Mini Normal 2197: Noraaland ~Endgame~

[Gamma Emerald]

Alrighty then
Murdercat who do you think is the scum?

[Toogeloo]

I don't like how Johnny doesn't have any fight, and there's no defense of his slot. Like, it's too easily being pushed through.

[In the beginning]

Stop! Hammer time!

VOTE: Noraa

[MURDERCAT]

Alrighty then
Murdercat who do you think is the scum?

I'm voting Ari still

[MURDERCAT]

Beginning pls

[Momrangal]

Yeah, I hate the Ari wagon and infinity is squarely third in the wagon which is a comfy scum position

[Momrangal]

you transparently are less energetic than usual

I find this amusing considering I feel like MC has been aggressive with his pushes, proactive and way more energetic than in the one game I saw him in. This is also how I feel about you

[Momrangal]

Murder why aren't you trying to sort me

This is the towniest post you've done this day phase

[Infinity 324]

Yeah, I hate the Ari wagon and infinity is squarely third in the wagon which is a comfy scum position

I'm not on the ari wagon? Also, to clarify, you think I'm more proactive than usual?

[Momrangal]

Jonny wagon

[Momrangal]

And you are way less energetic than the last game I played with you

[Infinity 324]

Pokemon battles? Weird ok

[Momrangal]

And bears. Namely bears

[Infinity 324]

Yeah I do think I was more energetic than usual that game

[ItalianoVD]

I’m just commenting on the things that stood out to me in 218. If I don’t point it out then it wasn’t that bad.

@INB: Okay, if you want an analysis of the MC wagon, there's, like a 90% chance or whatever of scum being on the wagon. Except that's assuming it's random, when it probably isn't. Frankly, it's almost exactly as helpful to say that "there is definitely scum

off

the wagon," so I don't see any special reason to focus on people on the wagon vs people off the wagon, or to use it as a reason to SR anyone.

True, but you can’t just rule it out because it’s information.

Titus:

Titus' posts, by and large, don't seem very substantive to me. There's a weak (her word, not mine) read on Murdercat, a naked vote on Infinity that's basically a sheep of Mara, and then a jump onto Johnny (which is very understandable, and which I'm going to be doing at the end of this post, but could also be an easy miselim for scum to push). She does correctly point out why my second post was terrible, but that's it. Scumlean.

Titus was actually the first non-RVS vote onto Johnny, so not a Mara sheep (who I’m guessing in Mom??) The strange thing about this is that you listed voting for Johnny on the list of things you scumlean Titus for, but admit you’ll be voting for him and also that he’s possibly an easy miselim for scum to push. So then why didn’t you vote for Titus?

Jackson Virgo:

No read, because they've had barely any activity up until now and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

Why would you need to give them the benefit of the doubt if you have no read on them, they barely had any activity, and according to you they haven’t done anything scummy?

[ItalianoVD]

I wanna TR the effort from a new player, I don't agree that what you pointed out are scumtells for a new player

Nah, I’m not telling this. Personally I’m not putting anything past anyone anymore, lol.

[ItalianoVD]

Let's not deal in absolutes. Mafia isn't that kind of game. I think it makes perfect sense as scum; it's one of those "hindsight is 20/20" style comments, and those are more likely from scum who knows a player is/was town and thus purposely stayed off the wagon.

Not dealing in absolutes, but am dealing it’s what’s most likely and this...

...and I definitely agree with ITB that scum would be glad to not be a townie's turbowagon.

Yeah scum most likely don’t want to be on the wagon, but they’re not gonna SAY it, they’re just gonna NOT be on it. Him bringing attention to it is a looseness I see coming from town. I’m not just disregarding it being openwolfing, but I also wanna give players respect and not think they’d be that reckless.

[ItalianoVD]

I wanna TR the effort from a new player, I don't agree that what you pointed out are scumtells for a new player

Nah, I’m not telling this. Personally I’m not putting anything past anyone anymore, lol.

crap! *feeling, not telling.

[ItalianoVD]

Is this a general rejection of the wagon or of the sequential votes.

The wagon and I think the votes are weak

Why don’t you join us on Statue?

[MURDERCAT]

Why don’t you join us on Statue?

Statue seems fine to me too so far tbh

[StatueSurfer]

Do you lim all bad players stats?

Only when they're scummy.

Also this is basically a "why me" post lol

Statue: It may just be gut, but I’m still feeling scum!statue here. 218 feels weird. It’s not all bad, but it just feels weird. I’ll get into later. Also @statue, have you ever played with MURDER before?

No, my only other game on the site is Newbie 2050, which he was not in. Why do you ask?

In The Beginning: That vote to, quite deliberately, put MC at E-1 was scummy af. The no-elimination vote is super weird, but doesn't make any sense for scum to do, and I don't he's done anything scummy since. Probably town.

Scummy as fuck, does things that don't make sense, and then done nothing scummy for a while = probably town?

---

I feel like Johnny is just rolling over, which seems like something town do more often than scum.

I probably didn't put it as well as I could have, but, basically, I can't think of any motivation for scum to push for a no-elim there (barring, like, ITB/Infinity/MC being the scumteam since the latter two were the top wagons at the time; if you think of another one, please share it), and I think he's been making effort since.

I don't view rolling over as town-indicative at all... IMO it's NAI at best, and personally I think it's slightly scummy.

I’m just commenting on the things that stood out to me in 218. If I don’t point it out then it wasn’t that bad.

@INB: Okay, if you want an analysis of the MC wagon, there's, like a 90% chance or whatever of scum being on the wagon. Except that's assuming it's random, when it probably isn't. Frankly, it's almost exactly as helpful to say that "there is definitely scum

off

the wagon," so I don't see any special reason to focus on people on the wagon vs people off the wagon, or to use it as a reason to SR anyone.

True, but you can’t just rule it out because it’s information.

I stand by my statement that it's a poor basis to scumread anyone, since about half the players were on and about half were off. Also, I already said that if scum were deliberately trying to get him lolhammered, they would come on late, and the two latest people are me (who I know isn't scum) and ITB (who I townlean), so that pretty much kills the theory for me.

Titus:

Titus' posts, by and large, don't seem very substantive to me. There's a weak (her word, not mine) read on Murdercat, a naked vote on Infinity that's basically a sheep of Mara, and then a jump onto Johnny (which is very understandable, and which I'm going to be doing at the end of this post, but could also be an easy miselim for scum to push). She does correctly point out why my second post was terrible, but that's it. Scumlean.

Titus was actually the first non-RVS vote onto Johnny, so not a Mara sheep (who I’m guessing in Mom??) The strange thing about this is that you listed voting for Johnny on the list of things you scumlean Titus for, but admit you’ll be voting for him and also that he’s possibly an easy miselim for scum to push. So then why didn’t you vote for Titus?

I said Titus was sheeping Mara (yes, Momrangal) when she voted for

Infinity

, not for Johnny. And while everything I said is true, it doesn't change the fact that Johnny is really scummy, and I think he's scummier than Titus right now.

Jackson Virgo:

No read, because they've had barely any activity up until now and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

Why would you need to give them the benefit of the doubt if you have no read on them, they barely had any activity, and according to you they haven’t done anything scummy?

Because I don't like inactive players, and I SRed Ari, Titus, and Johnny partially for activity, so I thought I should make clear I was being charitable to let him get more activity in before reading.

...and I definitely agree with ITB that scum would be glad to not be a townie's turbowagon.

Yeah scum most likely don’t want to be on the wagon, but they’re not gonna SAY it, they’re just gonna NOT be on it. Him bringing attention to it is a looseness I see coming from town. I’m not just disregarding it being openwolfing, but I also wanna give players respect and not think they’d be that reckless.

[/quote]

I've seen people joke about being scum,

and then actually turn out to be scum,

so much like you, I'm not putting anything past anyone.

And it can't be that stupid if it works, right?

Also ONLY A SITH DEALS IN ABSOLUTES

The observation that effort =/= towniness is a good one, so now I'm ever-so-slightly paranoid that Infinity might be trying to pocket me.

Toog's questioning, which is good, although I think he's off-base on the Johnny wagon.

Jackson seems just okay... I'll call that null.

[Titus]

At the end of page 9, add Flea to my TRs, Italiano to my townleans, and statute to a strong scumlean.

[JacksonVirgo]

more good posting by jacko

You're making me blush

[JacksonVirgo]

Is agreeing scummy for Aristophanes? I’ve never played them.

It just reads as fake to me. Why wouldn't Ari look and decide who is scummy? I feel like those sorts of questions come from scum more often than not.
Also "good catch" reads as kinda fake when it comes directly after a VC lol

I'll have to look back and find what post you're talking about to fully understand, I forget

[Titus]

My reads stay the same. I am caught up.