Mini Theme 2194 : Draft Mafia | Endgame

[Toogeloo]

why does klick pick out someone totally random like flea, who has virtually no chance of being elim'd today, if klick is scum

the very fact they made a vote outside of the lim pool and don't even provide much reasoning attracts a lot of attention and is antithetical to how scum would play this imo

Scum can totally make mistakes. I'm not klick, I can't answer this question, but as it stands, it wasn't a very town post either. An argument can be made similarly, why does town klick avoid talking about anything relevant and place an awkward vanity vote this close to deadline?

[shadowslug]

What's the klick case?

I can do klick I guess. Not crazy about it though.

VOTE: klick

no case for klick is given between these two posts, but NPOM votes it anyway

the total lack of reads from NPOM is scummy since they have free license to vote anyone and they won't catch any flack for it

klick is also a total scum vote since nobody's really gonna raise eyebrows at a vote there, it's safe and uncontroversial

[Toogeloo]

Would you rather lim klick, or no lim at all?

[Toogeloo]

I mean, seriously, you know a game has gone off the rails if I am trying to lead the town on Day 1.

[We brought pizza]

We can lim pooky, clidd, slug, or klick today. That pool of four probably has all three scum or at least two.

[mastina]

I am hesitant to start a new wagon with 2 days to deadline however. We can't even move on past Pooky and pizza, and at this rate we either no lim today, or pick a side in the 1v1.

(Recent mafiascum PTSD triggered)

I really wanna know why the Molla wagon fell apart--the dude literally was at L-3 and yet the wagon just...disappeared.

[mastina]

VOTE: Gamma

This is a much better vote than Pooky or pizza tho and if I can't get Molla wagoned then this is the best alternative available.

[mastina]

I wanted to sheep Mastina here, but I'm having trouble seeing scum!BBmola rn.

Okay then pretend you're not sheeping me--pretend you're sheeping GreyICE. (Not willow, his replacement, GreyICE himself.)

Like BBMolla posting what he did? Fucking bad play. -_- What the hell were you thinking? Seriously.

GreyIces intro posts are awful

No really. Did you join the game and think "I'm gonna tell the scum I'm taking the most useful power from the pack so they know to definitely avoid passing themselves my pack"?
Or did you think "I'm taking the scummiest power from the pack, I'll tell the town in an attempt to look town so I'm not autolynched if they find out."

Vote: BBMolla

Inquiring minds are curious here.

what towncred would I gain by taking a scum power
I'm literally being open about it so that if that many people think I'm scummy or whatever I won't take it
like your logic makes no fucking sense

Getting caught as having taken a scum power first pick by something like a rolecop, or draft pack cop, or anything like that, would be an extremely negative thing, yes? I understand the value of picking a scum power out of a pack full of bad powers, but I don't understand the value in announcing "hey my pack is so bad the best thing I can do is hatedraft a scum power that depending on how packs pass the scum might not even see".
I'm not seeing the "town" in this announcement. I see the scum CYA.

can you explain bolded?

It's explained following the bold. Essentially, scum will struggle to find avenues of attack for scum pushes on town, and will push things that look easy to get away with.

Mmm, interesting logic. Very mafia theory-esque. So put your money where your mouth is. I'm ignoring a stronger avenue of attack on someone to push this on BBMolla because "I can get away with it." So... where is it? Where's the avenue I'm missing?

I'm mostly losing my shit because it seems a lot of people who have more experience are calling it a scumtell, when that's just a shit take all over.
chief among the idiot army being pooky, to the point where it's so flagrant he's probably scum for it

That was a lousy answer to what you thought of bbmolla

[shadowslug]

Would you rather lim klick, or no lim at all?

dunno why these are the two options when NPOM is a perfectly suitable candidate

[mastina]

Nvm lets flashwagon BBmolla.

Yes, let's.

He's essentially saying to wagon the GreyICE slot, the LLD slot, or the tris slot.

[mastina]

I'll wait for Mastina to come back, I want to see her opinion between NPOM and Klick.

NPOM is a weaker townread so if you forced me to choose between NPOM and Klick I'd choose to wagon NPOM--I just wouldn't be happy because I'm explicitly of the belief that {Pizza, Pooky, Klick} are all town, with a side of NPOM being a (admittedly weaker) townread.

Nobody willing to answer me on who started the Molla wagon.

Either me or GreyICE.

[shadowslug]

VOTE: Klick

zippidity doo daa

this is the worst thing uve done all game

[Klick]

I think you over-estimate the effort required to click a link, sip my drink, press [CTRL+F, F, L E, A] and look at the 3 results that show up. #805 and #913 are the only mentions, the 3rd result of the find in page may surprise nobody to learn of that it's in the logout link.

At the risk of repeating myself, perhaps you'd care to flash forward to the explanation as to why?

The issue is less 'how' and more 'why bother' or 'what made you want to do this'
because I can think of a scum reason but not a decent town one

[clidd]

Alright, I'll try this:

VOTE: NPOM

[Klick]

Klick's vote on Flea, and the way they said it, is extremely scummy to me. It came off desperate to look active without talking about the elephant in the room.

This characterization makes little sense to me - in what way was it 'desperate to look active' and what elephant have I been avoiding?

[Klick]

VOTE: Pooky

Sorry pooks, town certainly does have a mechanical decision to make tonight. I can either use a pro-town ability and effect the game like that, or I can burn the Ninja and do nothing more than sit pretty pretty much trading a "you can't see me!" for a "I'm watching you!", for example.

PEDIT: I wanna see their response first. I've got a few nails I'm trying to hit in with a squeaky mallet right now because brains are fun.

It's a textbook scum response to avoid hopping onto my wagon too quickly here

[Klick]

What's the klick case?

The vote on Flea is bad.

The immediate shift of momentum to wagoning me from a bunch of people with no stake in the decision is much worse

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

VOTE: Klick

zippidity doo daa

this is the worst thing uve done all game

lol why

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: Pooky

Sorry pooks, town certainly does have a mechanical decision to make tonight. I can either use a pro-town ability and effect the game like that, or I can burn the Ninja and do nothing more than sit pretty pretty much trading a "you can't see me!" for a "I'm watching you!", for example.

PEDIT: I wanna see their response first. I've got a few nails I'm trying to hit in with a squeaky mallet right now because brains are fun.

It's a textbook scum response to avoid hopping onto my wagon too quickly here

this is funny... those who know me know I'm quite reflexive in my hunting. Someone comes at me, I go hammer and tongues back and I ain't scared to OMGUS to the point it's usually expected.
Damned if I do, damned if don't. I feel I've enough of a grip on your methods to know that if I immediately came back you'd come at me for being too defensive/aggressive leavin me stuffed either way.

But seeing as you're retroactively adding reason to your unjustifiable and rather naff vote on me, VOTE: Klick
This wagon has my blessing.

*sits on the picnic blanket and starts diving through the basket, occasionally yeeting a fairy cake or an old teabag out of the basket*

[Flea The Magician]

Slug is my compromise wagon, the vibe check is consistently being failed rn. I'm liking gamma and pizza, pooks is D1 untouchable lets face it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ive died so many times on d1 i dont even know where this d1 untouchable meme came from

[Flea The Magician]

I think you over-estimate the effort required to click a link, sip my drink, press [CTRL+F, F, L E, A] and look at the 3 results that show up. #805 and #913 are the only mentions, the 3rd result of the find in page may surprise nobody to learn of that it's in the logout link.

At the risk of repeating myself, perhaps you'd care to flash forward to the explanation as to why?

The issue is less 'how' and more 'why bother' or 'what made you want to do this'
because I can think of a scum reason but not a decent town one

Because.... it's amusing. I don't recall seeing anything from you, and I wanted to confirm the information I have. We're playing a game based heavily on information and theory. Using theory when fact is available is so much more fulfilling <3

[Flea The Magician]

ive died so many times on d1 i dont even know where this d1 untouchable meme came from

just embrace it.

[Klick]

I feel I've enough of a grip on your methods to know that if I immediately came back you'd come at me for being too defensive/aggressive leavin me stuffed either way.

And to what end would this be my play as scum? What do I gain by doubling down?
Your headcanon of me being scum and the reasons behind it don't add up and feel convenient

[BBmolla]

Klick if Flea is town who is scum?