Micro 994 | Brass and Shrapnel | Game Over!

[Raya36]

I think you're the one revealing that you know everyone's alignment. Otherwise you'd be considering all possibilities.

I have considered all possibilities. I think it's within you NM and maybe brass. I don't think it's Saudade or MV.

VOTE: TBone

[Not_Mafia]

I don't like anyone who lollygagged on the brass E-1 yesterday

[T-Bone]

Cool.

So, Saudade, NM, the solve is MiniVirgo and Raya. What do I have to do to convince you?

I think I laid out a case why I think MiniVirgo is scum between Day 2 and 3, but I can repeat those points as needed. I did confront Raya for being scum late Day 1/Early Day 2, and I think Raya revealed that she knew Brass and MiniVirgo's alignment, and that's why she (and not MiniVirgo mind you) are so against this plan. MiniVirgo could have fought this, but Raya has really been the one against this from the get go. I think town!Raya would a) consider this and b) let MiniVirgo defend themselves against this plan. She has done the opposite of both those things. There is a desperation in her posts to not lose her partner I believe.

If not, let's get on with the missLim. I feel good about my solve, and it is what it is if you don't believe me.

[T-Bone]

I don't like anyone who lollygagged on the brass E-1 yesterday

I mean, so did you. So...? If you had moved Brass to E-1 (before deadline), Flea would have hammered, and I would have. Truthfully I did not realize the deadline had passed because we went a few days without a vote count, and Brass wasn't my preferred Lim so I wasn't in a rush.

[T-Bone]

Brass is probably my least preferred Lim, but I'll take it to get actual scum to hammer. If we can get to E-1 with Brass, Saudade, and Not_Mafia on the Brass wagon, then I'll feel comfortable that we have all the town on that wagon, and we can play the pseudo-deadline game among Raya, MiniVirgo, and I.

[T-Bone]

I am so confident that if we got Brass to E-1 and Raya or Mini had to be the hammer, we would not get one. They would make excuses. Because I am very confident they both know with certainty that Brass is a Supersaint.

(4 posts in a row I am so sorry)

[Raya36]

Cool.

So, Saudade, NM, the solve is MiniVirgo and Raya. What do I have to do to convince you?

I think I laid out a case why I think MiniVirgo is scum between Day 2 and 3, but I can repeat those points as needed. I did confront Raya for being scum late Day 1/Early Day 2, and I think Raya revealed that she knew Brass and MiniVirgo's alignment, and that's why she (and not MiniVirgo mind you) are so against this plan. MiniVirgo could have fought this, but Raya has really been the one against this from the get go. I think town!Raya would a) consider this and b) let MiniVirgo defend themselves against this plan. She has done the opposite of both those things. There is a desperation in her posts to not lose her partner I believe.

If not, let's get on with the missLim. I feel good about my solve, and it is what it is if you don't believe me.

You're either wrong or scum. And maybe my confidence in minivirgo being town is wrongly placed but at limlo with 2 scum I can't really afford to listen to my scumread and be paranoid about my townread.

[T-Bone]

That post wasn't addressed to you or an attempt to convince you of anything.

[Raya36]

I am so confident that if we got Brass to E-1 and Raya or Mini had to be the hammer, we would not get one. They would make excuses. Because I am very confident they both know with certainty that Brass is a Supersaint.

(4 posts in a row I am so sorry)

I would if consensus wanted me to but I'm not gonna volunteer because again, if we're wrong about brass then that's 2 town dead.

How about you, would you hammer Brass?

[Raya36]

That post wasn't addressed to you or an attempt to convince you of anything.

Well yes, I know you weren't trying to convince me I'm scum. Just commenting on the part about me

[T-Bone]

I town read Brass. You don't. That's the KEY difference.

I wouldn't hammer my town read because I think he's town. Raya just said she

wouldn't

volunteer to

hammer her scumread

. She and MiniVirgo are NOT town.

[T-Bone]

Raya just tried to make a false equivalency between her spot in the game and mine. She said she wouldn't hammer her scumread knowing that I would say I wouldn't hammer my townread. There was no mystery as to what my answer would be. Those two things aren't the same. That's scum manipulation.

[Raya36]

Because I want someone I think is scum to hammer my scumread who

alternatively could eliminate the hammerer

.

[Raya36]

Why would I, as town, want to eliminate a claimed supersaint whether I believe them to be scum or not. It makes perfect sense to force a scumread to do it.

[T-Bone]

But then that means you're admitting you know your solve is incorrect (because you know Brass is town). Otherwise eliminating Brass' counterwagon from a town standpoint, makes the most sense. I don't want the rest of you to lose sight of this.

[Raya36]

To clear my pov up.

I think Brass could be scum.
I think TBone could be scum.

TBone claims to TR Brass.
TBone wants MV, my TR,, to hammer brass.
I SR TBone.

Maybe TBone knows Brass actually is town.
Explains why he TRs Brass, he can't be expected to be the hammer.
Explains why he wants MV to hammer if MV is town, scum!Tbone would win.
Explains his SR on me, he needs a partner for MV and he knows I won't agree with his plan anyway.

[T-Bone]

If Brass is town, than your read on the entire game is wrong because it hinges on Brass being scum. Vise versa if Brass is scum then my entire read on the game is wrong. The only way to reconcile this in a world where we were both town, is to have MiniVirgo, the counterwagon to Brass, be the other elimination.

The nice thing about me being wrong is that the game continues. The awful thing about you being wrong is that the game ends in scum victory.

But I think Raya is counting on that second part.

[Raya36]

But then that means you're admitting you know your solve is incorrect (because you know Brass is town). Otherwise eliminating Brass' counterwagon from a town standpoint, makes the most sense. I don't want the rest of you to lose sight of this.

Of course my solve

could

be incorrect. As NM said, insurance.

[T-Bone]

Explains his SR on me, he needs a partner for MV and he knows I won't agree with his plan anyway.

I think my progression since Day 1 explains these two reads. I didn't just suddenly come up with this today.

[T-Bone]

But then that means you're admitting you know your solve is incorrect (because you know Brass is town). Otherwise eliminating Brass' counterwagon from a town standpoint, makes the most sense. I don't want the rest of you to lose sight of this.

Of course my solve

could

be incorrect. As NM said, insurance.

And the town's insurance should be town!Brass' counterwagon. But that's the one outcome you don't want.

[Raya36]

If Brass is town, than your read on the entire game is wrong because it hinges on Brass being scum. Vise versa if Brass is scum then my entire read on the game is wrong. The only way to reconcile this in a world where we were both town, is to have MiniVirgo, the counterwagon to Brass, be the other elimination.

The nice thing about me being wrong is that the game continues. The awful thing about you being wrong is that the game ends in scum victory.

But I think Raya is counting on that second part.

How do you know both MV and Brass aren't town though

[T-Bone]

I don't, but I would imagine that if one is town, most likely the other is scum. That's the way the game has played out. Yeah if they are both town that is game over. But that's true of any two players.

The difference is these two slots are tied together in a way that no other two slots are.

[T-Bone]

We're arguing over MiniVirgo and not say Saudade for a reason. You recognize why those two slots are different right?

[Raya36]

But then that means you're admitting you know your solve is incorrect (because you know Brass is town). Otherwise eliminating Brass' counterwagon from a town standpoint, makes the most sense. I don't want the rest of you to lose sight of this.

Of course my solve

could

be incorrect. As NM said, insurance.

And the town's insurance should be town!Brass' counterwagon. But that's the one outcome you don't want.

This is the first post that's made me actually consider this

[T-Bone]

Literally the thing I've been arguing for lol

(okay I'm sorry to everyone else we just did a few pages)