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[Flavor Leaf]

Wouldn't town!Pine be a LOT more cautious enabling what could potentially be scum!you from his perspective?

Not everybody's as god damn afraid and thinks im completely a wildcard of me like you and Norwegian. Pine's known me longer.

Krazy would be laughing at each and everyone one of you because he would see exactly how obvious town I am here.

Just like Tenet.

I called out 5/6 scum team on Day 1, and they went all over me, and I self destructed and got faded.

Scum went on to sweep.

I am always right when I am misfaded early in the game.

Norwegian surface level pushed me in another game too, when I had 2/3 scum team called Day 1, and they were hyena'ing me.

[Flavor Leaf]

you're not gonna be happy with anything i fucking say, so stop fucking acting like you give a fuck


sure, it could, i just don't think it is. you're just looking for reasons.

one day you will realize i am genuinely attempting to sort you

if poking the bear is what it takes, then so be it

i dont give a shit if you're trying to eat a candy bar.

if i was a day vig, you'd be shot right now

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pine has zero reason to defend me the way they have.

If they are scum and you are town, it makes sense for them to defend you because we would both be town. Somehow you ignore this possibility.

Pine has no reason to give me the sheer amount of momentum he would have given me if he is scum here.

Yes he does.

If he is scum, he's going for a deep pocket, and I truly don't think he goes that route against me. Like I just don't see it.

Why is that? You think you are immune to pockets, or that players like Pine wouldn't attempt to pocket you?

Just because you don't like this reasoning does not make it a bad reason, and frankly, that doesn't mean I'm not just right here.

If you openly admit you could be wrong, it's not as strong of a townread as you make it out to be. Pine could definitely be scum.

Could I be wrong? Sure, he's not like a 100% no way he's ever scum here, I see the possibility of a pocket, I just actively don't think he is doing that.

Again, why?

There is no reason to defend me here either the way he is, I guess if I die, then he gets less protected, but Status has been actively pushing Akarin, and Ico has been going for DEB, and somebody called out TGP's timing being bad when they voted me, so there were plenty of options, and Pine hasn't taken advantage of any of those in favor of defending me, and sheeping me on the person I think is most likely scum.

There is a reason to defend you as it is helpful to scum if we are both town to waste pages on this 1v1 while they can hide behind more powerful players.
Perhaps those 'options' are scum or they weren't as interesting targets. Either way i'm looking at things as they currently are and Pine's push on me seems very opportunistic and a good way to get rid of me. If you know anything about mafia you know that scum tend to sheep 1v1's.

Ico has also given shit reasonings for town reading Norwegian, yet they're hounding me over and over and over and over and over, and I've given the same fucking reasons multiple times

I don't think it's strange to townread me here, and it's also not strange to find you scummy for your play. If you're town and act like it's outrageous that anyone would scumread you for giving bad townreads to possible scum and also blatantly pushing a slot they find town then the problem lies on you as well.

[Flavor Leaf]

you're not gonna be happy with anything i fucking say, so stop fucking acting like you give a fuck


sure, it could, i just don't think it is. you're just looking for reasons.

that's not true, i would indeed give a lot of fucks for some 'normal' content on your behalf

your fault for assuming

this is normal content

i play off vibes and actions, i dont give a shit about meta if it's not self meta. i care about true familiarity.

[Pine]

“Opportunistic” = pushing a scumread I’ve had since my first substantive post. Huh.

[Flavor Leaf]

norwegian, dont fucking ask me to back off from you, then go and post walls like that, I'm not reading that

[Thestatusquo]

Pine has no reason to give me the sheer amount of momentum he would have given me if he is scum here.

this could go in reverse as well, no?

Wouldn't town!Pine be a LOT more cautious enabling what could potentially be scum!you from his perspective? a wrong townread could destroy the game from their perspective then

The difference I think is one of those players is making a calculated decision based on full information and the other is trying to sort a slot organically by trying to determine alignment.

Like I don't think town makes "strategic" town reads in this fashion a lot. I don't.

[Flavor Leaf]

ive done more content than anyone in this game, people just too surface level to realize it

[Thestatusquo]

Am I really talking myself into a fucking pine town read?

[NorwegianboyEE]

norwegian, dont fucking ask me to back off from you, then go and post walls like that, I'm not reading that

And you wonder why Ico wants to policy you.

[Iconeum]

Pine has no reason to give me the sheer amount of momentum he would have given me if he is scum here.

this could go in reverse as well, no?

Wouldn't town!Pine be a LOT more cautious enabling what could potentially be scum!you from his perspective? a wrong townread could destroy the game from their perspective then

The difference I think is one of those players is making a calculated decision based on full information and the other is trying to sort a slot organically by trying to determine alignment.

and which, do you think, is which?

[Flavor Leaf]

norwegian, dont fucking ask me to back off from you, then go and post walls like that, I'm not reading that

And you wonder why Ico wants to policy you.

nah, he's an ignorant oversensitive surface level player like you, i know the reasons he wants to policy.

[Pine]

you're not gonna be happy with anything i fucking say, so stop fucking acting like you give a fuck


sure, it could, i just don't think it is. you're just looking for reasons.

that's not true, i would indeed give a lot of fucks for some 'normal' content on your behalf

your fault for assuming

this is normal content

i play off vibes and actions, i dont give a shit about meta if it's not self meta. i care about true familiarity.

Kids these days think meta is a thing you obtain by skimming one or two games. You’ve gotta walk a mile in a guy’s shoes first.

Known you for years and I can only sometimes get a vibe off of you. That’s why I picked out that one post early on as proof positive. “Link me a scum game of yours,” honestly. You’ve gotta

play

those games to actually get it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Am I really talking myself into a fucking pine town read?

He's obv town, so you should.

He's a scumfuck as town, sure, but scumfuck Pine is town Pine.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Flavour. I've been trying to solve your slot all this time, it's you that refuse to co-operate.

[Thestatusquo]

Pine has no reason to give me the sheer amount of momentum he would have given me if he is scum here.

this could go in reverse as well, no?

Wouldn't town!Pine be a LOT more cautious enabling what could potentially be scum!you from his perspective? a wrong townread could destroy the game from their perspective then

The difference I think is one of those players is making a calculated decision based on full information and the other is trying to sort a slot organically by trying to determine alignment.

and which, do you think, is which?

I'm saying what I just said in my last post. I don't think town frequently consciously asks themselves "what is the strategic impact of town reading X player here" when they're sorting a slot, whereas I think scum asks themselves that question a lot. So I think that the counter possibility you raise isn't nearly as likely as what Flavor is saying here.

[Iconeum]

you're not gonna be happy with anything i fucking say, so stop fucking acting like you give a fuck


sure, it could, i just don't think it is. you're just looking for reasons.

one day you will realize i am genuinely attempting to sort you

if poking the bear is what it takes, then so be it

for someone who asked me to stop engaging with you, you certainly seem to be baiting me bigtime here

which means you don't want me to back off and actually fight you?

sure

i dont give a shit if you're trying to eat a candy bar.

if i was a day vig, you'd be shot right now

[Iconeum]

oops

[Pine]

Am I really talking myself into a fucking pine town read?

[NorwegianboyEE]

That image suits your alignment well.

[Flavor Leaf]

you're not gonna be happy with anything i fucking say, so stop fucking acting like you give a fuck


sure, it could, i just don't think it is. you're just looking for reasons.

that's not true, i would indeed give a lot of fucks for some 'normal' content on your behalf

your fault for assuming

this is normal content

i play off vibes and actions, i dont give a shit about meta if it's not self meta. i care about true familiarity.

Kids these days think meta is a thing you obtain by skimming one or two games. You’ve gotta walk a mile in a guy’s shoes first.

Known you for years and I can only sometimes get a vibe off of you. That’s why I picked out that one post early on as proof positive. “Link me a scum game of yours,” honestly. You’ve gotta

play

those games to actually get it.

I couldn't explain what PineScum is like, but I could sure as well feel it if you were scum here more than I feel I am.

I'm heated, and my posts my seem over the top, but I just swear when I'm irritated, it's half happy half aggressive, which is just mafia.

[Flavor Leaf]

for someone who asked me to stop engaging with you, you certainly seem to be baiting me bigtime here

which means you don't want me to back off and actually fight you?

sure

yup.

I will bait you, and expect you to back off.

That's how it works, kid

[Iconeum]

Pine has no reason to give me the sheer amount of momentum he would have given me if he is scum here.

this could go in reverse as well, no?

Wouldn't town!Pine be a LOT more cautious enabling what could potentially be scum!you from his perspective? a wrong townread could destroy the game from their perspective then

The difference I think is one of those players is making a calculated decision based on full information and the other is trying to sort a slot organically by trying to determine alignment.

Like I don't think town makes "strategic" town reads in this fashion a lot. I don't.

ah i see

[NorwegianboyEE]

@FL
If i could mod reveal myself town right now. Would you still townread Pine?

[Iconeum]

Am I really talking myself into a fucking pine town read?