I wasn't saying "no one believes Titus is LLD's scumpartner," but rather "there is no compelling case for Titus being LLD's scumpartner"In post 1671, Almost50 wrote:I mean, mastina is the one pushing LLD the most (followed by DGB) and she has Titus as her second strongest SR (at least that was the case when I posted that). Now what am I missing?
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:shrug:In post 1674, Dunnstral wrote:I'm going to need an explanation for these.
Dann and hopkirk suddenly casing me as scum is very conveniently timed.
Dann asserting that I am on the sidelines for lld/hercule is incorrect.
Again, saying I'm fencesitty is wrong
some parts of that case felt good
some of them i'll grant might not be
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Also I haven't really deflected away from lld because I'm not 100% that she's town over scum trying to pocket me
But me asking for someone to explain why lld is being pushed is a big deal because there is very little reason why lld is being pushed
That's not the case for hercule, which could be explained, and can still go either way
LLD can go either way but there's no explanation for why she's scum here, and me asking for explanations is seen as defending her-
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Are you going to take their word for it or look for yourself?In post 1676, Cephrir wrote:i'll confess to finding the meta argument interesting
Do you think I haven't been insightful and explain-y in my reads this game?-
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Which parts?In post 1676, Cephrir wrote:some parts of that case felt good-
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I'm not calling you scum, I said you lean towards scum because some of your thoughts feel fabricatedIn post 1618, Hopkirk wrote:++scum
Dunn has played plenty of games with me. he's calling me scum based on specifically one of many thoughts in a catchup. he should know that that's me putting my thought process and what i'm considering on paper and he's acting like i'm 100% on reads based on one specifically chosen comment from my catchup. that's taking a specific chosen point and overly focusing on it when it's not representative of the whole, and he should know that
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This is a good post, but you lose me when you go to voting lldIn post 1636, Hopkirk wrote:dann/ceph were both pushing hercule
then ceph jumped on A50s shitpush of me and Dann joined in with a naked vote that he later explained buried in an iso as basically 'i don't have as many townvibes as i want' which doesn't gel with the timing of the vote being with the A50/me conflict that he didn't comment on specifically
now they're both pushing Dunn with cases that came as basically the same time
both of their votes/pushes on me were the worst ones. oka/agar are in a similar state of their agreement with those pushes being bad
this feels like trying to save a partner
VOTE: LLD
Is lld the one doing something scummy here? no, and there's no reason to think they're specifically protecting lld other than her being wagoned right now (which there's also no explanation for)
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i'm not very good at meta and auro is a more analytical type of player which might be a good approach to this game in particular given that my approach is not really working so far, so i was planning to take their word for it yesIn post 1678, Dunnstral wrote:
Are you going to take their word for it or look for yourself?In post 1676, Cephrir wrote:i'll confess to finding the meta argument interesting
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yeah this is my sentiment basicallyIn post 1676, Cephrir wrote:
:shrug:In post 1674, Dunnstral wrote:I'm going to need an explanation for these.
Dann and hopkirk suddenly casing me as scum is very conveniently timed.
Dann asserting that I am on the sidelines for lld/hercule is incorrect.
Again, saying I'm fencesitty is wrong
some parts of that case felt good
some of them i'll grant might not be
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oh look this tooIn post 1683, Cephrir wrote:
i'm not very good at meta and auro is a more analytical type of player which might be a good approach to this game in particular given that my approach is not really working so far, so i was planning to take their word for it yesIn post 1678, Dunnstral wrote:
Are you going to take their word for it or look for yourself?In post 1676, Cephrir wrote:i'll confess to finding the meta argument interesting
Do you think I haven't been insightful and explain-y in my reads this game?
but i will take a look at some point if this wagon gets more serious, i just don't expect to be very good at it either-
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I'm not asking you to use meta
I'm asking you to look at my posts and answer this:
Meta would be if I'm asking you to compare it to my scum/town game. I'm not doing that. You can do this exercise by reading only t his game.In post 1678, Dunnstral wrote:Do you think I haven't been insightful and explain-y in my reads this game?-
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I wasn't talking about waffling, I was talking about whether I was being insightful/explaining my reads; stop deflecting.In post 1685, Cephrir wrote:i liked the points about 1055 and 1572
i don't really care whether or not you've been waffling
If you don't want to do this, just say you're too lazy to, that's a valid answer. What do you dislike about my posts 1055 and 1572?-
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Cephrir is demonstrably wrong at this point so pointing to him and saying "yeah this too" isn't helpfulIn post 1686, innocentvillager wrote:
oh look this tooIn post 1683, Cephrir wrote:
i'm not very good at meta and auro is a more analytical type of player which might be a good approach to this game in particular given that my approach is not really working so far, so i was planning to take their word for it yesIn post 1678, Dunnstral wrote:
Are you going to take their word for it or look for yourself?In post 1676, Cephrir wrote:i'll confess to finding the meta argument interesting
Do you think I haven't been insightful and explain-y in my reads this game?
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i'll do this laterIn post 1687, Dunnstral wrote:I'm not asking you to use meta
I'm asking you to look at my posts and answer this:
Meta would be if I'm asking you to compare it to my scum/town game. I'm not doing that. You can do this exercise by reading only t his game.In post 1678, Dunnstral wrote:Do you think I haven't been insightful and explain-y in my reads this game?"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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???In post 1688, Dunnstral wrote:
I wasn't talking about waffling, I was talking about whether I was being insightful/explaining my reads; stop deflecting.In post 1685, Cephrir wrote:i liked the points about 1055 and 1572
i don't really care whether or not you've been waffling
If you don't want to do this, just say you're too lazy to, that's a valid answer. What do you dislike about my posts 1055 and 1572?
i was giving an example of part of the case that i didn't really care about, and you spent some time defending yourself from the accusation that you were waffling, so i'm noting that that means nothing to me since i don't think waffling is necessarily a scum trait
i am agreeing with what xtoxm said about your posts 1055 and 1572"I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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I didn't exactly say that, but I do think they're town and they're wrongIn post 1692, Cephrir wrote:i mean i guess you're not disputing xtoxm is town so your point is that he can't read i guess?
sure i should probably check but that seems extreme
I'm not trying to make 'a point' about xtoxm right now, I'm trying to understand some of the people who voted without really taking it in-
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You agree with this?In post 1593, Xtoxm wrote:shit vote on hercule. he said he's happy for this to go all the way to an eliminate. but he can see it going either way.
yet, for someone expressing such a nonchalant and uncaring attitude, he sure is hard opposed to applying the same logic to another player many of us scumread.
I explained how lld is different. There are noreasonsfor her to be scum that was given. Me acknowledging that she can scum is me saying 'yeah, she's a pretty good player and I can't fully trust her right now with no flips'. For Hercule, there is a case laid out and points made about how he could be playing to a scum agenda. It's not the same thing.-
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it was odd to place a vote on that pretty dangerous wagon if you felt lukewarm about itIn post 1694, Dunnstral wrote:
You agree with this?In post 1593, Xtoxm wrote:shit vote on hercule. he said he's happy for this to go all the way to an eliminate. but he can see it going either way.
yet, for someone expressing such a nonchalant and uncaring attitude, he sure is hard opposed to applying the same logic to another player many of us scumread.
I explained how lld is different. There are noreasonsfor her to be scum that was given. Me acknowledging that she can scum is me saying 'yeah, she's a pretty good player and I can't fully trust her right now with no flips'. For Hercule, there is a case laid out and points made about how he could be playing to a scum agenda. It's not the same thing."I would prefer not to." --Herman Melville,Bartleby the Scrivener-
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This probably the best argument for Scum!LLD I have seen so far. It's not aIn post 1494, DrippingGoofball wrote:Ceph, wagoning LLD has been like pulling teeth, her buddies are NOT bus'ing. We townies will have to do it without scum's help.perfectargument (because sometimes Scum try to avoid the prevailing wagon to saw confusion when the eliminated flips Town. Some of us will want to eliminate ON the wagon and some off it, but the popular argument would always be "Scummustgave been on it", so 0-1 Scum on a Town flip on D1 increases the Scum win probability by like 50%). However, I can guarantee Scum are reluctant to bus LLD is she is on the red side.
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I don't have a hard stance of being opposed to the lld wagon.In post 1593, Xtoxm wrote:for someone who has taken a hard stance of being opposed to the lld wagon, why has it taken so long to ask this question?
I am explicitly not defending her, I'masking a question to try to understand what is going on. The question isstill unansweredand people are shading me for asking it-
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This is the same stance I had for xtoxm in the last gameIn post 1696, Cephrir wrote:
it was odd to place a vote on that pretty dangerous wagon if you felt lukewarm about itIn post 1694, Dunnstral wrote:
You agree with this?In post 1593, Xtoxm wrote:shit vote on hercule. he said he's happy for this to go all the way to an eliminate. but he can see it going either way.
yet, for someone expressing such a nonchalant and uncaring attitude, he sure is hard opposed to applying the same logic to another player many of us scumread.
I explained how lld is different. There are noreasonsfor her to be scum that was given. Me acknowledging that she can scum is me saying 'yeah, she's a pretty good player and I can't fully trust her right now with no flips'. For Hercule, there is a case laid out and points made about how he could be playing to a scum agenda. It's not the same thing.
It's not lukewarm; there are reasons that they can be scum, so I'm fine pushing it
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