TM2021 | Anime Destroys Untrod Tripod | Endgame

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mark my words that with a Pine elimination comes FL. Ramcius is townier than FL and is actually putting some logic behind his push. Such as speculating on a TSQ team. Unlike FL/Pine that literally just scumread me and nobody else, in a game with 2 scum left.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wonder if Pine will ever post that thing he was going to paraphraze from Dannflor.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Mark my words that with a Pine elimination comes FL. Ramcius is townier than FL and is actually putting some logic behind his push. Such as speculating on a TSQ team. Unlike FL/Pine that literally just scumread me and nobody else, in a game with 2 scum left.

Ram doesn’t look to be aligned with anyone.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mark my words that with a Pine elimination comes FL. Ramcius is townier than FL and is actually putting some logic behind his push. Such as speculating on a TSQ team. Unlike FL/Pine that literally just scumread me and nobody else, in a game with 2 scum left.

Ram doesn’t look to be aligned with anyone.

You know i think i agree with you on that. Ramcius seems to have managed to antagonize pretty much everyone so given this i’m banking on the scum being literally just Pine/FL.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Why are you more confident on Pine than FL? I never never played a game with Pine where he didn’t seem scummy.

The one point in FL’s favour is that he claims to be willing to protect one of the two confitowns where as Pine says he won’t, so that bothers me.

I don’t think there’s any good reasoning to not do that, because we’re obviously never eliming either Akarin or Misty.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why are you more confident on Pine than FL? I never never played a game with Pine where he didn’t seem scummy.

JJH told me he is completely certain Pine faked their claim here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’d vote for FL as well. But i don’t see much reason to switch my vote.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Pine's is an extremely obvious fakeclaim in this setup

1. There have been exactly 0 other roles in this and the previous game that are not limited by number of shots. An ungated jailkeeper claim does not match the design ethos for the setup.

2. His claim says "Aside from FL's 1-shot doc, I am the only protective role in this game." Pine is trying to assign additional value to his claim. Note that FL is A. claiming exactly the same role as someone else, and B. Not necessarily telling the truth.
But if Pine is assuming he is telling the truth there, which is inherently strange, this is definitely phrasing to enhance self-importance and disregard that there has already been a significant degree of town protective when scum only has a 1-shot strongman

3. This is absolutely not a conftown claim; rather it is one that MUST claim last for scum to have any chance of faking results without being called out by PRs. Pine knows goddamn well that an unconfirmed and unconfirmable jailkeeper claim is as far from being confirmed town as anything else he could claim.
He hasn't spoken at all about his N1 jailkeep which is the only thing that would actually matter for when his claim occurred if he was town. Insisting on claiming last can only be to ensure he is not himself caught in a lie.

VOTE: Pine

Is this jjh’s case? Pine claimed to jk FL N1 and Ico N2 but you’re point about ungated does make sense because no one else has claimed an ungated anything.

I also can’t understand why FL thinks Ico would push you. It would make way more sense for him to argue that Ico was a frame rather than that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I also can’t understand why FL thinks Ico would push you.

What FL should be arguing is that an nightkill on him would prove scum!me. Because that's probably what scum!me would do if FL was town in this game.
There's like no reason for me to nightkill Iconeum if i'm mafia here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Unless it's specifically to argue that "i wouldn't do that". But the gain is much less there than just getting rid of slots that are hard pushing me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And yeah, i don't get why Iconeum would be pushing me if he was alive either, last time i checked he townread me pretty hard.

[NorwegianboyEE]

FL literally killed the guy that townreads me and is trying to explain their death is scum indicative for me.
If he is town here then his level of delusion is quite insane. But yeah, he's scum.

[Mistyx]

Hello

I’m not caught up but I have takes anyway

Titus doesn’t want the doc to target me tonight and thinks Ram looks bad from VCA (she has not yet elaborated)

[NorwegianboyEE]

@MistyX
@Nancy
JJH wants you both to know that he is considerably more confident on Pine mechanically than he was about Twins in pokemon battles. There is no ungated role in this setup such as the one pine claims to have.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hello

I’m not caught up but I have takes anyway

Titus doesn’t want the doc to target me tonight and thinks Ram looks bad from VCA (she has not yet elaborated)

Well for purely selfish reasons, I need Akarin to stay in this game to maintain what’s left of my sanity.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@MistyX
@Nancy
JJH wants you both to know that he is considerably more confident on Pine mechanically than he was about Twins in pokemon battles. There is no ungated role in this setup such as the one pine claims to have.

VOTE: Pine

You’re right, even the joat actions are one shots. So even he is a jk, it would have to be a one shot not ungated. DEB flipped 1 shot strongman, Akarin had a 1 shot vig etc.

[Nancy Drew 39]

TGP, Misty, the list goes on. And he that’s why he won’t agree to jk one of Akarin/Misty, because if he had one he’d have used it up already.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If he’d have claimed an ungated bg, I might also disbelieve it but bg is more frequently a town fakclaim than ungated jk. In PYP, one of my most recent scumgames, I replaced in for Lillith who picked it. Only thing is that why wasn’t there a no kill like Lillith did?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Whoa what the fuck

I haven’t been in the thread since last night but Dannflor just @ed me in a panic

Flavor Leaf

Unvote yourself this instant. When I get home I’m going to catch up and help you solve. Dann is also writing something up for me to paraphrase

Stop throwing you beautiful pile of moron

This post is still really really weird and I don’t understand how FL isn’t even remotely suspicious of it.

[Nancy Drew 39]

like honestly, i dont give a fuck at this point.

if you think i'm scum here, y'all hopeless

Couldn't agree more.

VOTE: Norwegian

My team's been helping out with reads while I flounder a bit catching up. Dannflor's money is on a Norwegian/Akarin/TGP scumteam, though I'm not sold on TGP. Jingle largely agrees though we talked about tracking the night kill, trying to figure out who would have shot BB. He's not an obvious shot, and that can really say a lot. It was a process of elimination, but we thought the person with the best combination of experience, perceived threat level, and teammates might be Mistyx.

I'm feeling pretty good about those reads. {Norwegian, Akarin} and one of {TGP, Mistyx} seems most likely.

I'll support that with Townreads -

Flavor Leaf and Nancy continue to be rock solid TRs for me.

Shea is playing recklessly and punishing people who aren't as invested in the game. I fucking hate that, and it's generally anti-Town, but the vigor of it suggests he's pursuing an aggressive attempt to sort. If he were flippant and actually

pursued

his shitty vendettas, it might be a scum veneer. He's not - he drops them as soon as he has a real lead. I can respect that.

Ramcius and Iconeum are harder to read, but playing generally to a pro-Town agenda.

DEB I haven't got a clue on.

It looks like Norwee is Pine’s only sr, well unless you include TGP, Akarin and Misty - iow. his sr appear to be Norwee, flipped town or confitown.

[Nancy Drew 39]

UNVOTE:

I still want to wait to see how he responds to everything but unless someone can make a more compelling case on anyone else, that’s probably where my vote will go.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL literally killed the guy that townreads me and is trying to explain their death is scum indicative for me.
If he is town here then his level of delusion is quite insane. But yeah, he's scum.

I actively took this back, don’t try and act like i was using that as a case

[NorwegianboyEE]

FL literally killed the guy that townreads me and is trying to explain their death is scum indicative for me.
If he is town here then his level of delusion is quite insane. But yeah, he's scum.

I actively took this back, don’t try and act like i was using that as a case

And yet that doesn't change your read on me at all. You're not trying to solve me, you're just trying to come up with anything that sticks. That's not solving, that's you attempting to force through an elimination.

[Flavor Leaf]

I have actively given my reasons for you to be scum.

I also have given my reasons for town reading other slots.

You are not my only scum read, i have actively stated my entire POE.

[Flavor Leaf]

I am trying to force through and elimination, I have been for days now, and when the smoke clears everyone will realize that I was right, like I always am