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[Iconeum]

I agree with Nancy town, Norwegian came into Day 2 with a terrible reasoning to town read TGP, especially after VCA

i'm not gonna pretend to be all-knowing, why exactly was norwee townreading TGP?

i'll look it up after my catchup if i remember

[Nancy Drew 39]

I would support a Norwee or TGP push right now. I don’t condone Akarin until we see a Norwee flip or something else changes

Not crazy about this post. I also feel pretty confident about Misty town as well.

we're not agreeing about everything this game, but if you see a potential for TGP/Pine/Akarin team then maybe there is hope :p

The way that Akarin sheeped me on TGP points to them being unaligned. So, I think a TGP scumflip probably clears her. Can you give me your thoughts on Pine?

[Iconeum]

After re-thinking things yesterday with my team i have reasons to believe TGP’s claim is more likely town.
First of all, their play makes more sense as town than scum due to key points from Shirou.
And JJH told me their claim makes sense with their flavour. And setup wise it’s more likely a town claim too.

ugh

[Iconeum]

Can you give me your thoughts on Pine?

i've had scummy scumvibes on Pine for a while, but i'm not 100% sure i expressed them in-game yet

i'll get to it after catchup

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think both Norwee and Misty are town and neither Ico/Shea or any of my teammates support a Norwee wagon, I find the push on Norwee extremely concerning.

yet you hard townread FL?

You’re obviously not caught up yet. I’m mindmelding far more closely with FL on my reads than Norwee. His reads on both TGP and Ram are more or less the converse of mine.

[Iconeum]

zoraster

(7) ~ thestatusquo(194), NorwegianboyEE(190), Mistyx(70),

BBMolla

(80), Nancy Drew 39(316), Iconeum(207), Flavor Leaf(217) -- HAMMER
Akarin(3) ~ Ramcius(63), Pine(25),

zoraster

(26)

BBMolla

(2) ~ TheGoldenParadox(45), Akarin(38)
Ramcius(1) ~ Dr Easy Bake(20)

zoraster

(4) ~ thestatusquo(171), NorwegianboyEE(132), Mistyx(62),

BBMolla

(73)
Akarin(4) ~ Flavor Leaf(173), Ramcius(53), Iconeum(105), Pine(24)

BBMolla

(3) ~ TheGoldenParadox(43),

zoraster

(25), Akarin(23)
TheGoldenParadox(1) ~ Nancy Drew 39(217)
Ramcius(1) ~ Dr Easy Bake(18)

Akarin wagon at it's peak.

VOTE: Akarin

This will be more informative.

then Norwegian immediately tries to avoid VCA with the Zoraster wagon and goes straight to Akarin

ngl, i'm interested in this

[Iconeum]

there's a potential world where scum!norwee has me pocketed, and scum!TGP hooded me and are using me to kill off FL

but then I would expect scum!TGP to be more active towards that in the hood, which isn't the case

[Nancy Drew 39]

So who would you vote for?

As I said, I'm not caught up but most recent pool was (FL, TGP, Pine, Misty, DEB)

That's done just by eliminating townreads on the part of the catchup I already did.

If I had to vote right this second I'd vote Pine based on Day 1, but I'm not going to vote right now.

Why Misty?

What specifically about Pine’s Day 1?

Anyway, I’m 100% trusting Pooky’s read on Norwee > Dann, since Pooky’s actually caught scum!Norwee at least twice I think? And none of my teammates are sus on him, Misty, Ram, Ico or Shea.

i like these reads, even tho i'm not as convinced on ram and misty as you are

feeling much more comfortable working together with Nancy then with FL to be honest

Until you are fully caught up, I will just say, me as well.

[Iconeum]

Yeah, no, I believe 1 lurker flip is enough for now

VOTE: TGP

Why TGP?

@Ramcius

Yeah, no, I believe 1 lurker flip is enough for now

VOTE: TGP

alright, this is the post that makes me believe the earlier fight between TSQ and Ramcius was TvS. Saying "1 lurker flip is enough" attempts to take attention off of people who should have attention on them, and makes it easy to defend people who aren't particularly defensible. i'm not a fan of it at all, and when i've seen it i think it's done far more often from scum trying to take the heat off of their buddies than town genuinely being against flipping lurkers.

VOTE: akarin couple reasons i'm voting akarin instead of ramcius right now - first, a scum flip from her incriminates ramcius far more than vice versa largely because of this post. second, i haven't seen much in the way of town posts from akarin, and i think ramcius will be sorted by other flips eventually in a way that akarin will not because of lack of interactions.

TGP sheeps Norwegian onto Akarin after Ramcius push's Norwegian, and Norwegian questions it, even though they just did VCA which should make TGP at least suspicious.

Norwegian's read on TGP is 100% fabricated.

Norwegian/TGP is a high scum team equity, but it's not set in stone it's both.

It could be Norwegian town, TGP scum sheeping the person to not get more pressure from Ramcius. I wanna check out Ramcius vs Norwegian in a bit because it happens right after this.

Norwegian also actively avoided multiple situations and team groups where the possibility of Norwegian/Akarin/Flavor Leaf all town, something I thought was a decent possibility if I was wrong with Norwegian and Akarin was lhf misfade. I fully believe Akarin is a lhf misfade and should not be faded today. Norwegian is setting up a situation to ignore getting pressure on themselves while still being able to argue with me. Akarin is the town in my bottom pool, meaning one of the others contain scum. bottom pool contained 1 scum, 2 scum max.

The posts they are making right now should prove to everyone that they are the ones trying to keep this fight going. It lets them hide.

[Iconeum]

Votecount 1.10

zoraster(4)

~ NorwegianboyEE(80), Nancy Drew 39(110), TheGoldenParadox(29), thestatusquo(96)

!

@Nancy scum is 100% in this

Then the only one I’m currently not tr is TGP.

+1

[Iconeum]

can these players talk to me about why they would or wouldn't sheep me here?

I wouldn't sheep you because I don't think that's a compelling reason to vote FL. As he said, though, I would of course vote anyone if it were them-or-me.

I don't know how I feel about FL at this point, he needs sorting and he's tough to sort and I wish I had Krazy in my back pocket. But I wouldn't sheep on this kind of thing.

this is probably one of the most +town posts akarin has made all game

[Nancy Drew 39]

Norwee/TGP *could* be a team vs town!FL

but it's never TGP with FL or norwee with FL

and town!norwee + town!TGP can be a thing vs scum!FL

Pine feels like a much better flip here lol

I’m not switching my vote when I feel this confident about my TGP sr.

[Iconeum]

caught up to page 117 currently

my biggest take so far is that I am probably settling on town!FL here, and if he is scum i am probably not gonna be able to do jack shit about it

[Nancy Drew 39]

caught up to page 117 currently

my biggest take so far is that I am probably settling on town!FL here, and if he is scum i am probably not gonna be able to do jack shit about it

I don’t think so because I doubt we’d be this strongly mindmelding if he were scum here.

[Iconeum]

That's just even more points towards Norwee/TGP team. Just for the record, if anyone thinks that I would let Akarin go and TR her at the start of D2 as a scum, you're funny, really

TGP could very well be scum and i won’t fight a wagon on him but Pine is the superior flip.

Also it’s possible TGP is just another distraction that leads away from Pine/Ramcius so i’d like it if y’all could re-evaluate the chance that Pine is scum here.

TGP feels like the perfect flip here

neither of FL/norwee want it so it sounds perfect :p

[Flavor Leaf]

The political reads

the overreactions

the poor reasoning to town read TGP

the constant misrep and discredit of why they are being pushed.

Their lack of acknowledgement to multiple team options

they're setting up of misfades.

you've had political reads
you've had overreactions
you've had poor reasons for certain reads, or at least were 100% unwilling to explain them
you have definitely been misrepping/shading/discrediting other players
you literally had a PoE of like 6? or smt players so yeah the setting up misfades can be said about you as well

this entire post applies to you as well so no it's not very compelling

ive had zero political reads, if anyone thinks i ever cared what anyone thinks about me this game, i apologize if i gave you that impression

[Flavor Leaf]

im not setting up misfades either cuz i pool hunt, not target hunt,

[Flavor Leaf]

i will shade everyone when they deserved to be shaded

[Iconeum]

Those were JJ’s reads from aroung page 50 btw i should have added that. So not final.

do you think that information was relevant, at all? If yes? why? if no, why post it in the first place?

[Iconeum]

Flavour Leaf should reevaluate Pine because he knows Pine's posts have been designed to pocket him.

i do +1 this feeling

[Iconeum]

You're being manipulated by Pine who is a very good scum player. (JJH's words not mine)

Pine is an incredible scumplayer and someone very much capable of playing the gamestate

i've seen as much in Ali V Pine

[Iconeum]

ok another hot take

in a world with town!nancy, town!fl AND town!pine, which scumteam in their right minds shoots out of this bracket EVER?

that has to be suicide, even with a read on a potential pr crumb

[Iconeum]

i don't think scum!pine and scum!fl play the buddy buddy game that obviously
Nancy is probably town anyway. Scum!fl OR scum!pine can make sense, with a strong favorite towards the latter

[Iconeum]

Pine's iso is actually rather fence-sitty with regards to a TGP read

Spoiler:

A) I apologize for the aspersions on your psychology. I do not understand much of what you do or why you do it, and it is easy and cheap to slap a derogatory label on it rather than try to solve it. That’s not fair or kind and I will refrain.
B) That said, your insistence that others are able to have instant and reliable meta tells on you is absolute horseshit. It always has been and continues to be. Your ongoing inability to understand why people suspect you in a game revolving around deception represents a stunning lack of self-awareness that I’d hoped you’d outgrown
C) You are wildly overestimating most teams’ attention to their teammates’ games.
D) And also their willingness to dictate their teammates’ reads
E) And further the willingness of most players to take their teammates reads as gospel
F) These flaws in your understanding of how other people process reads you believe to be obvious contributes heavily to the aforementioned self-awareness issue
G) All that said, it also contributes to my Townread of you. Given the stakes of this game, I am willing to shelve my frustration and work with you until either you are killed to reduce free chaos in the playerset or I am killed as a threat.
H) The quoting issue was in regards to the time we have until deadline, nothing to do with TGP, whom I haven’t managed to sort yet.
I) I am also having difficulty sorting Shea

A quick scan of a few ISOs:

Zor looks fine to me. I have absolutely no idea what this wagon is about, aside from some of you pouting that he’s not doing what you want or expect. Hint: Anyone who yields to demands deserves suspicion, not trust.

NancyDrew is doing her usual petulant Town thing. She’s fine.

Norwegian is irritating the shit out of me, but jury’s out on whether it’s AI or not.

Flavor Leaf is unreadable so far. He always is. He is, however, too valuable if Town to be a D1 boot.

DEB is the only one who sticks out as distinctly suspicious so far.

I’ll reserve my vote for now, need to put those ISOs in context.

Shea, skimming through an ISO as short as mine really oughtn’t require multiple demands.

So you like Zor then? Maybe I should keep my vote where it is then? I just really feel strongly that TGP is scum and unlike Norwee, I think how a player interacts with you is possibly the most valuable information you can have.

I'm not really settled on Zor yet, but the reasons for voting for him and the people doing it have me really wary of the wagon. TGP might be a reasonable vote, but I think Akarin is more likely to flip scum.

What if I told you that things which are wrong from your perspective arent necessarily wrong from the perspective of people who aren't you? That's my biggest problem with your reasoning. All the other stuff besides that seems spot on.

Also I'm trying to decide if I'm voting pine or not. I don't think I'm willing to let them come in, do dick all while angrily shading me and then disengage from the game again.

I've been neither angry towards you, nor have I shaded you. I have shown healthy suspicion of you and disinterest in engaging in your aggressive rhetoric.

like honestly, i dont give a fuck at this point.

if you think i'm scum here, y'all hopeless

Couldn't agree more.

VOTE: Norwegian

My team's been helping out with reads while I flounder a bit catching up. Dannflor's money is on a Norwegian/Akarin/TGP scumteam, though I'm not sold on TGP. Jingle largely agrees though we talked about tracking the night kill, trying to figure out who would have shot BB. He's not an obvious shot, and that can really say a lot. It was a process of elimination, but we thought the person with the best combination of experience, perceived threat level, and teammates might be Mistyx.

I'm feeling pretty good about those reads. {Norwegian, Akarin} and one of {TGP, Mistyx} seems most likely.

I'll support that with Townreads -

Flavor Leaf and Nancy continue to be rock solid TRs for me.

Shea is playing recklessly and punishing people who aren't as invested in the game. I fucking hate that, and it's generally anti-Town, but the vigor of it suggests he's pursuing an aggressive attempt to sort. If he were flippant and actually

pursued

his shitty vendettas, it might be a scum veneer. He's not - he drops them as soon as he has a real lead. I can respect that.

Ramcius and Iconeum are harder to read, but playing generally to a pro-Town agenda.

DEB I haven't got a clue on.

TGP flipping scum doesn't incriminate norwee
it incriminates Pine

does anyone else see this?

btw that would also mean that norwee is town on basis of their Pine push alone

[Iconeum]

VOTE: TGP