Mini Normal 2197: Noraaland ~Endgame~

[Gamma Emerald]

Also it's not fake?

I'm talking about how you overstate read strength in the early game

Yeah I didn't overstate it here though.

These continued interactions are leading me to think this is mcat!scum infinity!town more and more

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: infinity

Scum wagon ahoy

Scum-led is more like it
Why does mcat’s traitor game matter for his play here? Unless he rolled traitor again I don’t think it’s entirely a fair comparison.

[Gamma Emerald]

All I'm saying about soul reads is I don't trust mine xD Honestly I'm getting TvT from MC v Inf. MC definitely passing the vibe check and making some good points, and honestly Infinity's responses strike me as townie...

I dislike early strong reads but eh, you lot can go at it hammer and tongues for a while and give nora an epicly beefy first game, amma vibe for a bit and see what bubbles down

I don’t fully agree with this read but it seems legit from you

[Toogeloo]

I can just see where Infinity was coming from with his post I quoted. That seems like a town observation to me.

You don't think it's easily fakeable?

I mean, sure, but do I? No.

I do suspect that MurderCat might be town as well though, so I'm looking elsewhere.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't like the top wagons.

We should just
VOTE: No Lim

instead.

Why does not liking the leading wagons = wanting to no elim? Is there no one you find scummier?

[Gamma Emerald]

Explain.

This is a Titus rule that states that in any list of 3 or more players provided by scum, at least 1 of those players will be scum.

Wdym Titus rule
You saw me use it before

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh, good catch Italiano. E-1 this early is a bit much.

I agree there is likely scum there, will take a look in a bit. Any thoughts on who looks like a culprit there?

Bad post
I’d expect Italiano to think scum would be on there. Not so much you.
VOTE: Aristophanes

I looked back as promised and the only vote that stood out was surfing pikachu's.
I'm also interested in why it is not something you'd think I would agree with but it is something Italiano would. That gets a :thonk: from me for now

Also uh..

I suppose Mara.

I don't kboe if you remember my old main but I am Ms. Marangal

Ooooo! Hi Mara!
Yes yes that is a better idea

Italiano is a newer player and I think you’d know it’s practically rng
Also your way of agreeing pings as scummy.

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh, good catch Italiano. E-1 this early is a bit much.

I agree there is likely scum there, will take a look in a bit. Any thoughts on who looks like a culprit there?

Gamma or Titus. Mayyyyybe statue

This is probably the worst of these posts yet
This is like quintessential rule of three I’d say

[Titus]

Oh, good catch Italiano. E-1 this early is a bit much.

I agree there is likely scum there, will take a look in a bit. Any thoughts on who looks like a culprit there?

Gamma or Titus. Mayyyyybe statue

This is probably the worst of these posts yet
This is like quintessential rule of three I’d say

So Johnny Statute then? I could see that.

[Titus]

VOTE: Johnny

[Infinity 324]

VOTE: johnny

[Momrangal]

VOTE: infinity

Scum wagon ahoy

Scum-led is more like it
Why does mcat’s traitor game matter for his play here? Unless he rolled traitor again I don’t think it’s entirely a fair comparison.

MC was still informed, and he was still mafia. He would still need to pretend to make up reads, and miseliminate town. I think if he randed scum here, it would be similar to how he played there

[MURDERCAT]

Flea the Magician: two people said Flea was definitely town? On the first day? Seriously?

Not definitely but I feel pretty good about it

[MURDERCAT]

VOTE: Johnny

VOTE: johnny

ew

[Momrangal]

I'm also honestly having a soul connection with MC which is weird

I thought you townread him so why is it weird?

It makes him more likely town. It means that he is going beyond surface level but I also feel like, if too many people are seeing the same thing (now that gamma has brought up the same post MC and I both disliked) it means that a bigger picture is being missed

[Toogeloo]

@mod: I'm going to limited activity for the rest of the night and all of tomorrow. I will be in the hospital undergoing extensive nerve testing. Don't fret, I'm not getting the impression anything is wrong.

[ItalianoVD]

I'm also honestly having a soul connection with MC which is weird

I thought you townread him so why is it weird?

It makes him more likely town. It means that he is going beyond surface level but I also feel like, if too many people are seeing the same thing (now that gamma has brought up the same post MC and I both disliked) it means that a bigger picture is being missed

Well I don’t know MURDERCAT scum, but it was kind of weird his laid back reaction to what he thought was E-2. Is MURDERCAT usually that calm in that situation?

And I think somebody said something like this. Who was it?

[Gamma Emerald]

I am looking forward to statue's reads. I find his current post underwhelming because it seeks to undermine townreads but doesn't really put forth scumreads.

Summary: Infinity isn't persuasive. Maybe there's scum on the murdercat wagon, maybe not. ITB is strange (note: no conclusion). People townread Flea too easily. No conclusion as to who is townreading Flea too easily. No conclusion as to whether that's townie or scummy. No conclusion as to Flea's alignment.

A lot of words, but it says nothing. I want to see more.

This post feels towny, also I think it's towny for titus to speculate the me/murder scum theater, she likes to sound more reasonable as scum. Not sure I agree with statue scum.

Ari feels towny to me so far, and italiano feels very newb towny. Johnny is scummy for popping in and saying nothing. Very slight townpings on gamma.

Decent post
I think I’m good with the reads Infinity, Titus, Italiano, Flea town; mcat, Johnny, statue scum
There’s other suspects but that’s what pops out as the most probable scum rn
VOTE: johnny

[ItalianoVD]

And I think somebody said something like this. Who was it?

Oh, it was Infinity.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm also honestly having a soul connection with MC which is weird

I thought you townread him so why is it weird?

It makes him more likely town. It means that he is going beyond surface level but I also feel like, if too many people are seeing the same thing (now that gamma has brought up the same post MC and I both disliked) it means that a bigger picture is being missed

Well I don’t know MURDERCAT scum, but it was kind of weird his laid back reaction to what he thought was E-2. Is MURDERCAT usually that calm in that situation?

And I think somebody said something like this. Who was it?

yup, murdercat - being a flareon - can take the heat and remain quite cool

[MURDERCAT]

Is MURDERCAT usually that calm in that situation?

I do sometimes have emotional reactions in games but not in a situation like that, no.

[ItalianoVD]

yup, murdercat - being a flareon - can take the heat and remain quite cool

yup, murdercat - being a flareon - can take the heat and remain quite cool

Good to know.

I get town: from Flea, Mom, Aristophanes

Scum vibes from: Statue

Null: Everyone else

Gamma didn’t clear me as town when we were scum buddies so not sure how that looks for others. Doesn’t automatically clear you buddy.

[In the beginning]

You don't want a dumb vote, don't make a dumb post.

This post strikes me as overly aggressive.

I was glad Italiano caught that error as E-1 seemed premature and a little close for comfort to me since lolhammers are always a possibility and early ones are hard to read.

Oh, so your comment was with regards to the VC. Okay, that makes a bit more sense. I don't agree with the paranoia about lolhammers; sure, they do happen, but like I said, they get scrutinized as well, so it's a very risky move for scum to make. If anything, I would imagine weaker scum teams are most likely to take advantage of them because it is like a free mislim in some ways, especially if they didn't think they would last long.

Bad post
I’d expect Italiano to think scum would be on there. Not so much you.

(In reference to 42 Huh? Why wouldn't you expect scum on the wagon? Or at least, why do you think it's an unreasonable take from Ari?

Seriously? Doesn't sound like something any scum would say.

Let's not deal in absolutes. Mafia isn't that kind of game. I think it makes perfect sense as scum; it's one of those "hindsight is 20/20" style comments, and those are more likely from scum who knows a player is/was town and thus purposely stayed off the wagon.

we were close to deadline

I'm pretty sure we had at least 5 days then, unless the desdline was a week. (Admittedly, I don't remember what the day deadline rules for that game were.)

Honestly, knowing we were still in RVS, I just skimmed the first 30 or whatever posts, and then picked someone to vote for a silly reason. I did see his name come up in a couple votes, but I thought he only had like 2 or 3 people voting for him. Anyway, it was just an RVS vote, so UNVOTE:

I don't like this; it seems a bit overly defensive.

Well... I have no idea. I think if scum *are* present they are either a) in the first three, since it's unlikely they planned to try to turbo someone on page 2, although other scum could've hopped on because B) they are (more likely) one of the people who put Murdercat to E-1, in hopes that a clueless townie might hammer him (yes... I realize this includes me.)

This is a whole bunch of words that would be elegantly summarized by your first sentence. I also don't buy that a townie would have no clue as to whether there is scum on the wagon. They could at least argue from a probabilistic standpoint even if they didn't scum read any of the individual votes.

But then surely my optimal play there is not you know... not mention it..?

Humans don't always make optimal decisions. They can and have many times made mistakes and errors, some big and some small.

Why does not liking the leading wagons = wanting to no elim? Is there no one you find scummier?

You didn't roll scum again, did you?

Italiano is a newer player and I think you’d know it’s practically rng

Except... it would be more unusual for there NOT to be one from basic probability theory...

[In the beginning]

It's Gamma, Statue, and either Flea or Titus.

[Noraa]

I've been taking notes for the past hour. No joke.