Wolves), Math was scum that always speculated weird things which were objectively very hard to realistically take place. In the last days if I remember right his speculation was as weird as speculating wheter vampires were considered supernatural or not, or something similar.

I just remember it was strikingly weird assumptions that at the time I did doubt anyone would genuinely make.

I think that due to this one having different circumstances, it may not apply, especially also given it's been 2 years since that game, but still I would like to point that out?

Didn't you just say you wanted large samples of meta before using it at all?

Math does this as both alignments

[MathBlade]

Since we're talking about my scum game here...

I don't expect anyone to believe me I suppose, since my alignment is still not confirmed, but after game rest assured that whatever idea you had about my scum game before, it's significantly weaker now.

I simply don't have the same stamina to play mafia that I used to, I'm barely caught up here but I'm already quite tired/want to do something else, I don't have any particular motivation to tryhard as either town or scum as I used to before.

Scum play is less, say, frustrating than town since you know everyone alignment since the start, but it's much more exhausting than town if you're really trying to win, because as town you can just give up on town and say "it's not my fault if we lose this", but as scum you're much more responsible for your team's fate. There's much more responsibility in being scum than there is in being town, whether people shoulder that responsibility is another story.

I don't have even stamina enough for town play nowadays, completely rule out of the possibility I could spam as scum as much as I used to, because good scum play does require you to constantly talk, argue and pick fights against town to deceive them. It's just not in the range of what I can do today.

Look at my last scum game for example, I used a much more passive/weaker way of playing simply because I already didn't have enough stamina back then, and I've even less now.

Yeah...not going to do that. I am not even caught up on this game and you want me to hunt for a game that says your point? Not gonna happen.

no one asked anyone to go look at games

Are you reading? Shirou literally just asked me to look at their last scum game lol. Like wtf? Am I in gaslightville?

[lilith2013]

I realized I actually do have meta on scum!math so I’ll probably go look at that at some point, but I feel decent scumreading math

[lilith2013]

Since we're talking about my scum game here...

I don't expect anyone to believe me I suppose, since my alignment is still not confirmed, but after game rest assured that whatever idea you had about my scum game before, it's significantly weaker now.

I simply don't have the same stamina to play mafia that I used to, I'm barely caught up here but I'm already quite tired/want to do something else, I don't have any particular motivation to tryhard as either town or scum as I used to before.

Scum play is less, say, frustrating than town since you know everyone alignment since the start, but it's much more exhausting than town if you're really trying to win, because as town you can just give up on town and say "it's not my fault if we lose this", but as scum you're much more responsible for your team's fate. There's much more responsibility in being scum than there is in being town, whether people shoulder that responsibility is another story.

I don't have even stamina enough for town play nowadays, completely rule out of the possibility I could spam as scum as much as I used to, because good scum play does require you to constantly talk, argue and pick fights against town to deceive them. It's just not in the range of what I can do today.

Look at my last scum game for example, I used a much more passive/weaker way of playing simply because I already didn't have enough stamina back then, and I've even less now.

Yeah...not going to do that. I am not even caught up on this game and you want me to hunt for a game that says your point? Not gonna happen.

no one asked anyone to go look at games

Are you reading? Shirou literally just asked me to look at their last scum game lol. Like wtf? Am I in gaslightville?

which sentence in the post you quoted is a request to look at his scumgame?

[Shirou]

(but again I really think that the game in question is not a very valid game because the circumstances on it were...

there were just too many circumstances in that game).

I do think we probably should change the topic though

Yeah...not going to do that. I am not even caught up on this game and you want me to hunt for a game that says your point? Not gonna happen.

I'm not really saying for anyone not interested to take a look?

I'm just saying mostly to mena or anyone that knows my previous scum games already.

[MathBlade]

Look at my last scum game for example, I used a much more passive/weaker way of playing simply because I already didn't have enough stamina back then, and I've even less now.

^^ it’s literally right there.

Wtf

Lunch is over I gotta go but something stinks here

[Shirou]

Didn't you just say you wanted large samples of meta before using it at all?

Math does this as both alignments

I said that it's mostly NAI didn't I?

I just wanted to point out because it was the sole reason I suspected math in scum PT

look you can scum read me but don't engage me in bad-faith or I'm gonna start completely ignoring your slot (I don't mean this in an aggressive way, it's just that there's a difference between casually saying something about someone game vs basing your entire read on that).

[lilith2013]

I legitimately cannot articulate how flabbergasted I am

[Menalque]

Lunch is over I gotta go but something stinks here

What a missed opportunity

You could have gone for like “i finished the fish I was going eating for lunch but something still stinks here” or so many other options

[lilith2013]

Look at my last scum game for example, I used a much more passive/weaker way of playing simply because I already didn't have enough stamina back then, and I've even less now.

^^ it’s literally right there.

Wtf

Lunch is over I gotta go but something stinks here

He’s not asking for anyone to look at the game, he’s describing it and saying “here’s an example”?????

[Shirou]

Wtf

Lunch is over I gotta go but something stinks here

Why...

Why...do you think that was me talking to you and not just using an example of how my scum game changed to the general playerlist?

I didn't even mean "take a look" as literally "please read this game". It was mostly "if anyone is interested in an example, in X game I...".

But...ahh ok.

[lilith2013]

This isn’t even relevant to anything in the game, shirou was just like... offering up some philosophical analysis of himself. He’s not using it to defend against something and including meta as an argument.

[lilith2013]

This is fucking wild

[lilith2013]

VOTE: mathblade

[Autumn Leaves]

Since we're talking about my scum game here...

I don't expect anyone to believe me I suppose, since my alignment is still not confirmed, but after game rest assured that whatever idea you had about my scum game before, it's significantly weaker now.

I simply don't have the same stamina to play mafia that I used to, I'm barely caught up here but I'm already quite tired/want to do something else, I don't have any particular motivation to tryhard as either town or scum as I used to before.

Scum play is less, say, frustrating than town since you know everyone alignment since the start, but it's much more exhausting than town if you're really trying to win, because as town you can just give up on town and say "it's not my fault if we lose this", but as scum you're much more responsible for your team's fate. There's much more responsibility in being scum than there is in being town, whether people shoulder that responsibility is another story.

I don't have even stamina enough for town play nowadays, completely rule out of the possibility I could spam as scum as much as I used to, because good scum play does require you to constantly talk, argue and pick fights against town to deceive them. It's just not in the range of what I can do today.

Look at my last scum game for example, I used a much more passive/weaker way of playing simply because I already didn't have enough stamina back then, and I've even less now.

Yeah...not going to do that. I am not even caught up on this game and you want me to hunt for a game that says your point? Not gonna happen.

Didn't you just say you wanted large samples of meta before using it at all?

Math does this as both alignments

I said that it's mostly NAI didn't I?

I just wanted to point out because it was the sole reason I suspected math in scum PT

look you can scum read me but don't engage me in bad-faith or I'm gonna start completely ignoring your slot (I don't mean this in an aggressive way, it's just that there's a difference between casually saying something about someone game vs basing your entire read on that).

I really don't see how I'm engaging you in bad faith here, your starting point was "I don't use meta at all" until you had a large enough sample size to get consistent results. Am I misinterpreting that?

[Menalque]

VOTE: mathblade

U already hammered lili

[lilith2013]

it’s a new fucking day isn’t it????

[lilith2013]

whatever consider my d2 vote on math

[Menalque]

Oh I thought we had a night phase