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Post Post #3325 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:12 pm

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In post 3323, Bell wrote:I would say its either Fb, Dunstrall or you if pushed rn.

I genuinely think Flea is town both based on in game evidence and their approach to people.

Fb suspicion is mostly or in part due to their mood dipping at start of day and their curiosity for the Mr. Satan plant by 3p oil. I could see it go either way tho.
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Post Post #3326 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 6:48 pm

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In post 3323, Bell wrote:I would say its either Fb, Dunstrall or you if pushed rn.

I genuinely think Flea is town both based on in game evidence and their approach to people.

Fb suspicion is mostly or in part due to their mood dipping at start of day and their curiosity for the Mr. Satan plant by 3p oil. I could see it go either way tho.
U don't seem concerned to figure out who between me and dunn it is. Unless u just think im bussing dunny
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Post Post #3327 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:13 pm

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In post 3326, Firebringer wrote:
In post 3323, Bell wrote:I would say its either Fb, Dunstrall or you if pushed rn.

I genuinely think Flea is town both based on in game evidence and their approach to people.

Fb suspicion is mostly or in part due to their mood dipping at start of day and their curiosity for the Mr. Satan plant by 3p oil. I could see it go either way tho.
U don't seem concerned to figure out who between me and dunn it is. Unless u just think im bussing dunny
This is a common logical assumption that because I suspect both of you, I must think you're scum partners together or that I find it more likely that you're scum together.
I'm not making that assumption.
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Post Post #3328 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:30 pm

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Oh, you mean I'm not trying to sort between you two to figure out which of you is the other scum. No, i'm not at that point yet.
How does the game look to you?
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Post Post #3329 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2021 10:39 pm

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Perhaps better put.
I focused on the easiest to sort (probably SB and Flea)
and now I have to PoE with and work with that.

I *think* Guillotine is scum.
But maybe I'm siting on a sunk cost fallacy boat.
Their narrative and arguments are getting better overtime, imo.
But it's kind of like somebody coming up with an alibi after finding themselves in a police station hours later.
It's difficult to differentiate.
There hasn't been much discussion

about people's thoughts on the alignments of everyone this day phase.
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Post Post #3330 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:44 am

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The reason there hasn’t been much discussion from me is because G imho is conf scum. The way I mainly sort by asking questions and pressuring people is pretty much not possible because everyone should just vote G and end this day. Scum can’t be afraid of any push I do so it becomes more of a tone and how people responded to your case than anything else. I feel pretty powerless.

There’s no good way to force Kookie to play that I can see and poking Dunn has the force of a feather when I can’t do anything about it. So pretty much I will top wagon anyone into the arena just to get G there and then a new day.
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Post Post #3331 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:42 am

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In post 3330, MathBlade wrote:The reason there hasn’t been much discussion from me is because G imho is conf scum. The way I mainly sort by asking questions and pressuring people is pretty much not possible because everyone should just vote G and end this day. Scum can’t be afraid of any push I do so it becomes more of a tone and how people responded to your case than anything else. I feel pretty powerless.

There’s no good way to force Kookie to play that I can see and poking Dunn has the force of a feather when I can’t do anything about it. So pretty much I will top wagon anyone into the arena just to get G there and then a new day.
Vote dunn then
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Post Post #3332 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 4:56 am

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Rip just double checked votes I can’t count lmao

VOTE: Dunn
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Post Post #3333 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:29 am

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Are you guys sure you scum read Dunnstral to send him with me? I will hammer if so but if i do, there is no going back.
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Post Post #3334 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:53 am

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im not especially scumreading Dunnstral. If Bell is proven town, I'd go with a solve more like:

Guillotina + 2? from Firebringer/MathBlade/Superbowl

Math is playing his scumgame. Firebringer is making me uneasy this dayphase. Superbowl's obsession with 3Ps is scummy. Dunnstral just feels like LHF here.
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Post Post #3335 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:57 am

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In post 3318, Bell wrote:You shouldn't be town reading either of them. I understand bloat but I don't see what either of them have done as being particularly townie or not easily faked or fabricated.
I think how Battlemage interacted with Guilotina was well practiced if not town posting. It looks on the surface to be anti-assoiative and is in line with how battle mage usually interacts with other players.
I think the charade that I'm scummy for my play this game or whatever is overblown and might be faked.
I don't understand this? Is it simply an attempted dig at me for pointing out how scummy you've looked recently? :lol: Not sure what you're suggesting I'd gain from saying that as scum, but I'm gonna call OMGUS. :wink:
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Post Post #3336 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:10 am

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In post 3334, Battle Mage wrote:im not especially scumreading Dunnstral. If Bell is proven town, I'd go with a solve more like:

Guillotina + 2? from Firebringer/MathBlade/Superbowl

Math is playing his scumgame. Firebringer is making me uneasy this dayphase. Superbowl's obsession with 3Ps is scummy. Dunnstral just feels like LHF here.
I love this post. I'm gonna flip town though, so you are either scum with two in that group or it's exactly those three.
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Post Post #3337 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 8:31 am

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In post 3334, Battle Mage wrote:im not especially scumreading Dunnstral. If Bell is proven town, I'd go with a solve more like:

Guillotina + 2? from Firebringer/MathBlade/Superbowl

Math is playing his scumgame. Firebringer is making me uneasy this dayphase. Superbowl's obsession with 3Ps is scummy. Dunnstral just feels like LHF here.
Why are you not scumreading Dunn becomes the question?
And why are you saying this is my scum game?
I don’t see what you mean by 3P obsession?

And why two? I agree it’s probably Bell town I just don’t follow where you’re coming from here.
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Post Post #3338 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:13 am

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In post 3337, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3334, Battle Mage wrote:im not especially scumreading Dunnstral. If Bell is proven town, I'd go with a solve more like:

Guillotina + 2? from Firebringer/MathBlade/Superbowl

Math is playing his scumgame. Firebringer is making me uneasy this dayphase. Superbowl's obsession with 3Ps is scummy. Dunnstral just feels like LHF here.
Why are you not scumreading Dunn becomes the question?
What do you mean by "becomes the question"? Sounds like you're trying to divert a post about my reads, into talking about your reads. No revisionist history please :lol:
In post 3337, MathBlade wrote: And why are you saying this is my scum game?
I don’t see what you mean by 3P obsession?

And why two? I agree it’s probably Bell town I just don’t follow where you’re coming from here.
I'll answer your questions in good faith, although I have wonder if you're just posturing here? As you've asked me about literally everything. You may as well have said "Battle Mage what the f**k are you on about?" :lol:

In games we've played together - when you are town, you are tend to be more erratic, illogical and confrontational. As scum you tend to be more methodical, strategic and collaborative. This feels more like the latter than the former - your takes have been sensible and you have slotted into the game nicely. To me that says Math-scum.

You'll need to go back and read the Superbowl 3p stuff really - he kept going on about 3Ps, like you do about mafia traitors. But it was done in such a way that it felt genuine - and generally scum love to focus attention on hunting 3P to take the heat off themselves. Just a thought. :lol:

I don't know how many scum there are - I started the game assuming 3, but earlier some people speculated about it being 2.

If you don't follow that's fine - you can agree to disagree - but there's nothing particularly deep or controversial about my takes here.
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Post Post #3339 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:14 am

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In post 3336, Guillotina wrote:
In post 3334, Battle Mage wrote:im not especially scumreading Dunnstral. If Bell is proven town, I'd go with a solve more like:

Guillotina + 2? from Firebringer/MathBlade/Superbowl

Math is playing his scumgame. Firebringer is making me uneasy this dayphase. Superbowl's obsession with 3Ps is scummy. Dunnstral just feels like LHF here.
I love this post. I'm gonna flip town though, so you are either scum with two in that group or it's exactly those three.
...or presumably it's just a different combination entirely?
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Post Post #3340 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:18 am

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In post 3329, Bell wrote:Perhaps better put.
I focused on the easiest to sort (probably SB and Flea)
and now I have to PoE with and work with that.

I *think* Guillotine is scum.
But maybe I'm siting on a sunk cost fallacy boat.
Their narrative and arguments are getting better overtime, imo.
But it's kind of like somebody coming up with an alibi after finding themselves in a police station hours later.
It's difficult to differentiate.
There hasn't been much discussion

about people's thoughts on the alignments of everyone this day phase.
it's a mech-heavy game dude, and I think part of it is legitimate, non-AI, fatigue with how stressful the previous dayphases have been - I'm inclined to think Noraa fits in that camp, rather than being scum flaking. You're right that there hasn't been much discussion but everyone is being friendly, and so I'm just happy it's calm. I figure we are just sorting you and Guillo today, and then we start over tomorrow. Once we flip some scum, it'll be easier to go back and find the other(s).
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Post Post #3341 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:24 am

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In post 3338, Battle Mage wrote:
In post 3337, MathBlade wrote:
In post 3334, Battle Mage wrote:im not especially scumreading Dunnstral. If Bell is proven town, I'd go with a solve more like:

Guillotina + 2? from Firebringer/MathBlade/Superbowl

Math is playing his scumgame. Firebringer is making me uneasy this dayphase. Superbowl's obsession with 3Ps is scummy. Dunnstral just feels like LHF here.
Why are you not scumreading Dunn becomes the question?
What do you mean by "becomes the question"? Sounds like you're trying to divert a post about my reads, into talking about your reads. No revisionist history please :lol:
In post 3337, MathBlade wrote: And why are you saying this is my scum game?
I don’t see what you mean by 3P obsession?

And why two? I agree it’s probably Bell town I just don’t follow where you’re coming from here.
I'll answer your questions in good faith, although I have wonder if you're just posturing here? As you've asked me about literally everything. You may as well have said "Battle Mage what the f**k are you on about?" :lol:

In games we've played together - when you are town, you are tend to be more erratic, illogical and confrontational. As scum you tend to be more methodical, strategic and collaborative. This feels more like the latter than the former - your takes have been sensible and you have slotted into the game nicely. To me that says Math-scum.

You'll need to go back and read the Superbowl 3p stuff really - he kept going on about 3Ps, like you do about mafia traitors. But it was done in such a way that it felt genuine - and generally scum love to focus attention on hunting 3P to take the heat off themselves. Just a thought. :lol:

I don't know how many scum there are - I started the game assuming 3, but earlier some people speculated about it being 2.

If you don't follow that's fine - you can agree to disagree - but there's nothing particularly deep or controversial about my takes here.
Funny enough I actually erased something very similar to that then just let that go.

I have been working towards being less “grrrrr” in my town games. You saw that in the mason game as a whole. Yes, that statement used to be accurate.

Regarding Super Bowl I will look out for that overnight, thanks.

And with the last comment I wouldn’t assume anything. You know the phrase and what happens to you and me :P

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Post Post #3342 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:37 pm

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In post 3333, Guillotina wrote:Are you guys sure you scum read Dunnstral to send him with me? I will hammer if so but if i do, there is no going back.
You realize you're the one being elimmed, right?
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Post Post #3343 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 1:55 pm

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In post 3342, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3333, Guillotina wrote:Are you guys sure you scum read Dunnstral to send him with me? I will hammer if so but if i do, there is no going back.
You realize you're the one being elimmed, right?
I'm not.
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Post Post #3344 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 2:18 pm

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I intent to hammer. :mrgreen:
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Post Post #3345 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:28 pm

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Can we just hammer dunn
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Post Post #3346 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:28 pm

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I'm pretty sure me and Flavor's solves were correct, just add in dunn or firebringer
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Post Post #3347 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 3:32 pm

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WRT the third party thing BM - how am I distracting from finding scum with the 3P stuff? We all agreed Flea/Oil were either scum or 3P anyways - do you see me hunting for any other 3P? It doesn't matter to me if Flea is scum or 3P but now that they've been checked we know they're not scum, meaning either my 3P theory is right or they're town which I highly doubt. So I was right about it as well.
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Post Post #3348 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:35 pm

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A vote count would nice.
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Post Post #3349 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2021 5:36 pm

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A vote count would be nice.

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