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[Sirius9121]

Since I didn't say this explicitly: if we're eliminating Maduisha, Fuzzy should be checking Sam. I think that's actually the only useful target since clidd was neighborized, though I'm not 100% sure how that works.

@mod: how would a player who started as VT but later got neighborized investigate to a Neapolitan?

What is VC now? At this point I agree with clidd, just eliminate one of the two.

pedit

That's actually a good point about Nep.

Vanilla.

[Sirius9121]

Official Vote Count

Maduisha

(3): samantha97, Maduisha, clidd

Not Voting

(4): maxwell, TheFuzzylogic99, Umlaut, Cabd

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-02-06 11:08:00)

[Umlaut]

@mod: how would a player who started as VT but later got neighborized investigate to a Neapolitan?

Vanilla.

Oh.

Well, I still think clidd is a bad investigation choice, but that's good to know.

Should I hammer?

[Cabd]

I will hammer only out of need to avoid nolim. I think fairly strongly that this flips town.

[maxwell]

Okay. Sorry if I've erred in my read.

Wouldn't endorse a clidd check either, a universal clear is nice but suspect night actions resolve it.

[clidd]

Alright.

Sam, Fuzzy and Cabd know what to do tonight.

Even so, it's better if someone do the hammer closer to deadline, so we'll have time to talk more.

[maxwell]

I want to reread one more time before the hammer.

[clidd]

After a reread, I still saw Nep as towny (erratically), so Sam should be town too in theory.

[clidd]

I just went through all of chumbo's mafia games, then compared 2 of maduisha's (town/mafia), and 2 of cabd's (town games - not mafia for years?) to this one

chumbo gave me nothing

viewtopic.php?p=12524008&user_select%5B%5D=35093 this game
viewtopic.php?p=12449995&user_select%5B%5D=35093 mason
viewtopic.php?p=12381275&user_select%5B%5D=35093 mafia


maduisha's were surprisingly similar, the main thing I noticed was that she was aggressive a lottt faster as town, and with mafia her tone visibly shifted. I also noticed a tendency to post too much information compared to town, like not a "slip" but rather trying too hard

viewtopic.php?p=12524333&user_select%5B%5D=33961 this game
viewtopic.php?f=50&t=82949&user_select%5B%5D=33961 mafia
viewtopic.php?p=12469439&user_select%5B%5D=33961 town


I was planning to keep going down the list of players before posting anything, but holy heck is cabd posting differently in this game. I mean I get that they are games of different sizes with different players, and that can affect what you write a lot, but it's like night and day

viewtopic.php?p=12569559&user_select%5B%5D=20847 this game
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=84949&user_select%5B%5D=20847 town 1
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85085&user_select%5B%5D=20847 town 2

it's so stark that it's noticeable even if you don't read what he wrote and just scroll down the pages quickly

Although this pinged me as a false attempt to solve ^

But, comparatively, my impression of Nep being town is prob stronger, so I'm going to ignore it for now.

[samantha97]

I know you're still saying you think I'm town but it bugs me regardless so I wanna say this: no mafia is gonna fake #777

when I joined I roleclaimed without even reading any current pages; I had only read page 1-7 and skipped to zulfy's death. I didn't even know what the nk was. I had bendover in my notes as something like "one foot out the door", since he seemed to be noncommittal and playing both sides, but I deleted it when I read up to page 2

to expand on dkkoba being ":3", like I said before, I already am pretty familiar with dkkoba so that was just an intent to search for their use of :3 and see if that was indicative of anything. But it turned out impossible to search that on this site since it was too few characters, and google just turns up with "3" and ignores the colon

[samantha97]

day 2* not page 2

[maxwell]

I know you're still saying you think I'm town but it bugs me regardless so I wanna say this: no mafia is gonna fake #777

when I joined I roleclaimed without even reading any current pages; I had only read page 1-7 and skipped to zulfy's death. I didn't even know what the nk was. I had bendover in my notes as something like "one foot out the door", since he seemed to be noncommittal and playing both sides, but I deleted it when I read up to page 2

to expand on dkkoba being ":3", like I said before, I already am pretty familiar with dkkoba so that was just an intent to search for their use of :3 and see if that was indicative of anything. But it turned out impossible to search that on this site since it was too few characters, and google just turns up with "3" and ignores the colon

I don't understand what about that is un-fakeable? Were those your notes on the first 7 pages?

[samantha97]

I don't think I started taking notes until after I joined

the reason why I only read seven pages to begin with was because I wasn't sure if someone else had already replaced in (it had been hours)

[maxwell]

Okay, why is #777 supposed to be something mafia won't fake?

[samantha97]

because mafia wouldn't even think to do that? heck, even I didn't think to post them as town until I noticed it was still open in notepad

[maxwell]

I'm sorry but I really don't understand what you're trying to argue here. I also don't understand why the notes don't correspond to the players you posted links on.. Why were the ones you had notes on not your priority?

[samantha97]

I already answered that before, but it was just scrolling down page 1 and going in order of posts there, then I refreshed the current page out of curiosity and decided to do cabd next

that's why chumbo was first

[maxwell]

My reread took me to the opposite conclusion as clidd - on looking back, I don't find nepenthe or samantha towny at all and my reasons for thinking so weren't very good. I've got a hunch that I'm wrong here.

I'm waffling a lot for sure but would appreciate it if Maduisha would unvote here.

[samantha97]

I'm starting to wonder if it's maxwell+maduisha tbh

maxwell was attacking maduisha but never voted for her, and was always preferring cabd

both of them have convenient claims, with maxwell claiming only after it was apparent he was targeted by fuzzy

then there is his supposed progression from being absolutely certain I'm town to 70% to 50% to voting for me

this question round strikes me as an attempt to flip back to me away from maduisha, especially when I look back and find he was the one who asked about the order of the isos to begin with

and his posts seem all about positioning himself in a good way, e.g.

Spoiler:

I want to reread one more time before the hammer.

Rereading Maduisha's ast post I don't like it as much. This is harder than it has any right to be.

There's always the possibility, but I didn't think she seemed the type, I guess it's something Cabd could have come up with.

UNVOTE:

I worry if I'm wrong and Samantha is scum and I stand in the way of voting her today, it all comes back on me.

maybe it's just paranoia but regardless of today I think you all should take a long hard look at him tomorrow

[maxwell]

Lol, if I was scum with her I would've hammered you when I had the chance

[samantha97]

you still have to survive another day, and you've already claimed to care about how things make you look

[samantha97]

btw the funny part is I wrote that before he pushed to save maduisha

My reread took me to the opposite conclusion as clidd - on looking back, I don't find nepenthe or samantha towny at all and my reasons for thinking so weren't very good. I've got a hunch that I'm wrong here.

I'm waffling a lot for sure but would appreciate it if Maduisha would unvote here.

it feels good being right

[maxwell]

I'm also singularly the reason why she's being considered as scum at all, do you really think I derail a wagon on you to potentially bus into autoloss when my partner is being generally townread? That would be not only rude but incredibly stupid. I don't understand how that's a real thought you could have.

[samantha97]

I've been accused of being mafia from day 1 to the end of the game before by a fellow mafia teammate

I'm not going to say it's a good strategy, but it's not like it's rare

the idea is that if they get one of you they won't get both

[maxwell]

That's blindly ignoring the context of this game and the roles that have been outed, were I scum here, I lose the game if my partner is voted because cabd guilties me tomorrow. Following that, I'd never try to scumcase her at all and certainly would have hammered you when I had the opportunity.