Open 805 Panic Room Day 1

[Green Crayons]

Salsa didn’t vote either I believe, but pretty solid town


I still don’t understand your mindset. No scum don’t plan to eliminate themselves. But if town were focusing on two scum at the exclusion of others, then bus becomes necessary.

[Infinity 324]

Lilith and catboi, who were like 2 of my strongest TRs

Idk I need to reread

PEdit: I don't see why scum!gamma was defending murder while his partner was bussing. I don't get what he was trying to achieve.

[Dumb and Dumber]

Idk I need to reread

I look forward to your conclusions/case(s) after re-reading. Sooner, the better

-Dumbass

[Dumb and Dumber]

PEdit: I don't see why scum!gamma was defending murder while his partner was bussing. I don't get what he was trying to achieve.

In my experience, Gamma isn't exactly a very co-operative scum player.

-Dumbass

[Daenerys and Dragons]

@infinity what do you mean by “shading murdercat”? also, why does thinking about who was “shading” murder but voting gamma lead you to me/catboi but not lead you to this post?

VOTE: gamma

For the reasons I stated before as to why i'd like vote him; plus I'm skeptical of his ATE in responding to lilith. lilith's reasons in her case post are also not wrong.


I know i unvoted MC but I'm fine with his elim too. I unvoted him earlier after his explanation of his penguin vote to me, but there's also still his vast lack of activity (not just in frequency of posts, but in pushing any suspicion forward beyond penguin after getting wagoned).

- Daenerys

[Infinity 324]

I mean, I did just say I need to reread

Shading to me means directing some suspicion without a vote

[catboi]

FWIW, I still think murdercat's push on yyotta is potentially partner-y but points away from her being the bomb and so would vote elsewhere today.

(also, that was the most confident I've felt about a non-mechanical redflip in a while, feels good (*•̀ᴗ•́*)و ̑̑ )

[Daenerys and Dragons]

I mean, I did just say I need to reread

Shading to me means directing some suspicion without a vote

idk I feel like you’re making a bit of a false dichotomy - like if I’m not townreading murder then I must be voting him or else it’s suspicious. but I had a much stronger scumread on someone else. and catboi was on the murder wagon. so neither of us being named makes much sense.

- Daenerys

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Yyottacat

[Daenerys and Dragons]

sorted reads

catboi/d&d/salsabil
nm
yyotta/mena/infinity/gc <- elimpool

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

not sure if we should be trying to discuss the nk - @d&d do you guys think this is a useful discussion to have?

- Daenerys

[Infinity 324]

idk I feel like you’re making a bit of a false dichotomy - like if I’m not townreading murder then I must be voting him or else it’s suspicious. but I had a much stronger scumread on someone else. and catboi was on the murder wagon. so neither of us being named makes much sense.

Yeah I don't think it necessarily makes you scum, but I'd expect scum to have that position if that makes sense. I have a hard time seeing you as scum after your play d1 in general

[Dumb and Dumber]

not sure if we should be trying to discuss the nk - @d&d do you guys think this is a useful discussion to have?

Nope, we should avoid it.

-Dumbass

[Daenerys and Dragons]

@infinity

why does thinking about who was “shading” murder but voting gamma lead you to me/catboi but not lead you to this post?

VOTE: gamma

For the reasons I stated before as to why i'd like vote him; plus I'm skeptical of his ATE in responding to lilith. lilith's reasons in her case post are also not wrong.


I know i unvoted MC but I'm fine with his elim too. I unvoted him earlier after his explanation of his penguin vote to me, but there's also still his vast lack of activity (not just in frequency of posts, but in pushing any suspicion forward beyond penguin after getting wagoned).

- Daenerys

[Infinity 324]

I mean, I did just say I need to reread

I forgot about it

[Daenerys and Dragons]

ok

[Dumb and Dumber]

@skitter and auro I’m really really sorry about D1. I think I got myself stuck in kill mode and couldn’t get myself out. And that’s probably the best way to describe why I felt so off. I think you guys are probably just town though.

I’m not particularly townreading gamma’s slot but I think gc trying to make a gamma wagon possible at eod was kinda suspicious.

- Daenerys

<3
why do you think we're town now tho?

~ skitteR

[Dumb and Dumber]

Also @mena i have a p strong townpool and gamma never was townie, so he was p firmly outside of it. And i dislike his interactions with mc/mc's wagon, in that he tried to avoid it for a p long time

Okay, well I can’t answer for gamma and I haven’t read yet but I will

Like I don’t ur logic but I would like to hear more on who is particularly towny and why

Although I’d actually prob rather hear after I read up to see if we sync or not

you
salsa
lilith's slot

~
infinity
gc
yyotta
catboi

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MURDERKITTY
gamma

tiers look roughly like this ^.
don't really want to flip nm either

this is from my eod yestserday
salsa - strongest townread; the iso-reads she's done on a few slots now are ridiculously +++town, she has an element of guileness that i really like, she just screams newbtown

lilith's slot - the emotion in bickering with gamma + how she picked a fight with me eod yesterday, probably town, probably otu of her scumrange (i'm a bit less confident than i was yesterday, i will say)

~
infinity - with the murder scum flip and infinity's defense of him i want to put him in the bottom category tbh. i don't remember why i was townreading him anymore

gc - liked his stubborness on his shadow read (not the initial read, but rather how he persisted and explained it when i kept pushing back). not as strong a townread as the above but town enough for now

yyotta - also getting newbtown vibes. weaker read than the other townreads

catboi - i really liked shadowslug, and htought he was very, very townie. i don't have much thought on catboi's iteration of the slot tbh

~

gamma - literally never got townvibes from him, hated his half of the lilith/gamma thing

murderkitty - flipped scum! i'm happy i caught that one

~

nm - nm

that's kinda where i'm at. want to focus on lesser townreads / people i don't townread today

~ skitteR

[Dumb and Dumber]

Idk my inclination is that scum hardbussed for cred to get into panic room, but that’s purely based on VCs and knowing my own alignment

ok but that would have to be, like, us tho

~ skitteR

[Dumb and Dumber]

lilith why are you voting gc?

infinity's positioning rn kinda looks like partners with gamma and mc but i'm not sure, if he's partners with gamma and mc, that he actually posititions himself this way, if that makes sense

my vibes from eod gamestate is that gamma's slot + MURDERKITTY were both scum tbh.

~ skitteR

[Daenerys and Dragons]

@skitter and auro I’m really really sorry about D1. I think I got myself stuck in kill mode and couldn’t get myself out. And that’s probably the best way to describe why I felt so off. I think you guys are probably just town though.

I’m not particularly townreading gamma’s slot but I think gc trying to make a gamma wagon possible at eod was kinda suspicious.

- Daenerys

<3
why do you think we're town now tho?

~ skitteR

mostly I didn't feel like that was you guys bussing murder. since we're back to discussing it, your slot would have been the only one to really gain any viability to be recruited after the flip (and therefore have the motivation that mena is ascribing for bussing), but I don't think you would have really needed to be on the wagon to gain that viability because you already had it. so it would have just been gratuitous bussing and I don't really think you would have gone about d1 like that, both in a vacuum and with the way our 1v1 was panning out. I think I worked myself into a state where I saw everything you were saying about the beginning of the day as bad faith, but once I saw the flip I realized I was probably just conf-biasing myself into feeling that way about the 1v1.

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

lilith why are you voting gc?

infinity's positioning rn kinda looks like partners with gamma and mc but i'm not sure, if he's partners with gamma and mc, that he actually posititions himself this way, if that makes sense

my vibes from eod gamestate is that gamma's slot + MURDERKITTY were both scum tbh.

~ skitteR

gamma replacing out made me feel bad about how I acted towards both him and you. I don't townread his slot/actions but I'm willing to give some benefit of the doubt that I was just confbiasing myself on him in a similar way as I was on you guys.

if gamma slot is town then I think gc is really suspicious for how he behaved around the two wagons yesterday. I'm fine with gamma slot going first but obviously don't think we need to go there right away/we can pressure mena just fine without my vote necessarily being on him, but I don't really want to let gc skate by without scrutiny.

- Daenerys

[Daenerys and Dragons]

gc was trying to pressure murdercat for most of the day, then towards the very end decided he wanted to vote gamma instead, and made some kind of awkward posts about my case being "not wrong" (which.. I think is just a really awkward way to give an opinion on someone else's case), and it felt like it was at a potential "turning point" (for want of a better word) where the wagon could have ended up on gamma if things had gone slightly differently.

- Daenerys

[Green Crayons]

under that theory, i would have helped build the momentum on my scum teammate and then abandoned right at the fork-in-the-road between MC and Gamma, which is pretty bad play imo

[Green Crayons]

like the worst of both worlds. I help my scummate get eliminated but reap no bussing benefit.

i will note, however, that i also supported the MC elim even when voting gamma. I don't think that nets me town points per se, but I do think it undermines me being MC's teammate.