Mini Normal 2193 | A Member Of The SKs | Town Wins!

[Funeral Goose]

I mean that more like we shouldn't let scum stay around just because they are having fun. Everyone should have fun playing the game.

[lendunistus]

Mini Normal 2193 Official Vote Count 1.10

ItalianoVD

(3): Gretchen, Ydrasse, In the beginning

Lunar Martian

(2): Cookie Monster, Happy Unbirthday Boon

Gretchen

(2): Funeral Goose, ItalianoVD

In the beginning

(1): Battle Mage

Cookie Monster

(1): esotericzoomer

Funeral Goose

(1): Gamma Emerald

Not Voting

(2): Lunar Martian, samantha97

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-02-14 17:00:00)

[samantha97]

VOTE: lunar martian

[Gretchen]

Yeah I don't really mind if Gretchen flips scum lol

For a second I was confused because I couldn't even remember for a moment who you were pushing. Do you think Gretchen is scum like trying to destabilize townblock or what do you think of her recent play? Given how inspired you seem about the push you don't seem to be pushing it all that hard?

The inconsistencies and one-sidedness in their push on me. This is not a knock on whatever level of experience they have. Since Gret has stated she wasn't aware of RVSing then I do not take the push as light-hearted fun. They wanted to push me and "forced" some reasons that contradicted other posts.

For example, the Gret says low-posters are more likely scum, though at the time I was the highest poster.

The role PM "green" thing. Role PM colors had already been discussed but Gret's timing of it just felt WAAAAAY forced. IIRC, this might be the only thing Gret kinda walked back. Which is weird because I think she felt like she messed up there. Town Gret wouldn't care, probably would have checked the role PM for the color before posting.

Gret said I was scum for voting someone before they posted. My vote was the first player post of the game, yet Gret had no problems with any other naked vote on non-active players at the beginning of the game.

In short, Gret wanted to get on my wagon since it already had a few votes and just tried to justify it with weak and contridictory reasons.

i don't think you're maf bc i think italiano is. forgive me for reading you incorrectly and let's move past this?

[Gretchen]

I mean that more like we shouldn't let scum stay around just because they are having fun. Everyone should have fun playing the game.

i'm town having fun, i promise you!

[Gretchen]

hub. i'm surprised i've slipped further down for you after recent posting, why's that? italiano is fairly obv maf

[Gretchen]

i wasn't surprised at the vote itself, it's like the reasons you gave with em which are dodgy. like, you don't even find the post maf yourself, but others think it's maf so you wanna vote there. and then in a later post you're saying you're voting for what you think is not-town. so. what is it? sounds like an excuse for you to set up a wagon on me when i'm town while denying all responsibility for it, bc technically

you're

not the one that thought i was maf, you were just voting based on what other people said. the more i talk about it the more i think it's really bad

you didn't reply to this italiano

[Gretchen]

Funeral:
green equals town in my head, i seriously wasn't thinking of the color
i was never confident you were maf. early on you just go on whatever little things or info you have, so i voted you bc it was the only thing i could find. don't take it too personally please and put aside any emotional bias. italiano is maf taking advantage of your vote on me to vote alongside you and don't let me become a counterwagon to you and have the day be town vs town when we have ITALIANO as an obv maf sitting here. i believe in you my goose. let's be friends?
i think you're town bc i don't think italiano follows your vote to vote me and have 2 maf be the first two voters on a counterwagon to maf. looks really bad later

[Gretchen]

oh wait the goose wagon doesn't even exist anymore lmao. uh besides the point, basically, just want us to be friends and for you to help me out on italiano <3

[Ydrasse]

what’s with the lunar wagon?

[Ydrasse]

i’m starting to think italiano is genuine this game from his efforts to explain but the vc makes me ...?

UNVOTE:

[Gretchen]

noooooooooooooooooooooo

[esotericzoomer]

what’s with the lunar wagon?

dunno
tempted to hop on it because it's the purest looking one out of all of them but i'd rather give lunar some time

[esotericzoomer]

VOTE: Lunar Martian

[Ydrasse]

so uh

giving lunar time huh?

[Gretchen]

where do you find italiano genuine Ydrasse? him not understanding bearded or being confused about alts will be genuine regardless of whether he's maf or town! but the way he's hunting for maf is not

[esotericzoomer]

so uh

giving lunar time huh?

i gave into temptation

[Gretchen]

which was very townie

[esotericzoomer]

which was very townie

debatable

[esotericzoomer]

oh that was sarcasm
dur

[Gretchen]

slightly townie? i think town can change their mind like that on a whim more than maf fake it

[Ydrasse]

there are two wolves inside of me

one thinks italiano is trying to establish connections with people he thinks have more sway in the town currently/are better to have on his side while trying to set himself up tactfully to push on those who don’t

the other thinks he’s genuinely trying to solve and is just under a lot of scrutiny and a little defensive/combative because he’s exasperated

[ItalianoVD]

@Samantha: who claimed tracker. I didn’t see that at all.

This post is off because Italian seems rather intent on playing ignorant here when he ought to know exactly what samantha was referring to. (Like, I could understand missing it on an initial pass, but surely Italiano would take the time to look back when someone mentions it rather than just pretend it never happened.)

I'm not gonna keep saying this over and over, so quote it and bold it. Regardless of the way YOU view page 9, I view it my way. As I've stated multiple times already it felt very cliquish and because everyone seemed to know everyone, I felt like an outsider looking in. I'm extremely frustrated because you're scumreading me for giving my thoughts, what's on my mind and for how I felt at the time. If you are gonna refuse to at least try to see it from my point of view then you are mafia trying to get a mislynch and using my frustration, uncertainty against me.

when it's that obvious it stops being a crumb

What if I'm trying to use reverse psychology?

So you were encouraging people to believe you were something that you were not because of...? Why the misdirection and dishonesty? This is anti-town

So it looks like I’m out of my league here. Page 9 was about alternates. I don’t have a clue. How many alternates are there? Is everyone?

This is also really out of place. Maybe 15% of the content on that page dealt with alts. How come then is that what Italiano gets out of the page?

I refer you to the above comment.

I also think you should be voting italiano since that is a much more realistic and much likely better cw to yourself than gretchen

According to you right? Fmpov you’re wrong.

Empty comment that just fills up space.

So defending yourself is empty? If that's your basis for voting me than you're being extremely disingenuous when everyone has defended themselves in this game. You singling me out makes me extremely suspicious. And yes, that's what I was doing. I was letting Hub know that directing a wagon onto me is/was wrong because I am not scum.

Anyone else have kinda non-town thoughts about Sam?

Eh not really. What they did was anti-town, not really scum indicative.

I wouldn't hard veto a wagon there, but I wouldn't join it either.

Personally I think anti-town and scummy are pretty much interchangeable, but that's me. That's weak (bolded)

[Ydrasse]

i could go for lunar but i don’t have a strong read there. looked over the few amount of posts and the wagon seems like... path of least resistance to get elimmed given the lack of content

or scum is bussing. but eh? it just doesn’t feel useful when lunar is scarcely here

[Ydrasse]

eeeeeeeegh

italiano, what are your reads/direct me to if you’ve made a list?