NoIn post 123, Klick wrote:Momrangal congrats on making two posts that convinced me you were softing Seer was that intentional?
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It seems this way to me, yes. Maybe if I had opened faster with the big survey start it would have enabled us to overcome the playstyle clash before it was too late.In post 119, Klick wrote:I think this was an unfortunate clash of playstyles on town's part and not really any individual's fault. Don't feel too bad.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I wonder if it would have helped get town on the same page in a way that completely changed the outcome of this game.In post 126, Momrangal wrote:I thought froggie killed me so he wouldn't have anyone on his back about OCEAN
I was working on improving the questions when something happened IRL which was why I didn't post it. When I came back to the thread it was already in D2.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I clearly misplayed hereIn post 106, Frogsterking wrote:
No you actually mis played heavily.In post 102, Finral wrote:to be fair, I trapped him with my "He's just gonna claim Seer" trick.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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Nice.In post 113, Kop wrote:I played it all wrong, I was the seer and had a guilty on Finral
I tried to ride Finral and hoped that possibly his partner would have jumped on, and then pushed for Finral to eat rope, and survive the next night giving us a better chance of winning the game, as I would have either found the second scum, or got an inno. In normal circumstances I would have came out with the counter claim had we had a doctor, or some sort of blocking feature. Sorry guys/girl.
Yeah, it was either you or Frog, so I just pigeonholed you into it.
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I've played this setup so many times in face to face, when you see the scum PT, we called out exactly how this day would play.In post 120, Frogsterking wrote:I think Finral does get executed in most game states there.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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To be fair, I knew exactly what I had to do to get Amelie to vote in an area I wanted her to. It was just unfortunate that nobody knew that my alt was outed, because if she knew that was me, I don't think it'd have worked.
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it was only a misplay on a mechanical level, not a sociological level.In post 131, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I clearly misplayed hereIn post 106, Frogsterking wrote:
No you actually mis played heavily.In post 102, Finral wrote:to be fair, I trapped him with my "He's just gonna claim Seer" trick.
I also knew I had the support of Klick who trusts me as a player, and then you spewed yourself scum afterwards by speaking.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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But actually, can we talk about this legendary quick hammer without intent followed by the guilty claim, both on Page 2.
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Face to face is easy to control the game state because players are not good and you can persuade them more easily with body language, so that's not a sign to me that you chose a line of play that is superior.In post 133, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I've played this setup so many times in face to face, when you see the scum PT, we called out exactly how this day would play.In post 120, Frogsterking wrote:I think Finral does get executed in most game states there.
I've played this game state out many times in a different format (livechat, which this game felt similar to) and your chosen line of play has a negative expected value and relies on your ability to correctly identify the remaining PR which you did not do.
If this is true and you had Amelie as a mark since N1 then I think the play was strong. It reminds me of a LAG player from texas hold em.In post 134, Flavor Leaf wrote:To be fair, I knew exactly what I had to do to get Amelie to vote in an area I wanted her to. It was just unfortunate that nobody knew that my alt was outed, because if she knew that was me, I don't think it'd have worked.
So don't feel bad, Amelie, I kind of played the setup specifically to get you to vote one of them.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I can +1 on the mechanical misplay vs sociological, like I said, if indeed you had Amelie as a mark from N1 then it reminds me of a LAG move.In post 135, Flavor Leaf wrote:
it was only a misplay on a mechanical level, not a sociological level.In post 131, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I clearly misplayed hereIn post 106, Frogsterking wrote:
No you actually mis played heavily.In post 102, Finral wrote:to be fair, I trapped him with my "He's just gonna claim Seer" trick.
I also knew I had the support of Klick who trusts me as a player, and then you spewed yourself scum afterwards by speaking.
As for the second comment about my play I can only agree with if by scum spewing you meant to say obv towning.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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you definitely did not obv town to Amelie, and you allowed momentum to turn on you.
You went super attack mode without having reasons.
Your gut read on me was correct, you knew I was scum.
Doesn't matter if you can't get me faded.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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Nah.In post 140, Momrangal wrote:You... Did spew yourself as scum d2 frogBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Well, this is like the third time in a few months I've won essentially the same way, soIn post 138, Frogsterking wrote:Face to face is easy to control the game state because players are not good and you can persuade them more easily with body language, so that's not a sign to me that you chose a line of play that is superior.
it's not always better to do the "best play"
me making what you perceive as a mistake is why I became townier to Amelie.
I just knew how to get Amelie to vote the direction I wanted, and then I trapped you, and you came out super aggressively, something I already knew you would do, especially if I egged you on the way I did.CHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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well, I almost faded a mason recently as scum too, so obv town isn't enough to protect yourself from meIn post 142, Frogsterking wrote:
Nah.In post 140, Momrangal wrote:You... Did spew yourself as scum d2 frogCHECK OUT MY HOW TO PLAY AS SCUM GUIDE Maybe it'll help you catch me
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In post 141, Flavor Leaf wrote:you definitely did not obv town to Amelie, and you allowed momentum to turn on you.
You went super attack mode without having reasons.
Your gut read on me was correct, you knew I was scum.
Doesn't matter if you can't get me faded.
Don't take it personally, but considering you consider yourself a master manipulator, there's only so far I'm willing to believe what you say. I believe master manipulators start by manipulating themselves first and foremost. If it makes you feel any better, I did take something away from the game, about controlling tempo, and as long as you genuinely had Amelie as a mark, I believe you made a good choice going against the mechanics. Only you can know if you really had Amelie as a mark, or if it's necessary for you to believe that in order to maintain your ability to manipulate.In post 144, Flavor Leaf wrote:
Well, this is like the third time in a few months I've won essentially the same way, soIn post 138, Frogsterking wrote:Face to face is easy to control the game state because players are not good and you can persuade them more easily with body language, so that's not a sign to me that you chose a line of play that is superior.
it's not always better to do the "best play"
me making what you perceive as a mistake is why I became townier to Amelie.
I just knew how to get Amelie to vote the direction I wanted, and then I trapped you, and you came out super aggressively, something I already knew you would do, especially if I egged you on the way I did.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I mean, once scum PT opens up, you can see it for yourself to believe that I expected Amelie to vote one of you or kop specifically.
This would not have been a victory had I not done that.
Just because the play itself doesn't make "mechanical sense" is why it's not pushed as scum behavior.
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Mafia has more to do with it than straight mechanics, and I'll take a sociological play over a mechanical one any day.
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My push on Kop nullified his guilty (which I also called out in PT that I would have been the guilty) and I took the leap that Amelie wasn't the Seer, meaning I was setting a Kop/Frogster scum team setup immediately, and even the dead player thought it was you, so obviously did something right,"Let it be known that almost everything Boonskiies said is either hilarious or annoying." - Shinobi
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