TM 2021: A normal roguelike

[Datisi]

creature, say hi to dgb for me. i don't think i've ever interacted with it personally but it seems like a nice person.

deas, what is your takeaway from me/bulge?

note: i feel like this is a game where scum has... easier than normal time appearing townie / solvey / whatever the fuck. which is partly why i wouldn't mind flashwagoning a townlean, if someone brought up a convincing case.

[Creature]

Also 865 is very bad

I would actually love some elaboration on this. Why is it bad? Is it because you disagree and think RCE is town? The game needs to know.

Looks like wishy washy, fencesitting, stiff and nonsolvey at all

[Creature]

creature, say hi to dgb for me. i don't think i've ever interacted with it personally but it seems like a nice person.

She thanks you for that

[Creature]

note: i feel like this is a game where scum has... easier than normal time appearing townie / solvey / whatever the fuck. which is partly why i wouldn't mind flashwagoning a townlean, if someone brought up a convincing case.

Meh, we got most of he slankers in this game.

[petapan]

those words are not ones i would ascribe at all to a post that stakes a very clear concrete position and makes arguments for it

[Creature]

I think we should just push somewhere to get the game moving.

[DeasVail]

My initial impression has been that you’re both town. I think that it was a weak case but I don’t agree with others in thinking that bulge is scummy for it.

I think I feel similar about you and bulge to how you feel about me, which is why I understand your enthusiasm to see a case on me. I felt the same way about a case on you.

But RCE is a case where everything lines up with what I expect from scum (unlike previous pushes of mine) and so I would be concerned about the elimination not going through. At this stage, providing a push to help make that happen is my main priority.

I think that a lot of Creature’s posts are overly vague/unhelpful/not thought through, but I still find myself questioning whether that actually comes from scum or not.

PEdit: above is @Datisi

[DeasVail]

I think we should just push somewhere to get the game moving.

This is obviously what I’m doing and I am quite baffled that you seem to have an issue with it

[Creature]

I think we should just push somewhere to get the game moving.

This is obviously what I’m doing and I am quite baffled that you seem to have an issue with it

Thought you only circlejerked further onto RCE?

[DeasVail]

Your posting implies that you want a push to happen somewhere but if I am pushing RCE that is not a valid push for some reason?

[DeasVail]

Also creature is probably town, especially if RCE is scum

[Sirius9121]

Sirius/Xof were just low posters, being time strapped the idea was to get through the shorter isos first.

im not a 'low poster'

my posts are just low quality

[petapan]

Also creature is probably town, especially if RCE is scum

i lean that way based on his responses to you (an just overall) but as a rule i never townclear anyone who hard defends scum


RCE's one post today was 828. i think DV makes good points. team has not gone against the read so i'm just going to stick with it


VOTE: RCEnigma

time's a-wastin'. let's get a claim.

[DeasVail]

i lean that way based on his responses to you (an just overall) but as a rule i never townclear anyone who hard defends scum

Fair point. I think I possibly swung too hard in the opposite direction when I realised “oh gosh creature is actually town”. What it means for where my reads are at overall? I don’t know. I’m planning to do a relook at Augustus and Summer in particular as they are not reads I have really properly thought about in a little while. But yeah I’m good with getting a claim here.

[Isis]

DrippingGoofball uses it/its pronouns

[petapan]

despite my teammates having nothing to do i am getting no help on this game and it was frustrating (now i know how it feels to hydra with me), but then i tried to reread people myself and comment on things and now i completely realize why they won't, because i can get

nothing

from this game.

i think DV is town and lean town on datisi but don't want to bother explaining, and that's all i have

[xRECKONERx]

read dumping from cheetory here bc I"m still at work and figuring out my new work schedule:

datisi: liked earlier drive in the game and questioning, recently feels like a fall off and more aimless whinging rather than solving; most recent datisi post feels "good"
peta: overdramatic posting feels fake, esp. w/r/t bulge interactions
dv: havent read closely but vibes w/ most of his posts other than the "weird pop in" just now (idk what this is referencing)
ari: probtown, just scattered play
bulge: bursts of townish energy, needs to do more and push harder on reads
rce: no understand of beeboy meta people were having. catchup posts are fine but would be easier to read/sort rce off direct engagement w/ people rather than walling a bunch of catchups/isodives
hectic: remembers liking their posts but couldn't tell you which ones anymore
xof: tone off of town alone
creature: seems like he might be trying to accomplish something?? maybe?? cheet has no idea what or how but gun to his head it's probably +town creature

[Datisi]

i was about to go through the activity and make a list of when everyone's last game-advancing post is and i bet for ~half of the game it would be at least 4 days ago but honestly what the fuck even is the point.

intent on rce

i don't know if rce is at Y-1 or Y-2 (reck unvoted in 790 but 824 shows him as voting) so if he's at Y-2 consider this a vote and if he's at Y-1 consider this intent. i don't like this wagon and am still open for a cfd but what even is the point.

[Augustus Caesar]

Shame I've had a mafia burnout during team mafia, but what can ya do. I'll continue slowly catching up while sipping on this coffee over here, that should help.

[Augustus Caesar]

I like Datisi's response in 678 to the Bulge case. Overall, I think the Bulge's points on the "threating townlean" and "cutting off conversation" thing are reachy, and Datisi's explanations are reasonable.

I'm gonna spice this catchup up with some GIFs to entertain myself.

Probably, through 7 pages my shortlist poe is datisi/Deasveil/Reck

You have town thoughts on everyone else already?

I don’t want to be rude because replacing into this slot as scum would be awful but your posting has made me more confident in the slot being scum than I was previously and I feel the need to express that.

Towny. The concern over appearing rude if RCE has been dealt a doomed scumslot is not something scum fake a lot, while it's a natural thought that can come to town. This actually looks better for Deus if RCE is town.

VOTE: RCEnigma

I’m fine if people want to wait and see more, but I think I’ve seen enough to be comfortable with an elimination here

I am curious to see what in RCE's posting has made you so confident he's scum though.

VOTE: RCEnigma

I’m fine if people want to wait and see more, but I think I’ve seen enough to be comfortable with an elimination here

Me too, but I don't want to end up being pressured all day tomorrow and feel unable to scumhunt due to that wagon

Why are you expecting a wagon on you? I don't think there are many, if any, votes on you now.

I mean, RCE probably drops dead today, but tomorrow I may be at risk.

I still wonder why you are concerned about the risk of a wagon on you though

I think the open concern is slightly towny actually. Scum are much more often under fear of being caught since they're the correct solution, but they don't voice that for obvious reasons. So when someone does voice concern, I think the lack of concern for how it appears is indicative of town.



Agree with the Sirius townlean/reads here. I've seen Sirius-scum freeze up before and just post nothing, not even fun fluff. So the fact it's team mafia and he's just posting for fun, even while being randomly reaction pressured like peta did way back is quite towny. Also, his teams thoughts haven't looked bad.

After looking at the VC on my rep in that didn't really line up, there is scum on my wagon and I'd bet multiple scum at that. Deas wasn't on my wagon when I made that statement, you weren't either so I figured I might have made a wrong assessment there.

Don't get this assessment. There's a clear reason why you're the main wagon, and there's one main pusher, peta (though I would be pushing the slot for the exact same reasons if he hadn't). You say peta is most likely town of everyone on the wagon, does this mean you think peta's case is bad and that town most likely wouldn't be voting your slot - meaning some of the votes are in bad faith and ergo scum? I think the case/reasoning is fine so it's just as likely that there's just 1 or even 0 scum on the wagon, and scum are fine with a town wagon being pushed through without any of their support.

Want to hear why exactly you think the lack of counterwagons is indicative of anything given the context, where there's an obvious slot that's playing to their scummeta and not defending themselves at all, and if scum, means that scum can in no way counterwagon it without looking very scummy down the line for it, and doing so would be difficult in the first place.

[Adorable]

Hectic what are you saying? Your post when you responded to RCEnigma's #766 you said the case/reasoning is fine and said it's likely there's just 1 or even 0 scum on the wagon and scum are fine with a town wagon being pushed. The way how I interpreted your post it looked like you are saying RCEnigma is town saying there is likely just 1 or 0 scum on the wagon and you still keep your vote on him.

[Augustus Caesar]

RCE's arguing there's multiple scum on his wagon from the perspective of him being town. I'm questioning him to see if that assessment is genuine, because I don't think it's a good one.

[RCEnigma]

Want to hear why exactly you think the lack of counterwagons is indicative of anything given the context, where there's an obvious slot that's playing to their scummeta and not defending themselves at all, and if scum, means that scum can in no way counterwagon it without looking very scummy down the line for it, and doing so would be difficult in the first place.

Well they hadn't played at all. So not only is it a safe scumplay but, it stalls out actual scumhunting. Beeboy was the safe lynch because he's not really playing so losing them doesn't really matter and there is still the possibility to flip scum right? That's objectively the correct Town play in the absence of anything concrete.

But on the other hand scum don't need a high profile day 1 flip, any town flip is a freebie even if it's not impactful right away plus they get a chance to flip a PR without any pushback.

Peta's vote, I believe he thinks this is beeboys meta. Like I said I've never heard of beeboy so I don't know, could be bs but seems to be corroborated to some degree. I know that's a wrong assessment but I can see how a town!peta gets there.

But I also don't believe that the strongest scumread all 5 other slots has is a game flake with no posts. Either, this town is just garbage or some of the "scumhunting" going on with slots on my wagon is for show. And I don't think you're all garbage.

[RCEnigma]

RCE's arguing there's multiple scum on his wagon from the perspective of him being town. I'm questioning him to see if that assessment is genuine, because I don't think it's a good one.

It's possible there is only 1 but I was drawing the idea of 2 from the lack of hammer or movement. Scum don't really want a rep in as it could lose them the elim but if they have the numbers to stick it then it's not *as* risky.

[petapan]

hey man we're at 2 days to deadline we need a claim