Open 806: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[Bridgeburners]

Maybe I’m turning over a new leaf where I patronise people who are incapable of reading me or unwilling to do so instead of screaming

We think the wagon on us is scummotivated but we’re not sure of scum are supporting or leading on it. I’ve also said literally ok Themis page that infinity is probably town as much as I dislike his approach here

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Have you considered the fact that your main scumread being based on “vague pings” might be a pretty shitty way to approach the game?

I don't want to argue mafia theory but I don't think most scumtells are very useful

“I don’t want to argue mafia theory” he said, arguing mafia theory

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

I was hoping to find some of that unfabricated frustration that I feel is missing from your gameplay this game.

I don’t think u get to complain about me being toxic in games any more if you’re actively trying to provoke me in order to sort me

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Which is also kind of fucked, I might add, but I’m not really sure how else to interpret that sentence

-QB

[PenguinPower]

Maybe I’m turning over a new leaf where I patronise people who are incapable of reading me or unwilling to do so instead of screaming

Hi! I hit that stage around year 2.

[Bridgeburners]

Like in the light of you scumreading us for objectively bad reasons ever since early D1 and then broadly refusing to engage on them (I think skitt said there was some explanation today but I missed it and haven’t gone back through yet)

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

Maybe I’m turning over a new leaf where I patronise people who are incapable of reading me or unwilling to do so instead of screaming

Hi! I hit that stage around year 2.

I seek only to follow in your footsteps, senpai

-QB

[Infinity 324]

I was hoping to find some of that unfabricated frustration that I feel is missing from your gameplay this game.

I don’t think u get to complain about me being toxic in games any more if you’re actively trying to provoke me in order to sort me

-QB

This is where I'd go "what an awful misrep look how scummy mena is" if I believed in that kinda shit

[Infinity 324]

(she's trying to draw out frustration that already exists not provoke you)

[Bridgeburners]

If she knows that my frustration is from being wrongly read as scum when town, and has been reading my slot as scum since early D1 when not many other people were

How is that not trying to provoke frustration instead of just “draw it out”

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

That’s p much the *explicit* reason why I mentioned the importance of context

-QB

[Isis]

Maybe I’m turning over a new leaf where I patronise people who are incapable of reading me or unwilling to do so instead of screaming

We think the wagon on us is scummotivated but we’re not sure of scum are supporting or leading on it. I’ve also said literally ok Themis page that infinity is probably town as much as I dislike his approach here

-QB

ok, i hope you'll be understanding when i have to apply occam's razor here, since you'll only have turning point meta shifts in a fifth of your games or so

I was hoping to find some of that unfabricated frustration that I feel is missing from your gameplay this game.

I don’t think u get to complain about me being toxic in games any more if you’re actively trying to provoke me in order to sort me

-QB

I was asking about frustration you might already be feeling, but hadn't commented on. E.g., /*Isis, Infinity, and S_S are all playing wrong, but they are not observing the faults in eachother's behavior either which means we can lose this game even if we have good reads*/ being in your hydra PT but not brought out to the thread yet for me to follow your thoughts. I'm not sure how you're reaching this interpretation where I'm trying to provoke you.

[PenguinPower]

So curious as to why this didn’t happen earlier....isis....

[Isis]

As an example, you were very frustrated with my play day 1-3 of Alisae v Pine but you weren't toxic about it during those phases (maybe the whole game, can't recall for sure). I think that's fine mafia.

[Isis]

So curious as to why this didn’t happen earlier....isis....

what are you asking?

[Infinity 324]

If she knows that my frustration is from being wrongly read as scum when town, and has been reading my slot as scum since early D1 when not many other people were

How is that not trying to provoke frustration instead of just “draw it out”

-QB

? I was talking specifically about 3061

[PenguinPower]

So curious as to why this didn’t happen earlier....isis....

what are you asking?

Mainly why the game state was comfortable with an implosion wagon to the point of most people not saying much of anything and then once it became likely for the elimination to be pushed through there is this rush to a new wagon with a lot of discussion about why this should be the wagon and prior desire for it.

Paragraphs upon paragraphs.

Seems like that could have been done previously and the timing is weird....no?

[Isis]

I did see Prism pretend to scumread someone he didn't actually scumread to provoke an emotional reaction and then sort that response, once. I don't ever play mafia that way. I don't think it's the best way to win, at least for me.

[PenguinPower]

I’ll read responses in the morning. Bedtime.

Gnight.

[Isis]

So curious as to why this didn’t happen earlier....isis....

what are you asking?

Mainly why the game state was comfortable with an implosion wagon to the point of most people not saying much of anything and then once it became likely for the elimination to be pushed through there is this rush to a new wagon with a lot of discussion about why this should be the wagon and prior desire for it.

Paragraphs upon paragraphs.

Seems like that could have been done previously and the timing is weird....no?

Infinity's support is important to me. I'm not actually confident enough that I would dayvig skiddeR through the objectives of Infinity and a couple other townreads, even if immediately after some BB posts I might feel that way. So I guess maybe you'd have to ask Infinity why his vote moved.

[Bridgeburners]

Maybe I’m turning over a new leaf where I patronise people who are incapable of reading me or unwilling to do so instead of screaming

We think the wagon on us is scummotivated but we’re not sure of scum are supporting or leading on it. I’ve also said literally ok Themis page that infinity is probably town as much as I dislike his approach here

-QB

1 ok, i hope you'll be understanding when i have to apply occam's razor here, since you'll only have turning point meta shifts in a fifth of your games or so

I was hoping to find some of that unfabricated frustration that I feel is missing from your gameplay this game.

I don’t think u get to complain about me being toxic in games any more if you’re actively trying to provoke me in order to sort me

-QB

2 I was asking about frustration you might already be feeling, but hadn't commented on. E.g., /*Isis, Infinity, and S_S are all playing wrong, 3 but they are not observing the faults in eachother's behavior either which means we can lose this game even if we have good reads*/ 4 being in your hydra PT but not brought out to the thread yet for me to follow your thoughts. I'm 5 not sure how you're reaching this interpretation where I'm trying to provoke you.

(1) i mean I’m pretty sure there’s a decent subsection of games where I don’t get yell-y about being wrongly scumread while town so your whole occam’s thing is based on p selective meta

(2) okay, i guess that makes more sense

(3) it’s hard to say observing the faults in each other’s behaviour when none of you have reasons in the first place

(4) part of why I’m more chill here than sometimes is bc I’ve just been disengaged due to irl, but also bc I’ve been able to vent about the things annoying me in main thread to skitt in PT

(5) I don’t know how to help you with this other than saying you were looking for frustration in my play coupled with the way you’ve approached our slot all game lends itself to that interpretation. I now see the other way of looking at it tho, so thanks for explaining i guess

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

If she knows that my frustration is from being wrongly read as scum when town, and has been reading my slot as scum since early D1 when not many other people were

How is that not trying to provoke frustration instead of just “draw it out”

-QB

? I was talking specifically about 3061

Yes I realise this now, I thought her comment about looking for frustration was meant in a more general sense than in “that’s what I was looking for specifically with post 3061”

-QB

[Bridgeburners]

So I guess maybe you'd have to ask Infinity why his vote moved.

To which the answer was “vague gutpings and isis can explain it better than I ever could”

r u beginning to see the problem here?

-QB

[Something_Smart]

Isn’t it fun how isis, infinity, and S_S all evaporate when asked to substantiate their views

Ah yeah, I forgot about the rule that if you don't explain something after 12 hours, you don't have to explain it at all.

[Isis]

yeah, the best reason to vote you happened mid/early day 1.

The timing of Infinity's shift kind of makes no sense at all.

I just townread him anyway.