TM2021 | Anime Destroys Untrod Tripod | Endgame

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NorwegianboyEE(2)

~ Flavor Leaf(22), Ramcius(20)

Akarin(2)

~ NorwegianboyEE(24), TheGoldenParadox(5)


Not Voting (7): Mistyx(2), Iconeum(0), Nancy Drew 39(14), Pine(0), thestatusquo(10), Dr Easy Bake(0), Akarin(0)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to eliminate.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2021-02-12 12:40:00)

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[Ramcius]

What do you learn about D1 wagons from Akarin's flip?

I don't know yet. I'm just voting them for reactions and later wagon analyzis. And it's also PoE because i'm townreading most other slots yesterday, so if they aren't scum then that means no scum was wagoned at all yesterday and that'd be good information to have.

So, you prefer to vote a lurk slot with no real plan instead of trying to go after some more active slot that can be actually engaged?

I think you could convince TSQ to vote me and maybe TGP with his idea of me and Akarin being scumbuddies, so that would be 3 votes on me, while you have 2 on Akarin right now.

If Akarin is scum then that would look worse for you though.

Why are you so concerned about my image in this game?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah, no, I believe 1 lurker flip is enough for now

VOTE: TGP

alright, this is the post that makes me believe the earlier fight between TSQ and Ramcius was TvS. Saying "1 lurker flip is enough" attempts to take attention off of people who should have attention on them, and makes it easy to defend people who aren't particularly defensible. i'm not a fan of it at all, and when i've seen it i think it's done far more often from scum trying to take the heat off of their buddies than town genuinely being against flipping lurkers.

VOTE: akarin couple reasons i'm voting akarin instead of ramcius right now - first, a scum flip from her incriminates ramcius far more than vice versa largely because of this post. second, i haven't seen much in the way of town posts from akarin, and i think ramcius will be sorted by other flips eventually in a way that akarin will not because of lack of interactions.

Don’t you think this is a bit of an over reaction to the start of D2? I’d think if Akarin and Ram were aligned, he wouldn’t want to go out of his way to paint such a ginormous target on him. I’d view this as somewhere between neutral to possibly even anti-associative.

TGP makes bad pushes as town, so you have no way how to evaluate it if he isn’t.

Are you doubting your TR on me now?

No, I’m trying to evaluate TGP because bad reasoning isn’t AI for him,

I mean, i expect to hear how ridiculous idea it was to even think like that about your TR, but you say there's a possibility that I tried to turn my scumbuddy into counterwagon to zor

No, I’m referring to TGP’s expressed reasons for voting you. I’m saying there not good reasons.

I think you’re misunderstanding me. lmao. I’m saying it would be ridiculous for scum!you to paint such a huge target on your back if you and Akarin were buddies.

That’s why I’m saying that TGP’s reason for voting you is bad.

[Flavor Leaf]

Norwegian's also been positioning me in a complete fence sit majority of the game. Started after I started getting town read. Sure, I get it, but like, it seems they're purposefully positioning me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

yeah, agree with shea that ico is town here.
i hate to read her like this, but the way she is going off on people who scumread her this game makes me suspect nancy's town too, although i hate that that kind of behavior earns nancy a townread because it's toxic and antitown.

I don't understand what has changed between now and when you were scum leaning. She's been playing this way the entire time. This also goes back to my question about why you were being so meek earlier which I don't think you answered.

her going off on Ico changed.
me being meek? i don't understand

So you tr me because of my reaction to Ico, then in what world does that make it “antitown”?

because things that can be town indicative can also be antitown? AtE, specifically.

That makes absolutely no sense.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are you so concerned about my image in this game?

How is this question helping you solve me?
If you really care then i'd assume you would ask questions of substance and not ones that have no real purpose.

[Ramcius]

Why are you so concerned about my image in this game?

How is this question helping you solve me?
If you really care then i'd assume you would ask questions of substance and not ones that have no real purpose.

Well, you were talking about voting me, then few posts later you care about my image and how I would look bad, if Akarin would flip red, so I want to know your thought process that led to this

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah, no, I believe 1 lurker flip is enough for now

VOTE: TGP

alright, this is the post that makes me believe the earlier fight between TSQ and Ramcius was TvS. Saying "1 lurker flip is enough" attempts to take attention off of people who should have attention on them, and makes it easy to defend people who aren't particularly defensible. i'm not a fan of it at all, and when i've seen it i think it's done far more often from scum trying to take the heat off of their buddies than town genuinely being against flipping lurkers.

VOTE: akarin couple reasons i'm voting akarin instead of ramcius right now - first, a scum flip from her incriminates ramcius far more than vice versa largely because of this post. second, i haven't seen much in the way of town posts from akarin, and i think ramcius will be sorted by other flips eventually in a way that akarin will not because of lack of interactions.

Don’t you think this is a bit of an over reaction to the start of D2? I’d think if Akarin and Ram were aligned, he wouldn’t want to go out of his way to paint such a ginormous target on him. I’d view this as somewhere between neutral to possibly even anti-associative.

TGP makes bad pushes as town, so you have no way how to evaluate it if he isn’t.

i- are you one to talk here??

You confibiased me on a silly reason, despite being wrong on me twice. Then you tried to flatter me into being okay with your sr on me. Then you decide I’m town but attack me and call me “antitown”, when you straight up admitted that your read on me was wrong. No you’re sr Ram for a ridiculous reason. And I already explained why in my previous post.

But what’s even stranger is that you vote Akarin for you disliking Ram’s vote. If you sr her independently of that, you should say so and explain it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are you so concerned about my image in this game?

How is this question helping you solve me?
If you really care then i'd assume you would ask questions of substance and not ones that have no real purpose.

Well, you were talking about voting me, then few posts later you care about my image and how I would look bad, if Akarin would flip red, so I want to know your thought process that led to this

This is a very clear cut progression. I don't know what sort of questions you'd have for it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

D2
>You express suspicion on Akarin and would like to vote there.

D3
>I vote Akarin
>You say you don't want to vote Akarin because you hate lurker wagons.
>Vote me because i vote Akarin.
>I express suspicion on your motivations and express that if Akarin is scum then that makes you more likely scum
>You question this.


What about this was so curious you had to ask for elaboration of my mindset?

[Nancy Drew 39]

After re-thinking things yesterday with my team i have reasons to believe TGP’s claim is more likely town.
First of all, their play makes more sense as town than scum due to key points from Shirou.
And JJH told me their claim makes sense with their flavour. And setup wise it’s more likely a town claim too.

Can you refresh my memory on why Shrou is tr TGP again? Why does their claim make sense with their flavour? Neighbourizer is an NAI claim and we don’t even know if it’s real or not yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nancy.
TGP doesn't always make sense, i'd say just roll with it and don't pressure him for things that are NAI for him.

[Nancy Drew 39]

It’s the epitome of a NAI claim, while I started to lean town on THP for other reasons, that reasoning is poor.

I don’t care.
I’m convinced.

Based on?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Nancy
Very cut-throat version of what we went over on why TGP being town is this:

- Voting Nancy is anti-survivalistic
- Trying to get Ramcius/Status to stop drowning the thread with the same arguments for pages is pro-town, it was making harder for relevant content to be produced
- TGP has a fair sense of originality on his takes, and also didn't want to be part on Zor, mindmelding with me in the fact that Ceph opinions part of Zor post had good points

[Ramcius]

D2
>You express suspicion on Akarin and would like to vote there.

D3
>I vote Akarin
>You say you don't want to vote Akarin because you hate lurker wagons.
>Vote me because i vote Akarin.
>I express suspicion on your motivations and express that if Akarin is scum then that makes you more likely scum
>You question this.


What about this was so curious you had to ask for elaboration of my mindset?

I never said that I hate lurker wagons, I said that I see no reason to vote a lurker.
I never said that I voted you for voting Akarin, I voted you, because I think you're scum and you have no real reason to vote Akarin aside from the fact that she was a D1 wagon
I question your wording - there is different between "it makes you more likely to be scum" and "it will make you look worse"

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just don't like how Ramcius seemed to have no opinion coming in today, until randomly attacking me when he's ignored me up to now. Only because daddy FL is pushing me. I think it's a very safe position to be in as scum to push me in the name of Flavour Leaf, and justifying yourself with logic only when the actual wagon has been set up.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If town!FL Ramcius could very much be scum here.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy.
TGP doesn't always make sense, i'd say just roll with it and don't pressure him for things that are NAI for him.

Why tf wouldn’t I want to pressure him? What exactly are you suggesting I roll with? I don’t like TGP’s reason for voting Ram and you think I should just be okay with it for not making sense?

[NorwegianboyEE]

A la, scum!ABR hiding behind Flavour Leaf's god awful takes on the game back in Large 230.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Nancy.
TGP doesn't always make sense, i'd say just roll with it and don't pressure him for things that are NAI for him.

Why tf wouldn’t I want to pressure him? What exactly are you suggesting I roll with? I don’t like TGP’s reason for voting Ram and you think I should just be okay with it for not making sense?

Idk what you're really talking about to be fair. I just don't think TGP should be getting that much focus right now when there are far scummier slots.

[Flavor Leaf]

A la, scum!ABR hiding behind Flavour Leaf's god awful takes on the game back in Large 230.

I had 2 out of 3 scum there, and scum was triple hyena'ing me.

That game proved scum loses if they misfade me like that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Nancy
Very cut-throat version of what we went over on why TGP being town is this:

- Voting Nancy is anti-survivalistic
- Trying to get Ramcius/Status to stop drowning the thread with the same arguments for pages is pro-town, it was making harder for relevant content to be produced
- TGP has a fair sense of originality on his takes, and also didn't want to be part on Zor, mindmelding with me in the fact that Ceph opinions part of Zor post had good points

But you voted Zor?

A) So I should tr a player for making a silly vote on me?

B) Scum!Titus did that with town!me and 3P scum!chk in Boon uPick.

C) Link/quote that post for me where he said that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

A la, scum!ABR hiding behind Flavour Leaf's god awful takes on the game back in Large 230.

I had 2 out of 3 scum there, and scum was triple hyena'ing me.

That game proved scum loses if they misfade me like that.

You had 1/3, the rest were obvtown, and then you fought against a wagon on scum that was already well on the way. You were really just white knighting scum and wanting us to eliminate first in Nero Cain and me. When you were only right about Gamma.
But whatever.

Your subpar play as town in these game is giving you a lot more leeway than you think. If i didn't know how awful your play can be i would likely be thunderdoming you right now for constantly shading me and creating this meme wagon.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If town!FL Ramcius could very much be scum here.

Why? Didn’t you just say TGP does things that make no sense, so why would you sheep him then?

[NorwegianboyEE]

C) Link/quote that post for me where he said that.

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